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Alaskan rifle

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I have a 5r in .308 that I absolutely love. However, my brother lives in Alaska and it looks like I may be able to go up there every year and go hunting with him. I went this year and just seemed a little undergunned with a .308. What is a good suggestion on balance between accuracy, handling, and durablity. Right now my 5r wears a McMillan and I love it but it weighs 14 lbs with optics and can get heavy if you carry it a long time. Give me some advice on caliber and setup.
 
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I would look at something in .338 Lapua. Lots of power, great round, and it will deal with just about anything you come across in Alaska. I'd look at some Remington 700's in the caliber if I were you.
 
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Where in Alaskawill you be hunting and what for? If it's moose then the .375 h&h from Ruger (Alaskan Guide model) will satisfy both moose and brown/grizzly. It has a 20" barrel that's great for going through alders. The alders are usually so thick that a mile hike around 500ft of alder is preferable. If you want a sort of do it all gun then nab the .300 WSM from the Kimber Montana series of rifles. Throw 180gr pills and you'll do good. By the way your .308 is damn near perfect alround Alaskan cartridge. I've taken moose and caribou with mine, no sheep or grizzles yet though. Then again I'll use my .375 for bear. Another good caliber in a light platform is the .338 Federal. A lot of people around where I live say it feels like it was designed for Alaskan hunting.

By the way there is no .338 Lapua ammunition at all in Alaska so if you go that route then you have to handload.
 
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If I were to try the brush gun thing....I would find a lever action 30-06 and have it rebarreled to 338 Scovill.....not a very popular round and haven't ever found why, but in the Barnes Reloading book they claim that a 338-06 can be reamed to the Scovill and gain significant velocity....that or the 375 Scovill.

All in all when that uber-huge grizzly was taken 5-6 years ago...the guy who finally killed it was a deer hunter with a 7mmRM...took a few shots but the bear also had an ungodly amount of other bullets in it from before it was finally put down. If you know the area is really thick brush and bear-tastic....why not a 870 12ga with HP slugs in "steal things" mode across your back all day and a mid-range hunting rifle capable of killing moose/deer/elk? I have read a great book about a moose hunter who loved the 257 Robberts and turned the 120gr into HP's back in the days before good expanding bullets.


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Nope....he would probably claim Aclkey Bob!!!


He really liked the 257 Roberts AI.....not sure which was the favorite.....google Ass-hat and I am sure we could find the Forum he is on now!!!
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How about a 450 marlin in their 1895 guide gun. You can get them in stainless. They are short, handy and light and carry a very big whomp. Also won't set you back a whole lot and you can find ammo for it. If you wanted to go really big, there is a guy who makes a break down 50 on a marlin guide gun. Or at least the last time I was there he did. Can't remember his name but they looked pretty impressive. I think he called it something like the 50 Alaskan guide gun. Found it and it is Wild West Guns in Alaska. http://www.wildwestguns.com/ammunition.html
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Aggie Shooter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have a 5r in .308 that I absolutely love. However, my brother lives in Alaska and it looks like I may be able to go up there every year and go hunting with him. I went this year and just seemed a little undergunned with a .308. What is a good suggestion on balance between accuracy, handling, and durablity. Right now my 5r wears a McMillan and I love it but it weighs 14 lbs with optics and can get heavy if you carry it a long time. Give me some advice on caliber and setup. </div></div>

Not sure why you felt under gunned with a 308 but I can understand the heavy weight. I once hunted this state with Roy's ultra high velocity magnums with the 338.378 my preferred meat gatherer but the weight, ammo cost and finding it ammo anywhere and I do not need all that gun for Alaska. Every year moose and brown boo boo's are killed with 243Win.

The Tikka T3 Lite is a good start. They can be found chambered in 338Win but if me I would use 7mm-08 or 308 and if you feel you need it, 300WSM. They now come with 1moa guarantee, have a fairly good trigger, of course light, SS with synth stock and hover just over $600.

The Savage Alaskan 338Win is another good rifle to look at.

