I have a Schmidty PMII 5-25 with the GenII XR reticle mil with MOA knobs. My buddy has a Schmidt PMII mil/mil standard mil dot and BORS unit. He wants to trade me for my scope plus I add 600. I love that Gen II XR reticle so much for hold overs I'd hate to get rid of it. I'm just wondering if this is some sort of a killer steal/deal I shouldn't say no to....
Rifle Scopes Am I nuts to say no?
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Re: Am I nuts to say no?
I would do the trade, but I would tell him no to the 600 bucks and absolutely do not want that BORS. The GEN 2XR is no longer produced, but the mil/mil would matter more to me than the GEN2XR
I would do the trade, but I would tell him no to the 600 bucks and absolutely do not want that BORS. The GEN 2XR is no longer produced, but the mil/mil would matter more to me than the GEN2XR
Re: Am I nuts to say no?
Not the BORS huh? They don't work as advertised?
Not the BORS huh? They don't work as advertised?
Re: Am I nuts to say no?
I have no idea if they work as advertised, but this I do know, they do the same thing that any ballistic calculator will do. The unit retails for around 1150.00 bucks. My Ballistic FTE Engine which is roughly the same is 19.99.
The BORS adds weight and isn't a game changer in my opinion.
What are your thoughts on the scope trade OP?
I have no idea if they work as advertised, but this I do know, they do the same thing that any ballistic calculator will do. The unit retails for around 1150.00 bucks. My Ballistic FTE Engine which is roughly the same is 19.99.
The BORS adds weight and isn't a game changer in my opinion.
What are your thoughts on the scope trade OP?
Re: Am I nuts to say no?
I'd rather have the PM II with mil knobs and a mil reticle than the PH in MOA with a mil reticle.
I have no desire for a BORS
If you like your PH, then roll with it. If you want mil knobs, trade it for another PH with mil knobs or contact them and see if they will be willing to convert it for you. Life is too short to run equipment you don't like.
I'd rather have the PM II with mil knobs and a mil reticle than the PH in MOA with a mil reticle.
I have no desire for a BORS
If you like your PH, then roll with it. If you want mil knobs, trade it for another PH with mil knobs or contact them and see if they will be willing to convert it for you. Life is too short to run equipment you don't like.
Re: Am I nuts to say no?
I would keep your setup because the JBM ballistic calculator can tell you your elevation and windage in MOA but still measure in mils. I love the Gen 2 XR reticle too.
I would keep your setup because the JBM ballistic calculator can tell you your elevation and windage in MOA but still measure in mils. I love the Gen 2 XR reticle too.
Re: Am I nuts to say no?
It depends on what you are doing now, and want you want to achieve with the new setup... both of which you failed to mention.
Without knowing either one, I would say keep the Gen II reticle and don't bother hampering an otherwise good scope by mounting a BORS.
It depends on what you are doing now, and want you want to achieve with the new setup... both of which you failed to mention.
Without knowing either one, I would say keep the Gen II reticle and don't bother hampering an otherwise good scope by mounting a BORS.
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Its actually 900 bucks per knob for mil coversion. I called Schmit and when I heard that I nearly keeled over.
Its actually 900 bucks per knob for mil coversion. I called Schmit and when I heard that I nearly keeled over.
Re: Am I nuts to say no?
Trade, sell the BORS, make your $600 back plus a little boot, everyone wins...
If'n your OK with the Mil-dot. Personally I would rather have a mildot scope with matching turrets than a more desirable reticle with MOA turrets... That's just me though. Plus, with what you make off the BORS, you can have the reticle swapped if so desired.
Trade, sell the BORS, make your $600 back plus a little boot, everyone wins...
If'n your OK with the Mil-dot. Personally I would rather have a mildot scope with matching turrets than a more desirable reticle with MOA turrets... That's just me though. Plus, with what you make off the BORS, you can have the reticle swapped if so desired.
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I checked with S&B a few months ago. I found a 5-25x56 PM II with MOA knobs and P4F reticle for cheap. They quoted me $435 plus shipping to convert the knobs.
I checked with S&B a few months ago. I found a 5-25x56 PM II with MOA knobs and P4F reticle for cheap. They quoted me $435 plus shipping to convert the knobs.
Re: Am I nuts to say no?
i checked about 2 months ago. Maybe I'll call them again today n see what they say for a reticle swap or get another quote for a mil conversion
i checked about 2 months ago. Maybe I'll call them again today n see what they say for a reticle swap or get another quote for a mil conversion
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I just checked wiyth Mark at the S&B service center in NH and here is the pricing for services:
Turret change from MOA to Mil or Mil to MOA includes both Elevation and Windage: $550
Reticle change to stock reticle: $550
Reticle change with a Horus reticle: $900
I just checked wiyth Mark at the S&B service center in NH and here is the pricing for services:
Turret change from MOA to Mil or Mil to MOA includes both Elevation and Windage: $550
Reticle change to stock reticle: $550
Reticle change with a Horus reticle: $900
Re: Am I nuts to say no?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRose</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Trade, sell the BORS, make your $600 back plus a little boot, everyone wins...
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With everyone's fondness for the BORS......well, best of luck.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRose</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Trade, sell the BORS, make your $600 back plus a little boot, everyone wins...
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With everyone's fondness for the BORS......well, best of luck.
Re: Am I nuts to say no?
thanks Rob01 for the check. I didn't get to make the call. Sounds like that's what I'll be doing.
I get the impression that people aren't too fond of the Bors, is that correct?
thanks Rob01 for the check. I didn't get to make the call. Sounds like that's what I'll be doing.
I get the impression that people aren't too fond of the Bors, is that correct?
Re: Am I nuts to say no?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Master_Blaster</div><div class="ubbcode-body">thanks Rob01 for the check. I didn't get to make the call. Sounds like that's what I'll be doing.
I get the impression that people aren't too fond of the Bors, is that correct?</div></div>
It just doesn't do enough for most people to justify the price. Much of what it does can be done manually or with a ballistic calculator which you can even get on any smartphone, but it just takes a little longer.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Master_Blaster</div><div class="ubbcode-body">thanks Rob01 for the check. I didn't get to make the call. Sounds like that's what I'll be doing.
I get the impression that people aren't too fond of the Bors, is that correct?</div></div>
It just doesn't do enough for most people to justify the price. Much of what it does can be done manually or with a ballistic calculator which you can even get on any smartphone, but it just takes a little longer.
