Anyone into guitars ?

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I need some help picking out a new Guitar for my Daughter . I have an old acoustic that has sentimental value and she has a Squire Strat that she has outgrown Talent wise . I know next to nothing about guitars and need some help finding her a decent guitar that won't break the bank . I would like some ideas on Electric and Acoustic .
 
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For an Electric I would look at a Fender Strat American Standard or Gibson Les Paul Studio. Each can be had for under $1000.00. if that is still on the high side you could look at some lower priced Strats or the Epiphone Les Paul line of guitars. Acoustic guitars are another story. I have played some lower end guitars that are close in tonal quality to my Gibson's and Taylor. It would be best to go to a music store and try some out and see what has the sound your looking for. My daughters first Guitar was an $700.00 Ovation she got when she was 6 yrs old. 10 years later and she still plays it daily along with several others Acoustic and electric.
 
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There are many nice guitars being made today in the "affordable" category that are fine instruments, but not "top-shelf" necessarily. As mentioned you cannot go wrong with an American Strat or Gibson LP - but that's gonna cost you a fair bit.

What kind of music does she play? For rock/metal that type of thing, look at ESP(LTD-line) or Schecter, or Ibanez guitars(I love the ESP/ltd's myself) - they have many models around the $5-700 mark that have really nice elctronics, good wood and are remarkably well made for the price. The downside? They will be made in Korea, Viet Nam or the like.

Also for acoustics, Taylor makes some "affordable" level models that aren't as pricey, but sound amazing.(again $500-700 range).

There really are many choices today outside the obvious "classsics," but it depends what she's looking for in terms of design, features, woods and what have you.
 
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Here is a video of a song she wrote . She is playing the beater old acoustic and her friend is singing . This will give you a decent idea of the kind of music she likes . I was sort of thinking of maybe a Acoustic/Electric ?
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We are going to have her Grandfather come over and go looking with us . He has played for 35 years and is friends with John Bolin so maybe he can lend some insight into the whole deal . We will hit up all the usual suspects in town and let her play a bunch of guitars .
 
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et her pick out the guitar...take her to a place like Guitar Center and demo a bunch. As a guitar player the price always becomes the compromising factor for me, trying to balance tone, feel, function, and price is a decision she needs to figure out although you can set a price limit.
 
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I would be sure to play the guitar you want in a store. Online sales can offer some really good prices but you just can't be sure the sound and tone will be the same. All guitars are different and each one has it's own unique sound. This is very true when it comes to acoustic guitars. When I bought my Taylor Koa K24ce I played about 6 of them until I found the tone I liked. This holds true to any guitars I have bought. I am not saying by any means that you need to spend 2,000 to 4,000 for a guitar I have a couple of Epiphone Acoustics that sound great and they were in the 300 to 500 range. Enough rambling. Good luck in your search and happy playing.
 
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I have an old beat up Seagull acoustic/electric that sounds absolutely amazing. A coworker of my dad plays professionally and set up my seagull and gibson for when I came home from Iraq and he didn't want to give the seagull back, he liked it so much. The Seagulls are made in Canada last I knew and are moderatly priced. I agree with everyone else in that best to try the guitars out and find one that she likes.
 
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I got this one as a graduation present in June 2003. I've played it at least once a week every single week since then. I've gotten more miles out of it than I have any of my others. It sounds great acoustic, miked, or direct thru a PA. I have one Squier Strat that I use rarely, and 3 other Ibanez electrics (1,2, & 3 - none are mine specifically, just those models) that have served me well. I think she'd be pretty happy with one of those 2 that she's picked out so far. Or a Taylor. Everybody loves a Taylor, but some of us can't afford them.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rero360</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have an old beat up Seagull acoustic/electric that sounds absolutely amazing. </div></div>

Have a buddy of mine that HIGHLY recommends me to get one - saw one for $400 over on bainbridge island but it's 30 minutes away and I was too lazy.