If you have the coin, the HS Pro Light Hunter is one trick stick for hunting in Alaska. Rem Model 7 mountain Ti in a short action another good rifle. I find the M77 way too heavy for given caliber and price compared to everyone else's rifle.

I would not trade with WWG but its your money, I have seen a couple of their rifles not all that impressed with the work for the price. Besides, Marlin makes a copy, the 1895SBL for half the cost.

I use a Leupold FXII 3 power on top of my Weatherby since 1978 and I find it perfect for hunting in Alaska on the Kenai swamp donkey muskeg to the open interior tundra.

Good luck

One more thing to ad. The argument here is control round feed Vs. push feed. I have crawled up and through alders loaded with Devils club and actually pushed my push feed along the ground through alders and it never opened or failed to fire.
 
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I have an aquaintance in alaska that uses a Howa 7wsm with an mpi stock. It weighs 6.5lbs and was about $1100 with the stock. 22" barrel. He handloads 140gr bullets at obscene speeds. I saw him shoot a 3 shot cloverleaf at 200yds. 140gr at 3200+ will cure anything that ails you.
 
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300, 338 Win Mags are good all around rifles. You dont need a Lapua up here, I know I hunt with one. You will be hunting in the brush and walking a lot, so go with 300, 338, 375. Most people dont want to walk after critters so the 338 is nice as it ploops there ass on the ground. Get a good bullet, Barnes, TBBC, A Frames. You will not be shooting a long way up here so no need for a 1000 yard gun. If your in a any moose area then its ok, but you need to judge if its over 50 in and how many browtines. So keep it close.
 
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Your caliber of choice is really dependent on what and where you are hunting. About the only critter up here that can warrant a "specific" caliber would be big coastal bears. Other than that, 270's, 7mm's, 30-06, 300wm, and the like are really good universal rounds up here. Plus they have very good ammo availability if you have that issue. I use a 7mm Remmag almost exclusively. It's basically just a souped up 30-06. Keep it simple and don't try and over think it and keep to the calibers you can learn to shoot well. Also, remember that unless your on the slope or coast hunting bou, there are going to be very few prone shooting opportunities. Most of the critters that get lost up here aren't lost because of the caliber that was chosen. They were lost because of bullet placement. Again get something you can shoot well offhand and from improvised field positions. Just my .02
 
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Marlin 1895 "Guide Gun". From Brockmans. Vince Lupo took everything from elephants to hippo to rhino with a 45-70.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ykrvak</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Most of the critters that get lost up here aren't lost because of the caliber that was chosen. They were lost because of bullet placement. Again get something you can shoot well offhand and from improvised field positions. Just my .02 </div></div>

The story goes, I hit em with 375 and he kept walkin, next year I am going with a 416. Go work the State sighting in day at Rabbit Creek and you will know what that statement means.

Rod Perry acquired most of the state stats on hunting and the 06 with 220gr Fed Classic ammo is the most used caliber and ammo in this state for all big game animals.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: diggler44</div><div class="ubbcode-body">what is your budget? very much price dependant</div></div>

Dont want to overspend but I believe in buy once cry once.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ArcticFun</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Where in Alaskawill you be hunting and what for? If it's moose then the .375 h&h from Ruger (Alaskan Guide model) will satisfy both moose and brown/grizzly. It has a 20" barrel that's great for going through alders. The alders are usually so thick that a mile hike around 500ft of alder is preferable. If you want a sort of do it all gun then nab the .300 WSM from the Kimber Montana series of rifles. Throw 180gr pills and you'll do good. By the way your .308 is damn near perfect alround Alaskan cartridge. I've taken moose and caribou with mine, no sheep or grizzles yet though. Then again I'll use my .375 for bear. Another good caliber in a light platform is the .338 Federal. A lot of people around where I live say it feels like it was designed for Alaskan hunting.

