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An amateur's Savage and his first range report...

Heronion

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Greetings! You may remember several threads I've had about my mechanical ineptitude and how it caused me many problems. Here's the backstory:

I purchased a Savage Stevens 200 in .308 ($350) about a year ago. I recently wanted to customize it and get into precision shooting (I blame the folks on this site for my new-found addiction). Anyhow, I ordered a barrel from McGowen Precision Barrels, LLC. In the process of trying to remove my factory barrel, I royally F-ed up and twisted my receiver at the bolt rail section. I posted some pictures, thinking it was a sad/funny story, and got a swarm of comments to the essence of "say goodbye to your face" or "I hope no one is near you when that goes off," along with a small group who believed it would be fine. My thought was, since the lugs were not compromised at all, the worst effect would be loss of accuracy (or no accuracy at all) due to the bent and re-bent rails.

Well, I got my barrel in the mail from McGowen yesterday ($250 shipped, with a 6-week wait time). I can't say enough good things about this one. It came prefit for my Savage (small shank), I had it chambered in .308, finished to 26", in a bull contour with a recessed crown. The fit and finish was simply superb. I couldn't be happier with its appearance.

After installing the McGowen barrel, along with a new barrel nut and recoil lug (at $20 for both, I figured, "why not?"). Everything went very smoothly this time around (with the help of a PROPER action wrench and placement of said wrench). I torqued the new barrel nut to approximately 55 foot*pounds and called it good.

I put the rifle in a B&C Medalist A2 stock ($220) which I love, and of course widened out the channel to accommodate the heavier barrel. I then mounted my 20 MOA canted scope base from EGW ($30). I used the blue locktite and torqued her down good. I then put my SWFA SS10x42M ($320 used) in my Burris 30mm low XTRs ($50/set), screwed it all down tight, and I was good to go. Added the bipod, and went to see if she would shoot.

Annoyingly for me, the range (the only one within a hundred miles or so) was packed, so I did not have access to 100 yard targets at all. So I didn't want to wait around doing nothing, so I spent some time at the 50 yarder with my .32 Win. Spl. That was a bad idea for the shoulder (50 rounds of hot-loaded 180gr). Around dusk I had the range all to myself, and I set up a printed target that can be downloaded for free from Storm Tactical (THANK YOU, SIRS!) as part of a 60-page target PDF book.

I attempted a hillbilly boresight, and put one shot on paper (aiming for the centre diamond). As you can see (picture below) I was a bit off. I made one elevation and one windage adjustment and fired a 3-shot group. I know it's not the best shooting, but for me (I don't consider myself a stellar shot) it was very good. Probably the best 3-shot group I've ever done (again, that's just my shooting ability as a reference point).

I got very excited. But, I wanted to do a 5-shot group to make sure I was good to go. I did one very small windage adjustment, and then shot the 5-shot group that is in the bottom-left diamond.

100 yard groups (sighter marked as circled "s" and 3- and 5-shot groups marked with "3" and "5":
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A little closer:
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All shots were made with American Eagle 168gr OTM ammunition ($18/box of 20).

I have to say that I am VERY please with my setup and the performance. The Savage is truly an incredible weapon, the McGowen barrel is excellent, the EGW base and Burris XTRs are more than enough for me, and the SWFA SS10x42M is a fabulous scope for the money. My entire setup costs approximately $1300. For an amateur to precision shooting, this setup is working great.

Before I close off on my ramble, I have a couple of questions for the pros:

1) Will improving my trigger help my groups a decent amount? I'm currently using the factory Stevens trigger that I managed to tweak down to about 5 pounds. It's not horrible, but it's far from ideal.

2) Will using higher quality ammunition help my groups at all? This ammo seems to do pretty well (especially for under $1/round), but will .308 match from say Federal or such help me out?

3) What tips do you have for my vertical stringing problem? I seem to be grouping left-to-right much better than I am top-to-bottom. Is this an issue with my breathing/shooting technique? Or could ammunition with a high SD in the velocity department also be a culprit.

I would appreciate any comments/thoughts/suggestions/advice/hatred.

Cheers!

Brian

 
Re: An amateur's Savage and his first range report...

Id say for what you got into it, the damn thing shoots fine. Keep practicing, and in my opinion 100 yard groups dont mean sh1t, take it to 300 minimum if you want to see what kind of accuracy a rifle has.
 
