A local breeder has pups available. I currently have an Akbash roaming my property and fell in love with sheep dogs , considering adding to my pack and looking for insite .
Any Caucasion Ovcharka owners ?
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Hi,
What are you interested in knowing?
My first suggestion would be to NOT get one on a spur of moment situation (aka local breeder just so happens to have pups available).
There is going to be a reason they did not have all pups sold before they even bred the pair and that is not a good sign from the get go.
Find out why they bred the pair but have pups unspoken for? This IMO is crucial information and if you think they are not being completely truthful in their reason then run away.
All that being said..the CO is not a dog to undertake without full history and knowledge of at minimum 5 generations.
Sincerely,
Theis
What are you interested in knowing?
My first suggestion would be to NOT get one on a spur of moment situation (aka local breeder just so happens to have pups available).
There is going to be a reason they did not have all pups sold before they even bred the pair and that is not a good sign from the get go.
Find out why they bred the pair but have pups unspoken for? This IMO is crucial information and if you think they are not being completely truthful in their reason then run away.
All that being said..the CO is not a dog to undertake without full history and knowledge of at minimum 5 generations.
Sincerely,
Theis
Thanks Theis , sounds like you know a great deal more about the breed than I do . I'm not sure of the circumstances of this particular breeding , but most of the pups are reserved at this point. I'll be meeting with the breeders Saturday.
There's not much information out there regarding the breed , am I out of line thinking that they'll be similar to other large livestock guardians , Akbash, Pyrenees ect.? I own an Akbash and have spent plenty of time with Pyrenees , they display exactly what I'm looking for in a dog . Caucasian Ovcharka seem similar, just very rare in my area .
There's not much information out there regarding the breed , am I out of line thinking that they'll be similar to other large livestock guardians , Akbash, Pyrenees ect.? I own an Akbash and have spent plenty of time with Pyrenees , they display exactly what I'm looking for in a dog . Caucasian Ovcharka seem similar, just very rare in my area .
I very seriously looked into getting one. However, I got pretty mixed feedback on them. Some raised as pets were big babies. Others with protective training were extremely aggressive and hard to control.
I have worked a couple and ran both of them. super defensive and little nerve. they look the part but for work, I havent seen 1 that i would feed. Friend of mine had one and got rid of it before it was a year. it turned out to be a fear biter. also have another friend that has one and she loves it (shes a trainer also but got this dog for shits and gigs, not to work.)
Hi,
I have dealt with lots of them over the years BUT let me preface that by saying none were in the USA nor a USA based breeding program.
USA based breeding programs tend to bred down, bred out, water down, etc etc the traits of LOTS of different breeds.
I am quiet good friends with the current head of the K9 breeding program for Russian Prison System and my experience with the CO comes only from those dogs.
They are absolutely not designed or built to function as a patrol dog in the sense of a GSD or Mal but more of fenced in zone protection dog.
Using them in a "no mans land" (between 2 fences) is where they excel. They do not and will never (hopefully) excel at biting a sleeve then running in a big circle only to drop sleeve back at decoys feet for him to play "tag" again.
In comparison to your examples...I would say the Akbash is closer to the CO temperament than other livestock guardians BUT ramp the Akbash aggression to strangers up x5. Take that increased aggression and also realize the increased physical size can be a handful. You literally have to reorganize your house to accommodate the damn dog lol.
IF you do not have a secured fenced area that the CO can take ownership of and have constant people coming to your property then my suggestion would be to stick with Akbash instead of CO.
Sincerely,
Theis
I have dealt with lots of them over the years BUT let me preface that by saying none were in the USA nor a USA based breeding program.
USA based breeding programs tend to bred down, bred out, water down, etc etc the traits of LOTS of different breeds.
I am quiet good friends with the current head of the K9 breeding program for Russian Prison System and my experience with the CO comes only from those dogs.
They are absolutely not designed or built to function as a patrol dog in the sense of a GSD or Mal but more of fenced in zone protection dog.
Using them in a "no mans land" (between 2 fences) is where they excel. They do not and will never (hopefully) excel at biting a sleeve then running in a big circle only to drop sleeve back at decoys feet for him to play "tag" again.
In comparison to your examples...I would say the Akbash is closer to the CO temperament than other livestock guardians BUT ramp the Akbash aggression to strangers up x5. Take that increased aggression and also realize the increased physical size can be a handful. You literally have to reorganize your house to accommodate the damn dog lol.
IF you do not have a secured fenced area that the CO can take ownership of and have constant people coming to your property then my suggestion would be to stick with Akbash instead of CO.
Sincerely,
Theis
Yea, I'm not an IPO guy so I only use a sleeve for pups. everything I do is with a suit, hidden sleeve, or no equipment. The OCs I worked were all imports. You may have had a different experience with them than i have but 99% of all the trainers that I know from all over the world tend to dislike them. Every OC I've seen work are all hand biters and pullers and are almost exclusively worked on a back tie.
they are scary dogs and serve a purpose but I can find dogs from a number of different breeds that do the same job and do it better. that's all I'm saying. I will say this. 99.99% of dirt bags wouldnt test their luck with a 180lb bear that's barking in their faces so if you need an area guarded, they ain't a bad way to go.
they are scary dogs and serve a purpose but I can find dogs from a number of different breeds that do the same job and do it better. that's all I'm saying. I will say this. 99.99% of dirt bags wouldnt test their luck with a 180lb bear that's barking in their faces so if you need an area guarded, they ain't a bad way to go.