By the way there is no .338 Lapua ammunition at all in Alaska so if you go that route then you have to handload. </div></div>

Last year we hunted around Delta Junction. Next year we are going with a friend of his in Unit 13 I think? I want one rifle to use for all game. Flying from Houston to Anchorage I only get one rifle. The people I hunted with last year said I needed to try to stay under 200 yards with my .308 due to running out of energy.

I know what you mean about judging the antlers!
 
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Id prefer to have a semi auto M1A in 7.62. Id get to socom model wiht the 18 barrel and top it with an aimpoint. and id carry plenty of extra mags with me.


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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Alaskaman 11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">300, 338 Win Mags are good all around rifles. You dont need a Lapua up here, I know I hunt with one. You will be hunting in the brush and walking a lot, so go with 300, 338, 375. Most people dont want to walk after critters so the 338 is nice as it ploops there ass on the ground. Get a good bullet, Barnes, TBBC, A Frames. You will not be shooting a long way up here so no need for a 1000 yard gun. If your in a any moose area then its ok, but you need to judge if its over 50 in and how many browtines. So keep it close.</div></div>

The moose my brother took was about 250 yds and it took 2 shots from his 300 RUM to make it fall to its knees. I am used to 100 whitetails and those damn moose are like cows to me. Sure taste good though.

Can understand the tracking thing though. Those alder things are ruthless.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ykrvak</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Your caliber of choice is really dependent on what and where you are hunting. About the only critter up here that can warrant a "specific" caliber would be big coastal bears. Other than that, 270's, 7mm's, 30-06, 300wm, and the like are really good universal rounds up here. Plus they have very good ammo availability if you have that issue. I use a 7mm Remmag almost exclusively. It's basically just a souped up 30-06. Keep it simple and don't try and over think it and keep to the calibers you can learn to shoot well. Also, remember that unless your on the slope or coast hunting bou, there are going to be very few prone shooting opportunities. Most of the critters that get lost up here aren't lost because of the caliber that was chosen. They were lost because of bullet placement. Again get something you can shoot well offhand and from improvised field positions. Just my .02 </div></div>

That is the biggest thing I told my brother. His moose he took, the first time he missed it from 100 yds. He just bought his sendero in 300 RUM and it will shoot under 1 MOA from the bench but he never practiced off hand. The second tome he saw it he borrowed some shooting sticks and he hit it. Told him he better practice before next year.
 
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338 hands down. ss 700. 2.5x8 leupold. barnes 210tsx's....

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Stainless, synthetic, CRF, 338win was my choice with a mild scope (2.5 x something).
 
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I think I would listen to the people up here, I'm hearing alot of stuff that does not make much sense. I wonder how many people here who have ever seen a 60 in bull.
 
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I took a 55" bull at 70 yards with a 9,3x62. Up the Steese. Would use that caliber again too.
 
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Your lucky then. Up by Delta there is almost no brush compared to the areas I've hunted, which is just south of Delta over by Talkeetna, Mat-su and the various rivers in the Mat-su. My girlfriends step-dad pulled a bull out of there last year that was the minimum size while counting brow tines, he had 3 on each side. He used a bone stock Savage .300WM and the cheap little Simmons scope it came with. For the variety or terrain in unit 13 and Delta though I'd recommend the Leupold 3-10 Vari X-III (pretty sure that's what is, I have the box sitting around somewhere) and whatever rifle you get go with stainless/synthetic. I have a Kimber Caprivi in .375 H&H that knocks moose fla on their ass but I damn near cry everytime I take it out, it's too pretty. Most people in Alaska use .30-06, .300WM and .338WM. If for some reason that's not enough and you don't want to use the slower, larger caliber guns then the .300 Weatherby and .340 Weatherby are excellent choices. If you feel like just biting the bullet now (no pun intended) then get a bull pup rifle, the only one that comes to mind is the Desert Tactical SRS. With a 22" the overall length is just 31.5 inches, perfect for Alaska. The .300WM Barrel for it is 36 inches I think.
 
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338 win mag would be my choice for a do everything. 375 H&H if you want some more horsepower.

I know a lot of guys that use 300 win mags but I think the 338 is a better choice for a hard hitter.