THey sound great, that's a great guitar!
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rero360</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have an old beat up Seagull acoustic/electric that sounds absolutely amazing. A coworker of my dad plays professionally and set up my seagull and gibson for when I came home from Iraq and he didn't want to give the seagull back, he liked it so much. The Seagulls are made in Canada last I knew and are moderatly priced. I agree with everyone else in that best to try the guitars out and find one that she likes. </div></div>Every Saegull I have played had good tone, I really like their 12 strings. I have played 2 Ibanez acoustic's that had really bad tone and sound projection.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Michael N</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I need some help picking out a new Guitar for my Daughter . I have an old acoustic that has sentimental value and she has a Squire Strat that she has outgrown Talent wise . I know next to nothing about guitars and need some help finding her a decent guitar that won't break the bank . I would like some ideas on Electric and Acoustic . </div></div>

I'm a 35+ year player. IMO, nothing is worse than learning on a POS guitar.Playability is just as important for a beginner as a seasoned player.

Fender markets a decent (unfortunately MEXICAN produced) learner electric. STAY AWAY FROM GUITAR CENTER. Go to a well recognized music store,bring her with you and have one of the instructors find something that they'd recommend.

Since she has "outgrown" the Squire- remember the Fender has a 25 and 1/2 " scale. Gibson's like the Les Paul or SG have a 24 and 3/4 scale. The string tension on a Gibson tuned to the same pitch and using the same gauge strings as a Fender will be less. Easier to bend strings. BUT has a different feel.

Just like anything else in this world-take her and have real professional advice. Guitars like guns have the same price ranges.Stores like the Guitar Center have staff that are strickly motivated to sell-regardless of what you need. Kinda going to the gun store and listening to the alleged "expert" behind the counter spout bullshit.

Good luck and keep encouraging her to play.
 
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A friend just bought an Yamaha f335 acoustic electric and that thing sounds amazing for $250 that he paid for it. I have A Les Paul Traditional but still love playing his yamaha!

If his guitar had lighter gauge strings I think it would be unbeatable even in a higher price range.(guitar center has some great sales on them from time to time!)
 
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Don't know much about guitars, but I've got an Ovation that I play a few chords on. I like it because it's an acoustic, but has an electric pick-up and the polymer shell is not susceptible to humidity and other changes. Great travel, take-a-beating guitar.
 
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I have promised my No1 Son a red and white Rickenbacker, vintage with case. It's a wee bit North of what some folks consider sane($2500), but man to hear that boy play and sing is something else! To hear him play a vintage guitar that is hanging on a shop wall like it was meant to be played is something special. Watching everyine stop what they are doing to come over and watch and listen to him, well shit man, there is just nothing like being the Dad.

Michael, get her a really good Fender and Amp or a nice Rickenbacker, but ONLY if she promises to keep up with the music and follow it for all it's worth. Rock and Roll is something that only a few really know how to do right and she has the licks to do it well. Grow it and nurture it, let it live and that guitar will one day howl the riffs of some serious rock and roll. Remember, if it's too loud, you're too old
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Some good advice has been given in this thread. I own and have played LOTS of expensive guitars and plenty of different people's beater guitars, lol, they're all fun. I had the priveledge of playing with a musician that was signed by Lure records, so I know a little bit about guitars, although that doesn't mean I'm more experienced than some people probably here. The truth is some of the best musicians don't get signed because they just don't get heard or get lucky. Either way, I've only been playing guitar seriously (every day at least 45 minutes or more) for 12 years.

I love my Taylor guitars, although I don't like the new ones nearly as much as my old Taylor. They changed the bracing system quite a while back and it really changed the intonation and voicing of the guitars. The old Taylors sounded MUCH more like C.F. Martin guitars. I believe the new Taylors have WAY too much mid and high tones and not nearly enough smooth bass to them. The American Walnut I played at the exhibition last year and at this year's Taylor exhibition are an exception, lol, but I doubt you want to pay that. Either way, I miss the old Taylor sound.

You'll hear a lot about Takamine's (and Ovation's) and they're ok for the money, but I think most of them are still a bit weighted toward the mid and high tones, even their larger body guitars. Your daughter will probably feel most comfortable with a "dreadnought" style body guitar. They offer good even tones and don't sound too small, but they fit women and younger people better than the larger guitars. It's not the same as playing a big jumbo body, but it usually just works a lot better for them.

