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Re: ar buffers
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SSG3K</div><div class="ubbcode-body">h2</div></div>
Yeaup, I love my BCM H2!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SSG3K</div><div class="ubbcode-body">h2</div></div>
Yeaup, I love my BCM H2!
Re: ar buffers
Need more info.
- Barrel Length?
- Gas System? (DI, Piston, Carbine, Pistol, or Rifle Length)
- Rifle or carbine buffer?
There are two ways to achieve what you are looking for.
1. Get as heavy buffer & spring as will function with your desired config.
(Added benefit to this is increased reliability due to more mass.)
2. Get a JP light Bolt carrier & JP buffer system and tune everything.
(Added benefit to this is increased cyclic rate and less total movement of the weapon due to reciprocating mass.)
The down side to this is that the rife is less tolerant to variances in ammo or environmental conditions.
My choice is to go with the heavy setup, but the JP light weight setup is a better performer.
Think of the JP system as a F1 race car.
If you are looking to go with a heavy setup, call Clint at http://www.heavybuffers.com/.
They can give you some good advice over the phone and point you in the right direction.
Need more info.
- Barrel Length?
- Gas System? (DI, Piston, Carbine, Pistol, or Rifle Length)
- Rifle or carbine buffer?
There are two ways to achieve what you are looking for.
1. Get as heavy buffer & spring as will function with your desired config.
(Added benefit to this is increased reliability due to more mass.)
2. Get a JP light Bolt carrier & JP buffer system and tune everything.
(Added benefit to this is increased cyclic rate and less total movement of the weapon due to reciprocating mass.)
The down side to this is that the rife is less tolerant to variances in ammo or environmental conditions.
My choice is to go with the heavy setup, but the JP light weight setup is a better performer.
Think of the JP system as a F1 race car.
If you are looking to go with a heavy setup, call Clint at http://www.heavybuffers.com/.
They can give you some good advice over the phone and point you in the right direction.
Re: ar buffers
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sniper81</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i want to put in a new buffer in my stag model 3 but i dont know much about them i want one that will make the recoil of the gun nill to nothing any info would be great </div></div>
The buffer alone will not reduce recoil. An adjustable gas block and muzzle break along with the buffer are part of the solution you are looking for.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sniper81</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i want to put in a new buffer in my stag model 3 but i dont know much about them i want one that will make the recoil of the gun nill to nothing any info would be great </div></div>
The buffer alone will not reduce recoil. An adjustable gas block and muzzle break along with the buffer are part of the solution you are looking for.
Re: ar buffers
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: m_gale</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The buffer alone will not reduce recoil. An adjustable gas block and muzzle break along with the buffer are part of the solution you are looking for.</div></div>
Yea, I run a suppressor on my ARs, and I put a JP Ent adjustable gas block on my carbine as well as the H2 buffer. Works great, keeps the recoil down and helps keep my face cleaner lol.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: m_gale</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The buffer alone will not reduce recoil. An adjustable gas block and muzzle break along with the buffer are part of the solution you are looking for.</div></div>
Yea, I run a suppressor on my ARs, and I put a JP Ent adjustable gas block on my carbine as well as the H2 buffer. Works great, keeps the recoil down and helps keep my face cleaner lol.
Re: ar buffers
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sniper81</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i want to put in a new buffer in my stag model 3 but i dont know much about them i want one that will make the recoil of the gun nill to nothing any info would be great </div></div>
If you don't know anything about buffers, why would you want to go messing with it?
A heavier buffer may create less "perceived" recoil, but its going to be so minor, you won't notice much difference.
Is your gun malfunctioning now? Are you planning to run suppressed? If no on both, leave it alone.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sniper81</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i want to put in a new buffer in my stag model 3 but i dont know much about them i want one that will make the recoil of the gun nill to nothing any info would be great </div></div>
If you don't know anything about buffers, why would you want to go messing with it?