One thing that helped me make my decision was when we took in about 20 guns from the forest service for minor repairs.

They were all chopped 18-20 inch barrels. Most were 338's with a couple 375's thrown in.(Couple pre 64's even)


I was born and raised in southeast. Worked in a gun store for the last 2-3 years before I came down here and have been shooting my whole life.
 
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I would have a 338 lapua even if youhave to load your own shooting 300 pills. this would do it all plenty big and also capable of shooting 1000 yds if needed.
I think its the all in one gun.
Bill
 
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As several have pointed out shot placement is the key by the guys that live up there.
Ken Corcoran is a outstanding gunsmith up that way (Fairbanks) and he told me that the 300 Win Mag was THE No 1 favorite up there.
Others pointed out ammo availability is also critical. I couldn't agree more.

The guys up there will also tell you that you cannot get a rifle out of a box and head out in cold weather unless you have the right set up. The factory grease will freeze up in the winter time and that includes about all of the commercial gun oil. I suspect the guys up there are all using LAW on their weapons.

If I didn't have LAW it would be Ed's Red and nothing else. Yes there is one well known brand that advertises or used to that said it is good to -60F. I have personally tested it at -60,-45,-30 and no ignition. -15 would be about it.

A sluggish striker movement is guaranteed to give you a click and that is when you become their meal because you are hunting with a stick. Oil thickening inside the bolt will do it as well.

Whatever you get I would waterproof the ammo best I could. Commerical hunting ammo does not have waterproof primers and ammo + water = OS.

Assuming you get a rifle that is not some off the wall oddball I would get hold of Wolfe Springs and get a higher energy striker spring and install it. Rationale is the industry has reduced their firing pin energy recommendations from .020” striker indent on copper to .016”. The military requirement is .020” min and more on M16 variants. This is for striker ignition reliability in ALL conditions.

You can waterproof your ammo by taking clear nail polish and painting the heads of your ammo and then dragging the head of the case across a newspaper which will remove the lacquer from the case head but leave it in place around the primer. Look at ammo to make sure there is lacquer 360 deg around the crevice between primer and case head. It rains up there and a fall in a stream could make all your ammo into divers weights.

One writer pointed out the 30.06. I can agree with this as I once had a opportunity to do a ammo test on a dead horse who was only expired a few hours. I shot him in the chest with a round of 30.06 AP (from 30 yards) and the round went clean through him, out his ass and went 75 yards and kicked dirt five feet in the air. That is about six feet of meat and there is not much walking around in the Americas that has over six feet cross section.

For those that are not familiar with the work of the Army Wound Ballistic Lab, they found during high speed photography through gelatin that military ammo tumbles internally and exits the body point towards the shooter. Thusly a 30.06 goes from a .308 bullet to .100" plus bullet when it turns sideways which is about six inches in. Hunting bullets (expanding types) start to mushroom immediately and won't attain .100"+ diameter. Thusly if I had a 30.06 I would have a handful of 30.06 AP as backup or 30.06 LC Match and then M2 ball.

Safety is to be considered. I would personally only consider a action with a P O S I T I V E type safety that is not subject to going off from being dropped, banged etc. There are only four actions that are chambered in the right calibers that come to mind that will not go off when dropped with safety on. The 1903 Springfield, the Model 70 Winchester and the Ruger 77 MK II and the 98 Mauser.
All three of these designs physically lock the striker to the rear. In bad country where your life may well depend on what you or your buddies are carrying you don't want anything less.

You also want a safety that can be operated with a gloved hand.

I have seen far too many problems with rifles that have systems that do not physically lock the striker from being seared off when bolt is slammed home (read OS I missed, I need to shoot again and five seconds ago)


The 98 Mauser is basically out because most of the variations of it are limited to rounds that are shorter than 8MM unless you get a Mod 98/34 in 30.06.

All four of these have trigger groups that are basically very simple, very rugged and very reliable.

The new extra energy striker spring is also a must even in these.