I have been impressed quite a few times with some Yamaha guitars that I thought sounded pretty dang good for the money. I sat down with a friend that had a $400 budget for a guitar, and I kept coming back to the Yamaha's every single time. The Seagulls sound really good, and they're good for the money, BUT I do have one thing against them. Every seagull that I've played has a neck and nut that is 2mm wider than most other guitars. 2mm doesn't sound like a lot, but think about how much of a differnce 2mm can make in terms of precision rifles, at the muzzle it gets magnified over distance. For women and people with shorter fingers ,the necks feel VERY wide and are NOT comfortable for them. For men and people that have "fat fingers" they usually LOVE seagull guitars because they sound good and give them that little bit of space they need.

I think you should let her play lots of guitars, and see which ones she likes. Most of the lighter topped guitars will mellow with age, and get a little bit lower toned and more even voicing. The big names in guitars that you'll hear about are Gibson, Taylor, Breedlove, Godin, etc. They're a lot like rifles, there's some very expensive and beautiful guitars out there, but most people can't even come close to using them how they should be. Some more common names you'll hear that make some good acoustic guitars as well are Ibanez, Guild, Seagull, Yamaha, Takamine,Epiphone, Ovation (lower down made by Takamine), Washburn, etc, etc, etc. I would stay away from Fender acoustic guitars (not their good electric guitar), Jasmine (made by ovation, who's made by takamine), Rogue, etc.

You'll be pretty safe with $300 guitars and up with one of the main brands that I've mentioned. Every player has a different preference in tone, and their style. I still like more well rounded intonation on guitars so make sure they at least have a little bass; cheaper guitars usually lack in this field, so finding one that has some bass in the chord usually will make it sound a little better (in my opinion). You should keep an eye on how high the "action" is on the guitar. This is a term that simply means how high the strings sit off of the neck. Look at about the 12th fret (about the middle of the neck where there's a double dot usually), and see how far off of the neck they are. You want it to be as low as possible, but so that you don't hear rattling or buzzing sounds when she's fretting chords. Sometimes beginners don't get strings down good and they buzz a little, but it shouldn't be a persistent noise. Lower actions means it's easier to push the strings down so they don't cut into the fingers quite as much because they require less pressure on the string. This allows players to play longer without their fingers hurting as much (even if they have callouses), and it make sit easier to play up on the higher frets. There's lots of other reasons, but I won't get into it in detail. Either way, you want to look at how high the strings sit off of the neck at the 12th fret (good place to look), you and her will thank me later for the lower action. You'll also want to run your finger down the "edge" of the neck where the radius meets the flat part (no strings there), on the top and bottom of the guitar. You do this so you can feel where the frets meet the wood. Sharps edges can be uncomfortable while playing (in extreme cases cause little cuts), and it's a sign of a lower quality guitar that didn't get as much attention paid to the details. So check for little sharp pieces of frets or any that might stick up high off the neck (they will sometimes buzz on that single note). These are some of the little things that effect how the guitar feels and plays that most people don't know to look for. Notice everyone said you need to PLAY the guitar, not just buy it online, I agree with this, but have some advice. Use the online and catalog people to your advantage. Almost every single music store I know will match prices of Musician's friend, Mars Music, Guitar Center (bought out Mars, etc). So you can go to a "Jent's" or "Tarpley's" or lots of other places and play guitars, and they will usually match the prices of the big catalogue people, or come pretty close. It's great to do this because you get a guitar for the same price, you get to take it home THEN, and you also get to see and feel the characteristics of THAT guitar, you know EXACTLY what you're getting. Small differences on guitars, and even slight changes in densities of the wood effect their characteristics, and you can have 2 guitar side by side made on the same day, 1 number apart and they may still sound different. So play to your hearts desire and then if it's the one she likes and you have a price from online or the catalog that is better, STICK IT TO THEM. They hate it, lol, but they'll do it because they need to compete.

Remember that it's usually trade offs for certain features, so try to find one that sounds good, she likes the feel of, that has a lower action. Hope that helps, and feel free to message me if you have any questions about particular guitars, or I need to clarify anything. Hope these are some helpful tips or information and best of luck to you and your daughter.
 