A heavier buffer may create less "perceived" recoil, but its going to be so minor, you won't notice much difference.
Is your gun malfunctioning now? Are you planning to run suppressed? If no on both, leave it alone.
Re: ar buffers
switch to a light weight carrier, buffer, and extra powered spring, add a brake and an adjustable gas block.
Adjust the gas to be reliable with the weakest loads you intend to shoot and rock on
switch to a light weight carrier, buffer, and extra powered spring, add a brake and an adjustable gas block.
Adjust the gas to be reliable with the weakest loads you intend to shoot and rock on
Re: ar buffers
I'll agree with what many have said. It's not a cheap and easy fix to take your AR from light to zero recoil. It originates past the muzzle and goes all the way back to your shoulder. Every part directly related to handling the round after firing can be modified to reduce recoil.
You can throw money at it with parts, or go out and buy you an M&P22.
I'll agree with what many have said. It's not a cheap and easy fix to take your AR from light to zero recoil. It originates past the muzzle and goes all the way back to your shoulder. Every part directly related to handling the round after firing can be modified to reduce recoil.
You can throw money at it with parts, or go out and buy you an M&P22.
Re: ar buffers
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A good muzzle control device will go a long way to reducing muzzle climb and recoil.
Buffers can also help, but overgassing is probably the issue. Adjustable gas blocks may be a better way of attacking the problem, but I hesitate to use the allen screw type personally because I'm not aware of any mechanism keeping the adjustment stable over time. I don't like to do gimmicky alterations to guns.
Heavier buffers are available in the form of the H3, and also the MGI RRB.
You might find that one of them can help.
There are also heavier operating springs such as the CS +20% and increasing the spring weight should technically operate a lot like increasing the buffer weight (reducing bolt speed on the rearward stroke). That would seem to have the added benefit of not increasing the operating mass, but would also have the negative aspect in that bolt speed on the return stroke would increase- and that is part of the overall subjective feel of recoil.
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A good muzzle control device will go a long way to reducing muzzle climb and recoil.
Buffers can also help, but overgassing is probably the issue. Adjustable gas blocks may be a better way of attacking the problem, but I hesitate to use the allen screw type personally because I'm not aware of any mechanism keeping the adjustment stable over time. I don't like to do gimmicky alterations to guns.
Heavier buffers are available in the form of the H3, and also the MGI RRB.
You might find that one of them can help.
There are also heavier operating springs such as the CS +20% and increasing the spring weight should technically operate a lot like increasing the buffer weight (reducing bolt speed on the rearward stroke). That would seem to have the added benefit of not increasing the operating mass, but would also have the negative aspect in that bolt speed on the return stroke would increase- and that is part of the overall subjective feel of recoil.
Re: ar buffers
I have a battlecomp 2.0 on my carbine coupled with an H2 buffer, the recoil is a tab bit more than a 10/22 rifle... 3 of my friends rushed out to pick a battlecomp up the next week. Highly recommend doing that! Go to aimsurplus, add the comp then enter Gundeals in the coupon section. It's a steal for that price!
I have a battlecomp 2.0 on my carbine coupled with an H2 buffer, the recoil is a tab bit more than a 10/22 rifle... 3 of my friends rushed out to pick a battlecomp up the next week. Highly recommend doing that! Go to aimsurplus, add the comp then enter Gundeals in the coupon section. It's a steal for that price!
Re: ar buffers
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Griffin Armament</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I hesitate to use the allen screw type personally because I'm not aware of any mechanism keeping the adjustment stable over time. I don't like to do gimmicky alterations to guns.</div></div>
I have the JPE block with the allen screw, and so far after a few hundred rounds it hasn't budged. I used good ole blue loctite and so far so good, but only time will tell.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Griffin Armament</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I hesitate to use the allen screw type personally because I'm not aware of any mechanism keeping the adjustment stable over time. I don't like to do gimmicky alterations to guns.</div></div>
I have the JPE block with the allen screw, and so far after a few hundred rounds it hasn't budged. I used good ole blue loctite and so far so good, but only time will tell.