Stock design is to be considered as well. That removes most of the plastic stocks unless they have aluminum liners with sling swivels you know are not going to let go at wrong time. To eliminate all potential problems I would go with a McMillan stock. I have several of them and they are the best in my opinion.

One piece wood stocks are a little better than the black plastic poly ones but before I carried one in that country I would have a 3/8" steel rod (slotted on one end for screwdriver to move it) epoxied from the action well down through the pistol grip as this is the weak spot in bolt guns. After the hole is drilled mix Devcon 2 Ton epoxy with acetone and thin it down to about the consistancy of water. Pour action hole about 1/3rd full and ease bolt (all thread works for this as well) down in. If you don't get epoxy out the top of the hole pour mixture in top of hole. The thinned epoxy will seap into the now exposed end grain of the wood, the acetone will evaporate and you have a pistol grip you will never have to worry about.
If not that I would only have a laminated stock. But McMillan is it insofar as I am concerned.
Next comes sling swivels. There are only two types of swivels you can count on. Military sling swivels for 1903,M1917 etc and if not them I would only have MILSPEC swivels by Uncle Mike that are forged.
For a sling I would use the M16 silent sling for several reasons. It is quiet, it is hell for strong, won't deteriorate when wet and is rough weave so it won't slide around. The sling can be quickly removed for stopping blood loss etc.

Personally I would rebarrel whatever I got with a medium weight stainless varmint barrel. On such a rifle I would want a SAAMI spec chamber. Now is not the time for tight match chambers as the ammo you pick up in a hurry may well have crud on it and if you need it in a hurry muddy ammo will bind and you are back to the stick in hand for imminent social event that is sure to go South.

On my barrel it would be dual cut as a follows. I would have it turned cylinder 1.150" for about ten inches in front of action. The turn a radiused step down to .840 for the last 12" to 14". The last two inches of barrel would be .750" diameter. You can get very rugged chair leg caps from Lowes, (black or white) that make very durable muzzle cover/protectors. Pack of four is like a buck and rifle will take a hard ram into dirt, etc and remain in tact. I would also have a 11 degree target crown.

The most rugged scope mount system which also happens to be the least expensive is a Weaver #92A base (fits a Thompson Contender Super 14 barrel). Mount this on the .840 section and go with a good quality scout scope (IER). I have a Leupold Scout, a Burris Scout and have also used LER pistol scopes both B&L and NC Star.

On top of this would be a Rock River Arms Flat Top Riser Base. It mounts on Weaver Mount, has a 3/8" hole through base and Weaver mount on top for scope rings. The 3/8" hole provides a very fast sighting system for close in shots as if you can see the target through this hole, pull the trigger and you should be on the money. See pics http://www.aimtech-mounts.com/Rifle%20Mounts.htm
I am not sure if Aimtech makes the RRA base for them or not but is on same principle.
I have several of these Aimtech bases and they are the best I have seen for fast first shots at close range.

Some may wonder why this combo for close heavy brush range. Take your present rifle and try to load it with gloved hands and time how long it takes you to get rounds under the scope and into the mag.
My first choice would be a 1903 action followed by a 98/34 as both can be reloaded in a just a few seconds with five round stripper clips that holds five rounds and you can open the bidding with six rounds on each. The Mod 70 if found in a pre war action has clip slot reload capability. I am not sure if a clip slot could be milled in a Ruger 77MKII.
I would also mount iron sights on it which can be left on while using the scope, thus if you damage scope you can pull it off and go with irons. You can also carry a pre zeroed light weight red dot scope for fast change out. Carry extra batts and keep them warm.

Whatever your final choice is, it needs to be tested well. Not only for pinpoint accuracy but how accurate you are in a short period of time otherwise known as Crisis Management ROE with all shots being taken in under 1.5 seconds(first shot off) and all rounds fed from magazine.

http://www.frfrogspad.com/courses.htm

Check out the above http for courses to test your skills which are simple. If you can do well on these courses you will do well under pressure.

There are several speed timers you can use. Mine is a R U Ready and works slick but there are other good ones as well.
 
