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    So I was lurking on Lapuas website and I see they are introducing Long Range and Super Long Range ammo. Anyone got any info from the rumor mills? Not sure if it is pure unadulterated .22 awesomeness or jusr "rebranded" Rifle Match and Long Range Rifle Match. Thoughts?
     
    It's not going to be available until March or later I saw posted on Accurate Shooter...Since Center X is so scarce, not sure if this new stuff will be any better to locate....
     
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    Not sure if it is pure unadulterated .22 awesomeness or jusr "rebranded" Rifle Match and Long Range Rifle Match. Thoughts?
    It's neither.

    There is absolutely no reason to believe that in terms of performance characteristics -- MV variation among them -- it can or will be any superior to existing grades of Lapua. As a Lapua-branded ammo, it's loaded on the Lapua production line, and so is not rebranded SK.
     
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    It's neither.

    There is absolutely no reason to believe that in terms of performance characteristics -- MV variation among them -- it can or will be any superior to existing grades of Lapua. As a Lapua-branded ammo, it's loaded on the Lapua production line, and so is not rebranded SK.
    Re-branded might have been a mis-quote on my part. I was just looking at the specs and saw that Lapua Super Long Range and SK Long Range Match share very similar ballistics is all.
     
    Which scenario is more likely? :unsure:

    Lapua invested time and money into research and development for a new line of specialty cartridges,
    that would appeal to an extremely limited market...or...the graphics department printed out some new labels
    to fill with current products so as to manipulate the more optimistic of our brethren
    into parting with more of their hard earned cash?
     
    Which scenario is more likely? :unsure:

    Lapua invested time and money into research and development for a new line of specialty cartridges,
    that would appeal to an extremely limited market...or...the graphics department printed out some new labels
    to fill with current products so as to manipulate the more optimistic of our brethren
    into parting with more of their hard earned cash?
    This made me laugh! Who knows? If they actually put more of the same powder in the case, or changed powders, they had to have done some development.
    Yet profit is the goal.
    Even if 80% of us say no improvement, there will be 15% preaching the virtues of it.

    "My Va Duu sucked and was destined for the chop saw when the UPS truck delivered the gold and now I am a ranked shooter"
     
    This made me laugh! Who knows? If they actually put more of the same powder in the case, or changed powders, they had to have done some development.
    Yet profit is the goal.
    Even if 80% of us say no improvement, there will be 15% preaching the virtues of it.

    "My Va Duu sucked and was destined for the chop saw when the UPS truck delivered the gold and now I am a ranked shooter"
    My Va Duu does suck! Pretty sure it's that nut behind the trigger. Damn defective part! :LOL:

    BTW... I am a ranked shooter. Just a VERY low rank!
     
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    So what would be required to produce consistent moa results at 200 yards?
    Muzzle velocities with an ES of less than 20 fps.
    Pristine/symmetrical bullets with extremely uniform brass and seating/crimp.
    Pretty much what we look for now when shooting benchrest at 50 yards, right? :oops:

    What are the chances any of the manufacturers can accomplish that task? :sneaky:
     
    Re-branded might have been a mis-quote on my part. I was just looking at the specs and saw that Lapua Super Long Range and SK Long Range Match share very similar ballistics is all.
    When it comes to similar ballistics, according to their respective ballistics charts the specs for SK Magazine (a lesser grade than SK Standard Plus) has the same ballistics as Lapua X-Act, perhaps the most expensive .22LR match ammo available. Beyond superficial appearances, that's where the similarity ends.

    Which scenario is more likely? :unsure:

    Lapua invested time and money into research and development for a new line of specialty cartridges,
    that would appeal to an extremely limited market...or...the graphics department printed out some new labels
    to fill with current products so as to manipulate the more optimistic of our brethren
    into parting with more of their hard earned cash?
    Neither scenario may be likely. Consider the following -- which of course is speculation. (Lapua doesn't publish much about this kind of stuff.)

    What Lapua appears to have done was to create two new varieties of 1106 fps ammo, Super Long Range and Long Range. Other Lapua 1106 ammo includess Polar Biathlon and Pistol King.

    Unlike Polar Biathlon, the new varieties will probably have the standard Lapua bullet that's used on CX, M+, and X-Act. (This bullet is indicated on the lot number. It's a "5" -- the third digit in the five digit number preceding the slash. According to the one lot of Polar Biathlon on hand, the PB bullet is indicated by the number "7".)