Re: An amateur's Savage and his first range report...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Barikade</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Id say for what you got into it, the damn thing shoots fine. Keep practicing, and in my opinion 100 yard groups dont mean sh1t, take it to 300 minimum if you want to see what kind of accuracy a rifle has. </div></div>

I agree with the 100 yard group statements. I only had about an hour of light, and didn't feel like making the 1200 yard walk to set up and take down a target at 300. I am VERY much looking forward to practicing more and at longer ranges. Thanks for the input.
 
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That's actually pretty good shooting. If you want to shoot better, maybe get a front rest and rear bag to give you better stability. Squeeze the bag to control elevation or turn the fine tune elevation dial on the front rest.

Also from the consistency of your groups, you can make two clicks to the right to center the shot.
 
Re: An amateur's Savage and his first range report...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CanPopper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That's actually pretty good shooting. If you want to shoot better, maybe get a front rest and rear bag to give you better stability. Squeeze the bag to control elevation or turn the fine tune elevation dial on the front rest.

Also from the consistency of your groups, you can make two clicks to the right to center the shot. </div></div>

Thanks, mate. The wind was between 5-10 mph, so my thinking was that with no wind I'd be centred...? I'll have to pull up the BC to check it out. Thanks.
 
Re: An amateur's Savage and his first range report...

Looks like good shootin to me. What I was told on the rifle team is to check and make sure your not drooping your head between shots. Tends to happen if your cheek weld isn't optimum when you're in a "relaxed" position. If you have to work for the cheek weld, you'll probably forget about it while you're making the shot. Other than that, it could be breathing/heartbeat? I noticed last semester that if I didn't take enough time to chill out after walking up a hill to the range, my heartbeat would sling my shots vertically (and that was at 50 feet). Hope it helps, post up what fixed the problem! Again, good shooting.

-Travis
 
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OMG! That rifle hasn't blown apart yet? You're running on borrowed time! Ticking time bomb! LOL

Good shooting, nothing wrong with that at all!

To answer your questions:

1. Yes, a lighter trigger will help. In my opinion, a LOT. I like a trigger at about 8 oz, personally, but you're tastes may differ. What I want is a trigger I can address with my finger once my hold is 95% there. Once my hold is 100%, just a slight increase in squeeze and the shot is fired. I find that with heavy triggers (over 1.5lb to me), the "finish squeeze" takes so long for me to complete, I lose my 100% hold.

2. More expensive ammo may or may not improve your results. Rifles each have their own appetite, and its perfectly possible yours has an appetite for the ammo you're running through it now. You should certainly try different kinds though, and see what happens.

3. To improve your vertical stringing (and all other things), you just need to practice. Its a bummer you've only got a 100 yard range to work with. Consider a .22 or 17HMR target rifle you can spend some time with. Ammo is cheaper, and 100 yards means something to them...especially the .22.

I see you're in Houghton - do you get to the Lower P much? If so, drop me a line and and we'll hammer some targets we have to really reach out for.
 
Re: An amateur's Savage and his first range report...

Thanks for the great input. My plan is to order a Rifle Basix trigger once I get my next paycheck. I'm planning on getting the one that is adjustable from 1-3 pounds. My dad's Tikka has a 2.5 pound pull and I am really a fan of it. I also want to buy some FGMM and Hornady Match to try out, but with ammo that is $18/box, it's hard not to just stick with it when it shoots decently.

As for the yardage, I think I may have been ambiguous in my original post. My local range HAS berms at 100, 200, 300, and 400 yards. I just did not have access to any of them until about 2030, and it didn't leave me enough time to go out to longer ranges after I zeroed at 100. I fully plan on using the longer ranges. But the 400 is the longest anywhere around where I live.

I actually have relatives in the lower peninsula, and I usually briefly visit the Detroit area once or twice a year. If you live anywhere along the way from the Bridge to Detroit, I may just take you up on that offer. Thanks, mate!
 
Re: An amateur's Savage and his first range report...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bpnelson</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks for the great input. My plan is to order a Rifle Basix trigger once I get my next paycheck. I'm planning on getting the one that is adjustable from 1-3 pounds.</div></div>

thats the trigger i have i my savage. i have it at 1 lb and i like it.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bpnelson</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My plan is to order a Rifle Basix trigger</div></div>

+1

I use a Sav-1 in my Stevens and there is a world of difference between the two, the Rifle Basix is a big step up for not very much money. Now go shoot and post some groups.

TW
 
Re: An amateur's Savage and his first range report...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Training Wheels</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bpnelson</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My plan is to order a Rifle Basix trigger</div></div>

+1

I use a Sav-1 in my Stevens and there is a world of difference between the two, the Rifle Basix is a big step up for not very much money. Now go shoot and post some groups.