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Just to build on the excellent suggestions of tomcat and others above, if you buy from guitar center and do not like it they will take it back., so you can pretty much demo any guitar in the store and if it is not what you thought it was just take it back, or send it back. I bought a $2000 Gibson sg 1961 reissue and when I got it home it did not sound as good as when I played it in the store, so I took it back and ended up with an outstanding Les Paul that I absolutely love. Now if we could just do that with rifles and scopes!!!!
 
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I've been playing for about 30 years, and have owned or tried pretty much all the various types of guitars, save some of the exotics.

Guitars are like friends, you know one when you meet them. For me, there is an affinity that presents itself almost immediately. Maybe that is because I now know what I like. But, Tomcat808 summed it all up pretty well. The brands he mentioned, Yamaha, Takamanie, Guild, Ibanez, are all the mainstays of that middle market. The online stores he mentioned are all pretty good, I bought from each of them.

He brought up a particulary important point, that they all are built slightly differently. Neck shape, neck width, and neck thickness - dont think that all guitar necks pretty much the same - they are very different. Try various models and ask about the neck - find one that fits her hand.
Taylor makes smaller necks -

There is one I keep thinking about.. a Taylor 210. I know was a 2 series, it was in the price range of about 300-500. I dont remember exactly, but that was a beautiful sounding, and easy to play instrument.
I personally feel that beginners should lean toward a brighter sounding guitar, like at Taylor as opposed to a Martin which has a more mellow sound.

The choices: an electric while easier to play, needs an amplifier. An acoustic which is tougher on the beginners fingers, does not get that rock sound as with an electric. Also, when wanting to practice you'll have to cart the amp with you. You can hear an unamplified electric, but its pretty soft.
Some acoustics have pickups built in for an amp, but beginners seldom need this.

A guitars 'action' is the term for how close the strings are to the neck. Too close is no good, it creates a very annoying buzz and is the hallmark of a cheap guitar or one that is not setup properly. Too high of an action and the guitar becomes difficult to play. But most guitars these day are setup optimally or pretty close. Check the thickest strings around the 12 fret for buzz, there may be some or very slight, but no gross buzzes should be apparent.

Go to the stores, pick a price range, have her play em, take some notes, and try to buy the one you like best.
One last piece of advice - try to stay away from the el cheapo price range - usually these are not worth the money, they dont stay in tune, have sharp edges, have poor playability.

I was very fortunate that my parents bought me a Gibson acoustic as my first guitar and it still is a joy to play.

Good luck - if you have any questions contact me.

Tomcat
 
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Well we wound up with a Takamine EG334C off the Craigslist classifieds . Its a 13 year old guitar that was probably played for about an hour total in its life . The plastic peel off on the pick gaurd was still on it and it didn't even have any scratches on it . It has a lot more volume than the old junker she was playing , the action is very nice and I figure any of the warping , twisting and general crap thats gonna happen to the wood has already happened .

It was kind of funny as when we pulled up to the house I recognized the last name and it wound up being an old buddy of my dads that he has known for over 40 years and used to play music with .

Paid 300 bucks with a hard case , tuner , capo and some picks so it seems I got a pretty fair deal .

This picture doesn't really do it justice but here it is .
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: One-Eyed Jack</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I hope it came with a silencer... </div></div>

I like listening to her play
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If she likes the way it plays and sounds, you got a good deal. I've played several Takamines that sounded awesome and played great, and then I've played some that are just the opposite. Good find!
 
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Sounds like you got a pretty good price on a nice guitar. It sounds like it was brand new. Most guitars as long as their kept in proper humidity will not warp too much. The tension from the strings on the neck will sometimes cause a little bit of bowing, that's what the truss rod in the neck is for, and it will usually correct problems associated with string tension. You may look into getting a humidifier for the guitar. Even a cheap one like this is better than nothing http://accessories.musiciansfriend.com/product/Planet-Waves-Acoustic-Guitar-Humidifier?sku=420552 . I'll protect your investment and keep it from warping or getting dry and cracking. I hope that she loves it, and glad that you like to hear her play. She looks like she's coming along nicely and will only get better. Great job on nice "cheaping out" on guitar or thinking that they're all created equally. I think with your hobby you understand how sometimes you gotta bite the bullet and spend a little more, you'll all appreciate it in the end, and it sounds like your ear can already tell. Best of luck
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