Another citizen silenced by "lawmakers"
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The fact that she has a D after her name tell me she’s just pissed because she hasn’t recieved her cut...yet.
So, um, am I missing something OR does nobody care about private ownership of mineral rights anymore? Or did you to begin with? I don't see that as a D or R issue, I see that as a Landowners Rights issue.
That was kinda her point, I think.
FWIW while all state legislatures are dirty to some degree, I think WV's is one of the dirtiest.
Most landowners do not own mineral rights. They own surface rights. Some tracts of land are sold with surface rights but not timber rights. You may or may not have water rights on "your property."
Should a timber company that owns or leases the timber rights to your land (rights you do not own, and retained by some other owner) be able to log timber from your property without your consent? If they are not your rights to sell or lease, do you as the "property owner" have a right to deny access?
What about slant drilling? Accessing oil beneath your property from adjacent properties. Should a rights holder be able to access oil/gas/other beneath your property by circumventing your consent?
I'd wager that many of these questions are actually answered by the deeds and other documents signed by buyers and sellers when property changes hands. Easements have often been negotiated generations earlier and are detailed in those docs.
I'd argue that if you do not own the rights, you do not have the right to block access. But, you should be entitled to negotiate a reasonable access agreement, including any necessary remediation enforce necessary to return the land to its original state.
Should a timber company that owns or leases the timber rights to your land (rights you do not own, and retained by some other owner) be able to log timber from your property without your consent? If they are not your rights to sell or lease, do you as the "property owner" have a right to deny access?
What about slant drilling? Accessing oil beneath your property from adjacent properties. Should a rights holder be able to access oil/gas/other beneath your property by circumventing your consent?
I'd wager that many of these questions are actually answered by the deeds and other documents signed by buyers and sellers when property changes hands. Easements have often been negotiated generations earlier and are detailed in those docs.
I'd argue that if you do not own the rights, you do not have the right to block access. But, you should be entitled to negotiate a reasonable access agreement, including any necessary remediation enforce necessary to return the land to its original state.
Did you read the bill, or do you just assume its bad because one person who opposes intentionally got thrown out for breaking the rules of procedure, then tried to pretend it was for looking up who donated to who's campaign?
Here are the questions that need to be answered on the subject. Not if the lobbyist were on the side of good or evil.
We have one section[640 acres] on our farm that we own the mineral rights on that is east of a section with 26 gas wells on it. We get zero, zip, nada from anyone for gas taken from our property. There are a few wells within 150 ft. of the center of the road between the 2 sections.
Do I think that there are lateral bores going under us? Fuck yes. My experience working in the oil patch gives me a clue that more than likely that is a fact.
Do I think we, as well as other neighbors, will ever see one red cent from this after asking about it through the local state Representatives? In short, FUCK NO.
We have been questioning this for years with several Representatives and I have come to the conclusion that Big Oil talks and Bullshit booted farmers and ranchers walk--- away with nothing in their pockets other than lawyer's bills. FM
Do I think that there are lateral bores going under us? Fuck yes. My experience working in the oil patch gives me a clue that more than likely that is a fact.
Do I think we, as well as other neighbors, will ever see one red cent from this after asking about it through the local state Representatives? In short, FUCK NO.
We have been questioning this for years with several Representatives and I have come to the conclusion that Big Oil talks and Bullshit booted farmers and ranchers walk--- away with nothing in their pockets other than lawyer's bills. FM
Fm, sounds like you are getting fucked. I know that when I was a kid, my mom and dad received some small amount of royalties for slant drilling operations harvesting oil/gas from under 12 acres that they own, even though they did not retain the mineral rights. The royalties were for access- even though the drilling was being done from neighboring properties.
That would take a bit of digging wouldn't it?
The producing formation is about 5900'to6200' TD so it would take me and my small backhoe a while to get there.
It's a goatfuck and it has taken us years to learn it but it is what it is and we will never overcome it.
We tried but failed. Our pockets are not deep enough as opposed to their's and what is that saying about not fighting city hall or some such shit?
This isn't any kind of city but bad government none the less and my pockets are damn sure a lot lighter trying to do right. FM
The producing formation is about 5900'to6200' TD so it would take me and my small backhoe a while to get there.
It's a goatfuck and it has taken us years to learn it but it is what it is and we will never overcome it.
We tried but failed. Our pockets are not deep enough as opposed to their's and what is that saying about not fighting city hall or some such shit?
This isn't any kind of city but bad government none the less and my pockets are damn sure a lot lighter trying to do right. FM
Thank you for posting this. I live in WV and didn't know about this.
I believe what she was saying wasn't "personal" (as the moderator claimed) and was "related to the bill" since the money she's talking about suggests a motivation for creating the bill. That's just my opinion on rhetoric, not the cash-for-representation issue.
I wonder if the moderator has an interest in resource extraction.
Words like "fat" and "stupid" and "democrat" don't really add to the substance of something like this. It doesn't offend me, I just want the posters to consider that maybe they're diluting the content.
I would really love to understand how someone who believes in liberty and property ownership can tolerate what extraction industries have done to WV.
Bob
I believe what she was saying wasn't "personal" (as the moderator claimed) and was "related to the bill" since the money she's talking about suggests a motivation for creating the bill. That's just my opinion on rhetoric, not the cash-for-representation issue.
I wonder if the moderator has an interest in resource extraction.
Words like "fat" and "stupid" and "democrat" don't really add to the substance of something like this. It doesn't offend me, I just want the posters to consider that maybe they're diluting the content.
I would really love to understand how someone who believes in liberty and property ownership can tolerate what extraction industries have done to WV.
Bob
Big companies donate to campaigns, they donate to charities, they donate for tax right offs. Characterizing them as pay for play is your personal choice. Characterizing campaign donations as bribes is a personal attack and has nothing to do with merits or problems with the bill. I hope she flopped like a fat stupid democrat when she hit the pavement.
http://www.wvlegislature.gov/Bill_S...oc=hb4268 intr.htm&yr=2018&sesstype=RS&i=4268
https://marcellusdrilling.com/2018/01/wv-co-tenancy-royalty-transparency-bills-make-progress/
http://www.wvlegislature.gov/Bill_S...oc=hb4268 intr.htm&yr=2018&sesstype=RS&i=4268
https://marcellusdrilling.com/2018/01/wv-co-tenancy-royalty-transparency-bills-make-progress/
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