TW </div></div>

+1 on the RB. I even help guys replace their accu-triggers with RB.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mwroseberry</div><div class="ubbcode-body">+1 on the RB. I even help guys replace their accu-triggers with RB. </div></div>

I like the Accutrigger, I like the Rifle Basix alot more.
 
Re: An amateur's Savage and his first range report...

Thank you, sirs. This confirms my plan to get the RB Sav-1. Hopefully I will get it within two weeks. The problem is that I have ammo left. To save, or not to save? Ugh....

Also, is the Sav-1 as easy to install as it appears?
 
Re: An amateur's Savage and his first range report...

guys always hate SSS, but they love their triggers. Sharp Shooter Supply. available at midway or brownells. and i thought the sav-2 was somehow better than the sav-1? or does RB still make two models?
 
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RB has two models... And yes it's as easy to install as it looks. Just take your time and get all the functions of the trigger to work then loctite or fingernail polish the screws to set them and let them completely dry before re-install and you'll be set.

Mine is set at 1.5# with total travel of less than a quarter of an inch. I could have gone lighter but I hunt with my rig so I sided on being safe.

Good Luck,
Merritt
 
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I didn't see you live in Houghton. Do you go to Tech? I'll be at that Baraga 400 yard range pretty often this year, once summer's over.

If you want to shoot longer than 400 yards, I Google Earth snooped around by the Ottawa Sportsmen's Club (46.777,-88.632). A little southwest of the range is a really large open field/meadow that looks like it's on a small farmer's property. If someone were to stop in and ask for permission, two or three guys could probably go out there and shoot. It's easily past 1000 yards; no idea of the terrain but I'd assume it to be pretty flat.

EDIT- It's flat. 817 feet in the middle, 825ft on one side, and ~850 feet on the other. 2000 yards of usable flat shooting area.

-Travis
 
Re: An amateur's Savage and his first range report...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Travis Mihm</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I didn't see you live in Houghton. Do you go to Tech? I'll be at that Baraga 400 yard range pretty often this year, once summer's over.

If you want to shoot longer than 400 yards, I Google Earth snooped around by the Ottawa Sportsmen's Club (46.777,-88.632). A little southwest of the range is a really large open field/meadow that looks like it's on a small farmer's property. If someone were to stop in and ask for permission, two or three guys could probably go out there and shoot. It's easily past 1000 yards; no idea of the terrain but I'd assume it to be pretty flat.

EDIT- It's flat. 817 feet in the middle, 825ft on one side, and ~850 feet on the other. 2000 yards of usable flat shooting area.

-Travis </div></div>

Yep, I go to Tech. I've lived in Houghton for about 12 years. I actually go to the Portage Lake Sportsmen Club range, which is between Houghton and Tapiola. I can't really afford the gas to go to the Baraga range. I think I know what land you're talking about, perhaps. There was a place I went to once that had several old irrigation canals and a plain where you could make 1500+ yard shots. I'm not sure if it's the same place you're talking about. I remember it being near Chassell.
 
Re: An amateur's Savage and his first range report...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bpnelson</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thank you, sirs. This confirms my plan to get the RB Sav-1. Hopefully I will get it within two weeks. The problem is that I have ammo left. To save, or not to save? Ugh....

Also, is the Sav-1 as easy to install as it appears? </div></div>

Never pass up an oppurtunity to shoot! So, if the oppurtunity presents itself, use the ammo now, and buy more.

Dude - you need to seriously consider getting into some reloading. Seriously...
 
Re: An amateur's Savage and his first range report...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: turbo54</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bpnelson</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thank you, sirs. This confirms my plan to get the RB Sav-1. Hopefully I will get it within two weeks. The problem is that I have ammo left. To save, or not to save? Ugh....

Also, is the Sav-1 as easy to install as it appears? </div></div>

Never pass up an oppurtunity to shoot! So, if the oppurtunity presents itself, use the ammo now, and buy more.

Dude - you need to seriously consider getting into some reloading. Seriously... </div></div>


Have no fear, I already succumbed, and plan to burn the rest of it off tomorrow evening. And I know I need to reload...I'm just SO LAZY. Gah.
 
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Didn't even know there was a closer range, I was on campus for last year and didn't get into shooting much besides the rifle team. I will be sure and check it out in September. Get into reloading as fast as you possibly can. It's cheap, and almost more important than that, it's an awesome stress reliever.

