Anyone want to educate themselves?

[Srikaleak]

Free Gun Violence Prevention Course Launches To Educate Young Activists

Researchers want new activists to lean on decades of public health research when engaging in work with policymakers and candidates seeking elective office.

www.npr.org

I am planning on taking it and being as objective as I can with it. Will it be anti-gun messaging or actual facts about gun violence and proper education on reducing gun violence without relying on the "remove all guns" trope?

It'll at least be good to update ourselves on relevant statistics and create valid counter arguments when anti-gunners start mouthing off.

 

[Sean the Nailer]

Continue, with buckets of patience and pallets of logic.

 

[pmclaine]

They will get the statistics it is designed to give.

40,000 gun deaths.

Without guns 30,000 of those would be bridge jumpers and the other 10,000 would be bludgeoning and stabbings.

 

[Maggot]

Keep us informed.

Nevermind, I jsut signed up to take it for free. Johns Hopkins is a fine University. Hopefully they will be un biased.

 

[Crang]

They will get the statistics it is designed to give.

40,000 gun deaths.

Without guns 30,000 of those would be bridge jumpers and the other 10,000 would be bludgeoning and stabbings.

300 rifle deaths/year. 700 dead from falling out of bed a year. What are we looking to ban again?

 

[Inifinty]

It’s a nice thought but they don’t want the guns to make people more safe. That’s the lie they hide the real agenda behind.

The politicians and thier real bosses want the guns so they can hurry up and ramrod the rest the iceberg, of which we’ve only only seen the tip of, down everyone’s throats.

 

[Maggot]

I think that if we believe the statistics in the study will be biased we should learn from our enemies. The OP and I are taking it and will discuss the study here. It actually looks pretty interesting.

 

[Zeroit]

I drive by a billboard it says 4.6 million children have access to loaded firearms. My first thought was since when did they give a shit about kids? Abortions and after they are born. Second thought was if they are exposed to firearms the correct way why not more? Lastly how many have drug dealers for parent(s) ? Probably at least 4.6 million (conservative figure I'm guessing) yes there's ways to have firearms available to the protectors and doing it a safe fashion. Locked in a safe is not really available in a I need it now situation?

 

[Zeroit]

300 rifle deaths/year. 700 dead from falling out of bed a year. What are we looking to ban again?

You may have forgotten about the medical deaths that were preventable I can't remember the numbers it's staggering in comparison.

 

[Zeroit]

I think that if we believe the statistics in the study will be biased we should learn from our enemies. The OP and I are taking it and will discuss the study here. It actually looks pretty interesting.

It would be nice if they broke down the statistics alot i.e accidental ,drug related, stolen guns,etc. suicide in particular because anyone hell bent will use any means guns are only a convenient method take guns out of the equation doubt the numbers would change. My point statistics can be twisted for any point of view.

 

[Carlos Danger]

I drive by a billboard it says 4.6 million children have access to loaded firearms. My first thought was since when did they give a shit about kids? Abortions and after they are born. Second thought was if they are exposed to firearms the correct way why not more? Lastly how many have drug dealers for parent(s) ? Probably at least 4.6 million (conservative figure I'm guessing) yes there's ways to have firearms available to the protectors and doing it a safe fashion. Locked in a safe is not really available in a I need it now situation?

That's all? Hoping it was well over 10 million.

 

[Maggot]

It would be nice if they broke down the statistics alot i.e accidental ,drug related, stolen guns,etc. suicide in particular because anyone hell bent will use any means guns are only a convenient method take guns out of the equation doubt the numbers would change. My point statistics can be twisted for any point of view.

Of course they can, thats not the point. Hopkins is a major medical/teaching hospital and affiliated with Walter Reed, one of the VA'amain facilities.

Hopefully they will do a relatively unbiased study. Either way it pays to know how they think and reason. That can indicate future moves.

 

[deersniper]

Keep us informed.

Nevermind, I jsut signed up to take it for free. Johns Hopkins is a fine University. Hopefully they will be un biased.

Lmfao.

Open your eyes.