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A 308 is perfectly acceptable for hunting all game in Alaska, provided you use a good quality bullet in the proper weight category for the game you are hunting. Go ahead and get all hot and bothered, but I'll simply refer to you to this website: http://www.wildlife.alaska.gov/index.cfm?adfg=hunting.firearms
I think they know a thing or two about this subject.

Even for Brown bear, they indicate a 30-06 with a good 200gr bullet is perfectly acceptable. A 308 is about the same as a 30-06 out to 200... If you aren't hunting grizzly or brown bear, then there is really no debate, 308 is more than enough.
 
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Also you can find 30.06 when you can't find anything else. I had South Africans tell me they could get it in SA, Rhodesia etc. The ammo guys from Federal told me the No 1 round they loaded was 22 LR. For centerfire they loaded more 30.06 than all other calibers combined.
Yep the 308 will do it too.
I remember reading a fascinating story in a WW2 period National Geographic about a family that traveled in Alaska with kids. If I remember correctly ammo was so hard to get that this indian carried a pack 200 miles on his back for two boxes of 30-30 ammo.
Anybody got any National Geographics from that time? Check those figures.
 
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300 WSM is a Sako A7 shooting 200 NP's for all around.

220 NP's in bear country, these will penetrate as well as 375 H&H 260's or 338 250's
 
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Get the book wolfman of alsaska (might be alaskas wolfman), about frank glaser! talks about going nose to nose with grizzlies armed with a 220 swift, and he won.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Scooter-PIE</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A 308 is perfectly acceptable for hunting all game in Alaska, provided you use a good quality bullet in the proper weight category for the game you are hunting. Go ahead and get all hot and bothered, but I'll simply refer to you to this website: http://www.wildlife.alaska.gov/index.cfm?adfg=hunting.firearms
I think they know a thing or two about this subject.

Even for Brown bear, they indicate a 30-06 with a good 200gr bullet is perfectly acceptable. A 308 is about the same as a 30-06 out to 200... If you aren't hunting grizzly or brown bear, then there is really no debate, 308 is more than enough.
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Ok, have you ever seen a Brown Bear in real life, You hit them in the lungs, he only runs 30 40 yards, well that 40 yards is into the nastiest alder patch thats covered with Devils club. Well you better have a M203 attached to the bottom of your 3006. Talk to any guide up here, they all say the same thing. 300, 338, 375 for most all game, in bear country, 338, 375, or bigger. Yes, you can kill a Brown Bear with a 3006 but do want to. If you want to come here, use the right tools please, 7MM at least go bigger please.
 
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Wild West Guns 457 Alaskan! </div></div>

Jim makes a good stick, but his talent has opened up his own shop here in town.
 
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My ignorante thoughts on alaskan gun...
I have a marlin 45-70 guide gun with loads made for it. It has punch to it. It is not a hunting rifle, it is a guide gun. Still fairly accurate out to 300 yards as I have tested it.
Saying that, I would love to take it moose hunting. For a alaskan gun. Make it light and easy to carry. You may have to carry it a long ways depending on were you hunt. I would love a 300WM in the remington 700 alaskan.
 
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I have shot several of all animals in AK. I say a 338 win mag, stainless, synthetic stock, quality glass. Available ammo for big bears,moose and light ammo for caribou, wolf, deer, black bear etc. Ammo can be difficult to find in AK but you can always find some kind of 338 win mag, even in the villages. This is important because there is always a chance the airline sends your luggage the wrong way. Push feed or controlled feed does not matter. I have also crawled through and dragged my push feed rifle all through the alders. Your rifle will get beat up. I have hunted in -40 and in the Cordova rain coming down sideways. I never had an issue with a standard rifle or my ammo. I would say a .308 is a little small for moose although I have used .308 on a moose, this is how I know. It is definately too small for a brown bear. For all those caribou goats etc., I still use my .338 because the brown bears are available around them as well. When you go hunting you never know what you will be able to harves.
 