-Travis
 
Re: An amateur's Savage and his first range report...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Travis Mihm</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Didn't even know there was a closer range, I was on campus for last year and didn't get into shooting much besides the rifle team. I will be sure and check it out in September. Get into reloading as fast as you possibly can. It's cheap, and almost more important than that, it's an awesome stress reliever.

-Travis </div></div>

Yeah, it's only about a 15 minute drive from campus. The range goes out to 400 yards. The club offers a student membership for I think about $26. If you're around this fall hit me up with a PM and you can go as my guest and see if you like it. I'll have to get into the reloading this summer or fall....
 
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If you do, we might just have to swap load data and do some bulk purchases. My Howa is in love with 175 SMK's and 44.5gr of Varget. I shoot bipod/free rear, so my groups aren't incredible, but I ended up with something like a 1.15" 3 shot group from a clean bore. Switching to 178 A-Max's now because they're $28 a box around here instead of FORTY FIVE BUCKS per 100 for the Sierra's. I'll for sure let you know when I get back up there though. I plan on shooting a heck of a lot more this year.

-Travis
 
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Haha, my "load data" consists of a box of American Eagle 168gr OTM. At least it's 0.5 moa capable. And I haven't shot past 100 yards yet (this post was my FIRST trip to the range with this rifle). I need to get out there this weekend and stretch it to 400.
 
Re: An amateur's Savage and his first range report...

You are in tough spot now! You have been bitten by the bug. Since you are an engineering student, might as well get your PE license. You are going to need the $$$$.

Looks like you are off to a strong start. Get a replacement trigger and practice. Those groups will shrink to nothing in no time.

Take care.

Oh, yeah, get a Lee loading kit. Might as well start reloading while you are at it. You will practice more and probably enjoy the reloading, too.
 
Re: An amateur's Savage and his first range report...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bpnelson</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Travis Mihm</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Didn't even know there was a closer range, I was on campus for last year and didn't get into shooting much besides the rifle team. I will be sure and check it out in September. Get into reloading as fast as you possibly can. It's cheap, and almost more important than that, it's an awesome stress reliever.

-Travis </div></div>

Yeah, it's only about a 15 minute drive from campus. The range goes out to 400 yards. The club offers a student membership for I think about $26. If you're around this fall hit me up with a PM and you can go as my guest and see if you like it. I'll have to get into the reloading this summer or fall.... </div></div>

Get into reloading because your ammo will make a huge difference in your groups. I have found that Mcgowens are a little on the picky side on seating depth. This isnt a huge deal but it means your basic factory ammo isn't going to shoot that well compaired to hand loads. Also you will find the tollerance on box ammo to be less than ideal. I'm assuming your running a 1 in 10 twist. If so I'd get ahold of FGMM in 175 or Black Hills in 175 and test it. The 168 will do fine out to about 600 yards then fall on it's face. If you want to go farther you're going to need to go 175.

On your question on vertical string. That "usually" has more to do with ammo than shooter. If you were going high right (right handed shooter) I'd blame it on you as more than likely you were jearking the trigger. Make sure you shoot at the bottom of your breaths and make sure you use between the first and second knuckle for trigger pull. This will give you a more consistant trigger pull as you won't be using multiple fulcrum points to change how the trigger is pulled. You're off to the right start (other than the origional hickup). If you ever want to make a field trip I'll teach you how to reload and we can run your rig through it's paces on my range (personal range no fee ;)) out to 600+ on steal. Make sure you keep all your brass because you're going to regret it if you don't.

PS your rig sounds very firmiliar
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Good luck,
Merritt
 
Re: An amateur's Savage and his first range report...

Great advice, Merritt. Thank you, sir. I am indeed running a 1-10 twist. And what you say about the 168s supports what I've heard. But since my range only goes to 400 yards, and this ammo performs well at that range, it was a necessary evil.

Okay, I'm actually looking at your signature. Damn. Familiar is right. Haha. I think the only difference is rings, brake, and cheek rest. Well, here's to picking a great build *raises glass*

 
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Hm. I was just thinking, I had a class with a Brian. You didn't take bowling first semester, did you? Would be a damn small world if you did.

-Travis
 
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Nope. Was my freshman year this year, so couldn't have been me. I was going to make it out there this year, but got all caught up in what gun to keep and what to sell and by the time I figured it all out the year was over haha. I went to one airsoft meeting in the MUB and that was it. Maybe this year though.

EDIT- HAHA, small world. I'll be living on Mailman Rd next year. The Portage Lake Sportsmen's Club is .4 miles from the place I'm renting. Couldn't have picked a better place I guess!

-Travis