    Prior to the introduction of Lapua Long Range and Super Long Range, the production of 1106 fps rounds with the standard "5" bullet was limited to Lapua Pistol King, which of course has a slower MV in typical pistol barrels. (Lapua OSP is the standard 1073 fps ammo but it's actual MV is reduced when used in pistols).

    Now Lapua will be able to produce three grades of 1106 fps ammo that uses the standard "5" bullet. From the top of the heirarchy they will be graded Lapua Super Long Range, Long Range, and Pistol King. This is similar to what's done on the SK production line (separate from the Lapua even though it's in the same facility) when SK's 1106 fps ammo is graded, from the top to SK Long Range Match, Biathlon Sport, and Pistol Match Special.

    For those who object to this grading heirarchy, it's worth keeping in mind a few things. Pistol ammo is shot under different conditions where the top grade of ammo's potential advantages aren't usually fully utilized. Pistol-specific branded ammo can be sold at higher prices than their place in the grading system would seem to justify because they are a niche product.)

    Of course if Lapua doesn't use the standard "5" bullet on the new long range varieties, the above is irrelevant.
     
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    I have been told the the bullets used in SK Match, SK Long Range, CX, M+, and X-act are the same bullet. The new Lapua long range is a new Boattail bullet, with a better BC.
     
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    When it comes to similar ballistics, according to their respective ballistics charts the specs for SK Magazine (a lesser grade than SK Standard Plus) has the same ballistics as Lapua X-Act, perhaps the most expensive .22LR match ammo available. Beyond superficial appearances, that's where the similarity ends.


    Neither scenario may be likely. Consider the following -- which of course is speculation. (Lapua doesn't publish much about this kind of stuff.)

    What Lapua appears to have done was to create two new varieties of 1106 fps ammo, Super Long Range and Long Range. Other Lapua 1106 ammo includess Polar Biathlon and Pistol King.

    Unlike Polar Biathlon, the new varieties will probably have the standard Lapua bullet that's used on CX, M+, and X-Act. (This bullet is indicated on the lot number. It's a "5" -- the third digit in the five digit number preceding the slash. According to the one lot of Polar Biathlon on hand, the PB bullet is indicated by the number "7".)

    Prior to the introduction of Lapua Long Range and Super Long Range, the production of 1106 fps rounds with the standard "5" bullet was limited to Lapua Pistol King, which of course has a slower MV in typical pistol barrels. (Lapua OSP is the standard 1073 fps ammo but it's actual MV is reduced when used in pistols).

    Now Lapua will be able to produce three grades of 1106 fps ammo that uses the standard "5" bullet. From the top of the heirarchy they will be graded Lapua Super Long Range, Long Range, and Pistol King. This is similar to what's done on the SK production line (separate from the Lapua even though it's in the same facility) when SK's 1106 fps ammo is graded, from the top to SK Long Range Match, Biathlon Sport, and Pistol Match Special.

    For those who object to this grading heirarchy, it's worth keeping in mind a few things. Pistol ammo is shot under different conditions where the top grade of ammo's potential advantages aren't usually fully utilized. Pistol-specific branded ammo can be sold at higher prices than their place in the grading system would seem to justify because they are a niche product.)

    Of course if Lapua doesn't use the standard "5" bullet on the new long range varieties, the above is irrelevant.
    The write up makes sense to me. Same bullet but faster. Have Polar Biathlon from two different lots, they also have the "7".
     
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    The new Lapua long range is a new Boattail bullet, with a better BC.
    A boattail bullet for .22LR seems unlikely.

    Match .22LR bullets (as well as those of most if not all .22LR HV and other SV ammo) is a heeled bullet with a cavity or hollow base. In Rifleman's Guide to Rimfire Ammunition, Steven Boelter explains that the hollow base "helps seal the bullet to the bore and prevent propellant gas from leaking past."

    Below is a cross section of a .22LR round.

     
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    It came from a friend having a gun built, by his smith. It could just be BS, but was told as the truth. my bad if not true. we will have to see when it comes out.
    Think your friend's smith may be confusing it with the now 4 month late to release RWS Long Range offering. There is a thread on it here with pics, is heavier and has a different base design.

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    Think your friend's smith may be confusing it with the now 4 month late to release RWS Long Range offering. There is a thread on it here with pics, is heavier and has a different base design.

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    I saw that thread, and looked at the data on RWS's website. For the imperialist bastards (like me):
    Bullet weight 2.8gram = 43 grain
    Muzzle Velocity 355m/s = 1,165fps