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Weight is a big deal up here (at least for me). I use a Stainless Rem700 in .338 WM. It has a McMillan stock, Talley Rings and a Leupold VXII 1.5-4x20mm. Shoot 210grn bullets as all around bullet, 250gr is my planned Brown Bear load..

Looking at modifying the safety to a 3 position... Other than that it is good to go...

My whole setup is just over 7lbs.

What my buddies up here shoot:
.375 H&H
.388 WM
.300 Weatherby Mag
30-06
.338 RUM
7mm RM

All but 1 (the Weatherby) are stainless synthetic nothing wearing more than a decent 3-9x40mm scope, most are low power variables...

They all have their pros & cons, but I like the .338 WM. It's kick is manageable, ammo is available, and it has some oomph...

Just my $0.02....
 
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Just wondering, anybody up there do anything with 35 Whelen? With a 250 to 300 gr it would appear to give deep penetration with lower cost ammo but then again ammo would most likely be hard to come by.
Same question for 358 Win?
 
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Nice rifle, never have seen one of these!!!!!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Alaskaman 11</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cc987</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
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Wild West Guns 457 Alaskan! </div></div>

Jim makes a good stick, but his talent has opened up his own shop here in town. </div></div>
 
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For Alaska you basically just need to ask yourself 3 questions. Is my rifle durable? If used for hunting bear would I trust my life on it to stop a 2,000lbs animal moving at 40mph that has every intention of eating me? If your not hunting bear the third question is can my sidearm stop a charging bear that's the size of a Ford Focus?

Once you have that your good to go, as I'm sure you know shot placement is a bigger factor than 6,000 ft/lbs of energy. I've taken 3 moose with a .308 and only one hasn't dropped where he stood. Instead he ran about 75 yards and died right next to the river. Another key thing is that Alaska likes to beat up your gear, so don't bring anything pretty or you'll regret it. If you want to sVe some money get a McMillian HTG EDGE stock, it weighs less than 2lbs and get yourself a .454 Casull, .460 S&W or a .44 Magnum as a sidearm.

One last thing. If you do decide to purchase anything at Wild West Guns then act like you have ALOT of money. If you go in there just to look and say as much the customer service goes out the window and your on your own. Other than that I wish you well on your Alaskan hunts and who knows, maybe we'll run into each other down the road.
 
Re: Alaskan rifle

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> If you aren't hunting grizzly or brown bear, then there is really no debate, 308 is more than enough.</div></div>

I have been in Alaska, but not hunted there. One thought worthy of note - you may not be hunting brown bear, but that doesn't rule out the possibility of the brown bear hunting you.

"Use enough gun" is very old but very good advice.
 
Re: Alaskan rifle

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ArcticFun</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For Alaska you basically just need to ask yourself 3 questions. Is my rifle durable? If used for hunting bear would I trust my life on it to stop a 2,000lbs animal moving at 40mph that has every intention of eating me? If your not hunting bear the third question is can my sidearm stop a charging bear that's the size of a Ford Focus?

Once you have that your good to go, as I'm sure you know shot placement is a bigger factor than 6,000 ft/lbs of energy. I've taken 3 moose with a .308 and only one hasn't dropped where he stood. Instead he ran about 75 yards and died right next to the river. Another key thing is that Alaska likes to beat up your gear, so don't bring anything pretty or you'll regret it. If you want to sVe some money get a McMillian HTG EDGE stock, it weighs less than 2lbs and get yourself a .454 Casull, .460 S&W or a .44 Magnum as a sidearm.

One last thing. If you do decide to purchase anything at Wild West Guns then act like you have ALOT of money. If you go in there just to look and say as much the customer service goes out the window and your on your own. Other than that I wish you well on your Alaskan hunts and who knows, maybe we'll run into each other down the road. </div></div>


This is so true about Wildwest guns. They have the customer service skills of a pap smear. Point of fact, Steve, one of there best gunsmiths left to open his own shop, so you can call Alaska custom Firearms. He can do the breakdown 457. Anyway, back to the rifles for up here, please do the right thing and bring the right tools.