Bought and paid for like just about everyone else. They have been on that despot Bloombergs payroll for a long long time
Just a small snippet:

 

[Rthur]

An article about child deaths per year:
https://www.stanfordchildrens.org/en/topic/default?id=accident-statistics-90-P02853
A couple of interesting catagories responsible for the most deaths:
Falls account for 75%
100 bicycle deaths or .0083%
Each year 2000(16.6%) die as a result of the following:
Fire and burns, suffocation, drowning, firearms, falls, choking and poisoning.

So even if all 2000 were firearms related with the above numbers of children being exposed
to firearms they have a .00043% chance of death.
Something to garnered from these numbers...

R

 

[pmclaine]

An article about child deaths per year:
https://www.stanfordchildrens.org/en/topic/default?id=accident-statistics-90-P02853
A couple of interesting catagories responsible for the most deaths:
Falls account for 75%
100 bicycle deaths or .0083%
Each year 2000(16.6%) die as a result of the following:
Fire and burns, suffocation, drowning, firearms, falls, choking and poisoning.

So even if all 2000 were firearms related with the above numbers of children being exposed
to firearms they have a .00043% chance of death.
Something to garnered from these numbers...

R

I dont know how I escaped dying from fire......dumping gas on fires, igniting gunpowder with Bics (and burning the shit out of that hand when it flashes up), playing with matches in the woods.......God must favor fools.

 

[Maggot]

I dont know how I escaped dying from fire......dumping gas on fires, igniting gunpowder with Bics (and burning the shit out of that hand when it flashes up), playing with matches in the woods.......God must favor fools.

I heard it a bit different from an old black guy who cut timber on my crew.

"I always believed that God takes care of chillins and damn fools, but since that tree hit me I learns to looks out fo mahselfs"

Calvin Bradley- Naruna, Virginia -circa 1977

 

[Maggot]

Lmfao.

Open your eyes.

Bought and paid for like just about everyone else. They have been on that despot Bloombergs payroll for a long long time
Just a small snippet:


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Open yours. If you dont want to do it, dont. Dont fault me for seeing what they have to say. So far its interesting and not different from what I expected.

 

[Srikaleak]

I haven't had the time to look it over yet. Hopefully by Wednesday I'll get a good look at it.

 

[pmclaine]

Guessing the questions will be like.....

Some people say we need more gun control. Do you favor....

a) More gun control

b) Total gun control

c) Repeal of the second amendment

 

[Maggot]

Guessing the questions will be like.....

Some people say we need more gun control. Do you favor....

a) More gun control

b) Total gun control

c) Repeal of the second amendment

Guessing the questions will be like.....

Some people say we need more gun control. Do you favor....

a) More gun control

b) Total gun control

c) Repeal of the second amendment

So far not at all. The strongest conclusion Ive found is that "Keeping guns locked and unloaded would lead to less accidental shootings."

Im entering the course with the attitude " The only way to end all gun violence, is to magically get rid of ALL guns and that magic prevents the creation of any more.' AL'L means every one on earth, military, etc. That would end all gun violence. Wouldnt do much for knives clubs, autos, etc. but it would end all gun problems. LOL

 

[Mike Casselton]

It would be nice if they broke down the statistics alot i.e accidental ,drug related, stolen guns,etc. suicide in particular because anyone hell bent will use any means guns are only a convenient method take guns out of the equation doubt the numbers would change. My point statistics can be twisted for any point of view.

The biggest issue with using the word child (or children) is they don't use a common standard of age.
For some statistics, it's 12 and under. Others it's 16 and under.
I've seen stats that they used 26 and under to skew the results until the numbers they wanted showed up.
It's a joke

 

[EddieNFL]

With "Gun Violence" in the title, I'll give odds...

Is gun violence really a thing? I'm more concerned about crashes caused by automobile negligence.

 

[EddieNFL]

So far not at all. The strongest conclusion Ive found is that "Keeping guns locked and unloaded would lead to less accidental shootings."

Im entering the course with the attitude " The only way to end all gun violence, is to magically get rid of ALL guns and that magic prevents the creation of any more.' AL'L means every one on earth, military, etc.

