anti cant device questions

[rogan]

what type of anti cant device is most visible during shot preparation and after shot preparation? most usability?

Scope ring cant directly behind elevation turret

scope ring cant directly behind paralex turret

picatinny rail mounted cant device.

 

[sirhrmechanic]

Re: anti cant device questions

The best are probably the internal mounted ones that are now offered by some companies including, I think, USO.

Also the Spuhr mount that sits under the scope bell is very visible.

I run mine on the left, Pic rail mount, behind and below the parallax adjustment. I can look w. left eye and keep right eye/cheek weld in place. It works for me. I keep both eyes open shooting and 'toggle' as needed.

This picture was taken last week during a 'stress course' at a school. I was so focused on my target, I never even knew someone was taking pictures... but you can see how you can use both eyes with this position.

Not everyone needs an anti-cant. But I have a natural cant to the left. Mine helps me. But not everyone needs one by a long shot.

Cheers and hope this helps.

Sirhr

 

[DCR]

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I do the same as Sirhr. Easy to check. The target backers at my range drive me nuts. Always make me feel like my rifle is canted when it's not.

 

[Mike]

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In my opinion, and take it for what you paid for it, I think anti cant devices are a waste of time. That's not a knock on those who use one so don't take it that way, but in all my years of shooting in odd positions I have never felt I needed a device to tell me if I was canted or not (as long as the scope was mounted straight, etc.)

$.02

 

[taseal]

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Not everyone needs an anti-cant. But I have a natural cant to the left. Mine helps me. But not everyone needs one by a long shot.
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I disagree. a 5 degree cant cause you to miss a HUGE amount at long distances.

not also that, but a shooter can end up trying to level up with a target down range that isn't on perfect level. I've seen these errors, and anti cant always is a big help

perhaps a very experienced shooter might get away, but I'm positive it's a huge help that everyone needs.

I'm looking for one myself now because of this... it's a must in my opinion

 

[Graham]

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I had an interesting discussion about them with Caylen at Rifles Only last fall. He likes them. I don't. He said that they are useful if/when the horizon isn't level and the distances begin to greatly increase. That, in theory, I agree with. But I still don't have one on my rifle. Maybe I need to Take Caylen's course out west, because he swears that I will be able to discern the advantage when neither the targets nor the horizon is level.

 

[Lowlight]

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I can't discern a difference and I shoot in the mountain, at angles, etc... I have tried but I must focus on the reticle and the target and not try to line things up with the horizon, target boards, or anything other than focusing on quartering the target, so I never get that feeling I am off...

I can sure as hell see if my rings loosen up and my scope starts to turn, that has happened and I can detect it. But once i know it is leveled the first time, I focus on the target, not trying to line it up to anything else.

But that is me, I am silly like that, I tend to address the rifle the same way with it in my shoulder pocket.

 

[-Nick-]

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I did have an internal level put into my USO ST-10 and I will say that although it might not be needed it is a nice feature and it doesn't really obstruct my sight picture. I'm a novice though and I'm sure with enough trigger time I won't likely need it when my muscle memory kicks in. I do use it from time to time though just to make sure...

 

[rogan]

Re: anti cant device questions

perfect I understand great training tool for novices like me setting up behind a rifle. veterans have the experience and muscle memory dont need this. great site always good info.

 

[taseal]

Re: anti cant device questions

I've always wondered this (I don't have one, but been told how important they are)

how do you keep looking at the scope to hold like a mil for a silhouette at a mile, and at the same time, look at the damn level to make sure it's level?

 

[clmayfield]

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I think the fundamental issue is with the shooter... I find that I can be off by as much as 3 degrees, which is significant. Others have naturally good inclinometers between their ears.

At 100 yards, it makes no difference. At 1,000 with a 308, cant makes a pretty big difference. I don't know that many people are off by 5 degrees, but if someone is likely to be off by that much, they should definitely use one.

I use the Level Grouse. It has two diodes, one red, one green. I can't tell you which color is which side, but it comes to me so naturally now that when I see one color, I naturally shift the rifle until no lights are on.

The disadvantage of the Level Grouse is it is battery operated. Have I had it go out at matches? All the time. I usually keep an extra pair of batteries in my stock pack. Even switching batteries is a pain and if I don't discover until I start shooting, I will finish the match without.

That is the biggest advantage of the bubble level. USO makes a good bubble level style ACD.

BTW, if you do buy a Level Grouse, I would consider buying it from Phoenix Tactical. Alamo Four Star has had a number of service issues. While I have ordered direct from them in the past with good luck, I know others here on the Hide have not had such great luck with them.

 

[killerwaffles]

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I started using a flatline ops folding level when i first started shooting long distances and it really did help. After a while of correcting myself by using the level, my muscle memory came into effect and i didnt need to use it. I would def recommend using one to start

 

[taseal]

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electronic level... interesting. too bad there isn't a lefty version. lol

 

[CoryT]

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I like a level of some sort. I've got the Spuhr mount, an Accuracy 1st and some US Optics rail mounts. All work fine, just a glance of the left eye confirms I'm square. I don't stare at it, or go back and forth. If I'm off, an quick adjustment gets me on track then I'm on the reticle.

I don't find myself out of plumb very often, but sometimes the target and position leads to being off enough to matter. I see students doing it all the time. With no horizon line for most shots, add in a target with a slight lean and no other indicators of vertical and people just tend to automatically square up with the target.