You'll have to go far beyond that. All tech data related to firearms and tools used to manufacture firearms would have to be eliminated. After that, destroy the ability of man to think of building a firearm. Curious to see how that last one is accomplished.

 

[Maggot]

You'll have to go far beyond that. All tech data related to firearms and tools used to manufacture firearms would have to be eliminated. After that, destroy the ability of man to think of building a firearm. Curious to see how that last one is accomplished.

I think you missed my use of 'magically' which covers all those bases.

 

[EddieNFL]

I think you missed my use of 'magically' which covers all those bases.

I think that last one would require a very special magic.

 

[EddieNFL]

Some indicators of which way the wind will blow.

"And sort of push back against some of the claims you hear like, 'Oh, you know the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun,' " Crifasi said, a nod to the mantra embraced by many gun rights groups, in particular the National Rifle Association.

Crifasi says information in the course addresses "that myth."

She expects blowback from gun rights groups about the course.

When asked if anyone from gun rights organizations was invited to participate as faculty in the course, the response was blunt.

"No, we did not. For a variety of reasons," Crifasi said.

Crifasi claims to be a "responsible gun owner."

 

[supercorndogs]

If they call it "gun violence" its biased.

 

[pmclaine]

Crifasi claims to be a "responsible gun owner."

In their mind that is a person that decides not to own guns.

 

[FS1]

I think you should go to the class wearing a "Kill em all, let God sort them out" t-shirt.

 

[Maggot]

I think you should go to the class wearing a "Kill em all, let God sort them out" t-shirt.

I dont have one of those. I do have them that say:

-Infidel
-Barrett Long Range Basics
-I Love Guns and Coffee (with a Starbucks fake emblem)

 

[Rthur]

With "Gun Violence" in the title, I'll give odds...

Is gun violence really a thing? I'm more concerned about crashes caused by automobile negligence.

R's new definition to "violence".
A successful buzz word that conveys action to an inanimate object.

Another one recently coined.
Bullshitification-
verb, Changing the meaning of a word to support an ideology.


R

 

[Rick H.]

The biggest issue with using the word child (or children) is they don't use a common standard of age.
For some statistics, it's 12 and under. Others it's 16 and under.
I've seen stats that they used 26 and under to skew the results until the numbers they wanted showed up.
It's a joke

Lots of studies use 21 as the age line, and I have seen some use 25 (might be what you also referred to).
If you use either 21 or 25, then how many people in our military would then be considered part of their defined group of "children"???

 

[Snuby642]

You honestly think any Institute of higher learning anywhere is going to be unbiased?
They are the breeding ground and nursery of anti 2A.

 

[Blue Sky Country]

You may have forgotten about the medical deaths that were preventable I can't remember the numbers it's staggering in comparison.

250,000 per year in the US. It is the third ranking major cause of death with heart disease being the first and I believe tobacco-related cancers and diseases in the second. Firearm deaths do not even hold a candle to this list. It is located way below, almost at the bottom.

 

[Blue Sky Country]

You'll have to go far beyond that. All tech data related to firearms and tools used to manufacture firearms would have to be eliminated. After that, destroy the ability of man to think of building a firearm. Curious to see how that last one is accomplished.

They do not want firearms eliminated. They want a full and solid monopoly on them. That is, guns only in the hands of their ruling cadres and a force of closely monitored and closely regulated enforcers. These enforcers will be then given permission to raid property and seize individuals at will in order to catch those few who break the monopoly by owning firearms and discouraging the rest from doing the same.

The platitudes of getting rid of guns to "achieve world peace" and eliminating crime are just ear candy to fool and entrap the masses, especially young idealists who have not seen and experienced the reality of life yet. Anyone who does a little bit of thinking can see straight through this bullshit and they know that despite all the efforts they put into propaganda, there will be a percentage of those who are skeptical of their actions. They play a numbers game. If more than 50% of the population can be bought, the tighter the noose they can wrap around the remaining group of dangerous nonconformists, skeptics, and individualists. The 'gay agenda' and militant feminism that is being pushed by all of the major media outlets, education system and Hollywood is just one example of this process of numbing minds and implementing a slow kind of mass fervor. Do you think those school officials, movie magnates, and editorial writers who are vehemently pushing the public to embrace the gay/genderfluid agenda are gay or trans or feminists themselves? They are not. They are wealthy, patriarchal, domineering, heterosexual, and high rolling socialites who live like royalty, enjoy the protection of private armed security, and indulge in the pleasure of mistresses and extramarital sex. They are using the 'gay agenda' and feminism because they know that this will create a false sense of empowerment among the masses, thus creating a lure for folks to feast on and buy into. And that is the gateway to population control.

It is all about control. No different than the kings of ancient Assyria or the Muslim warrior sultans. Those who want to rule with absolute power do not want people to have the ability to shoot back at them. If they can use sugarcoated idealist lies and false kindness to get a majority of the populace to follow them, it will be easier for them to monitor and eliminate the smaller minority who refuse to follow them.

 

[WaltHer]

I signed up to take this as well. It is important to hear what our (likely ) enemies have to say. Especially when those comments are coming from Inztituions of Hyer Learnin. We all know that figures lie and liars figure, but the figures these (probable) liars put forth may be the ammunition used by pols and the .gov to wage the war of public opinion.

 

[Maggot]

I signed up to take this as well. It is important to hear what our (likely ) enemies have to say. Especially when those comments are coming from Inztituions of Hyer Learnin. We all know that figures lie and liars figure, but the figures these (probable) liars put forth may be the ammunition used by pols and the .gov to wage the war of public opinion.

Eggggsactly.

 

[Rthur]

A challenging prospect when your opponent moves the "goal posts" at will and with
the MSM's support.
You can not debate someone that is adverse to facts and logic.

R

 

[Maggot]

A challenging prospect when your opponent moves the "goal posts" at will and with
the MSM's support.
You can not debate someone that is adverse to facts and logic.

R

Agreed. but who said anything about debate? Ihavent done anything academic in a long time and just want to see what they have to say.

 

[Snuby642]

I believe you guys are in for a rough time.

A. You get sick in class and throw up because the state of affairs is that bad.

B. You get escorted off campus because liberals can't take having the truth stuck up thier ass.

I don't think it's really an educational class, rather set up to indoctrinate new snowflakes.

Can't wait to get feedback.

 

[Srikaleak]

I don't think it's really an educational class, rather set up to indoctrinate new snowflakes.

Can't wait to get feedback.

Indoctrination can go both ways. If we can create convincing counter arguments using their statistics and methods, then we have the potential of winning over many people who are on the fence or are being emotionally manipulated.

 

[Maggot]

Indoctrination can go both ways. If we can create convincing counter arguments using their statistics and methods, then we have the potential of winning over many people who are on the fence or are being emotionally manipulated.

Know your enemy.

 

[Rthur]

Agreed. but who said anything about debate? Ihavent done anything academic in a long time and just want to see what they have to say.

Whether we recognize it or not the "debate" is being had in the court of public opinion.

R

 

[pmclaine]

and most of the 32% will cause a rise in self hangings, wrist cutting, bridge jumping..

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...educed-32-Americans-securely-stored-guns.html

 

[clcustom1911]

300 rifle deaths/year. 700 dead from falling out of bed a year. What are we looking to ban again?

Gotta ban ban beds. Duh.

 

[clcustom1911]

Signed up. We'll see how it goes. As a cop, it helps to be at least "aware" of all viewpoints.

 

[Nik H]

Lmfao.

Open your eyes.

Bought and paid for like just about everyone else. They have been on that despot Bloombergs payroll for a long long time
Just a small snippet:


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Exactly

I doubt anything meaningful will emerge from this that you couldn't find yourself by reading the statistics released by the Government agencies. This will likely be nothing more than a portrayal of the data to fit the AMA agenda of eliminating guns.

I am hopeful that I am wrong

 

[clcustom1911]

Going through the course right now.

 

[308pirate]

Open yours. If you dont want to do it, dont. Dont fault me for seeing what they have to say. So far its interesting and not different from what I expected.

Who cares what they have to say? John Hopkins is tainted.

 

[clcustom1911]

Fresh in from the course. ....... Gun buyers with no criminal history are likely to follow the law better than the rest of the general population.