Re: ar buffers
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PGTBrow</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Griffin Armament</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I hesitate to use the allen screw type personally because I'm not aware of any mechanism keeping the adjustment stable over time. I don't like to do gimmicky alterations to guns.</div></div>
I have the JPE block with the allen screw, and so far after a few hundred rounds it hasn't budged. I used good ole blue loctite and so far so good, but only time will tell. </div></div>
I don't have experience that suggests it's a bad idea, I would just be more comfortable with a system that had click adjustments like a FN FAL or something like that.
I designed a gas system once that was an adjustable tube that conceptually had a FN FAL style detented nut threaded to the tube / opening or closing a gas exhaust port as opposed to adjusting the port opening size, but didn't manufacture it because it would probably have been pretty expensive to get into.
The blocks are around, so they must work, but I've wondered how, as the blocks get very hot during rapid fire.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PGTBrow</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Griffin Armament</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I hesitate to use the allen screw type personally because I'm not aware of any mechanism keeping the adjustment stable over time. I don't like to do gimmicky alterations to guns.</div></div>
I have the JPE block with the allen screw, and so far after a few hundred rounds it hasn't budged. I used good ole blue loctite and so far so good, but only time will tell. </div></div>
I don't have experience that suggests it's a bad idea, I would just be more comfortable with a system that had click adjustments like a FN FAL or something like that.
I designed a gas system once that was an adjustable tube that conceptually had a FN FAL style detented nut threaded to the tube / opening or closing a gas exhaust port as opposed to adjusting the port opening size, but didn't manufacture it because it would probably have been pretty expensive to get into.
The blocks are around, so they must work, but I've wondered how, as the blocks get very hot during rapid fire.
Re: ar buffers
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Griffin Armament</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't have experience that suggests it's a bad idea, I would just be more comfortable with a system that had click adjustments like a FN FAL or something like that.
I designed a gas system once that was an adjustable tube that conceptually had a FN FAL style detented nut threaded to the tube / opening or closing a gas exhaust port as opposed to adjusting the port opening size, but didn't manufacture it because it would probably have been pretty expensive to get into.
The blocks are around, so they must work, but I've wondered how, as the blocks get very hot during rapid fire. </div></div>
I would love to have used a Noveske Switch block but I need a front BUIS and didn't want to buy a railed handguard.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Griffin Armament</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't have experience that suggests it's a bad idea, I would just be more comfortable with a system that had click adjustments like a FN FAL or something like that.
I designed a gas system once that was an adjustable tube that conceptually had a FN FAL style detented nut threaded to the tube / opening or closing a gas exhaust port as opposed to adjusting the port opening size, but didn't manufacture it because it would probably have been pretty expensive to get into.
The blocks are around, so they must work, but I've wondered how, as the blocks get very hot during rapid fire. </div></div>
I would love to have used a Noveske Switch block but I need a front BUIS and didn't want to buy a railed handguard.
Re: ar buffers
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PGTBrow</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Griffin Armament</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't have experience that suggests it's a bad idea, I would just be more comfortable with a system that had click adjustments like a FN FAL or something like that.
I designed a gas system once that was an adjustable tube that conceptually had a FN FAL style detented nut threaded to the tube / opening or closing a gas exhaust port as opposed to adjusting the port opening size, but didn't manufacture it because it would probably have been pretty expensive to get into.
The blocks are around, so they must work, but I've wondered how, as the blocks get very hot during rapid fire. </div></div>
I would love to have used a Noveske Switch block but I need a front BUIS and didn't want to buy a railed handguard. </div></div>
The switchblock looks like a great product- military style in that it is not gadgety, but it is fairly spendy also. So I guess he ran into the problem I did, which is that a good solution is expensive.
It would be nice to see someone like Colt or Stag come up with a similar solution in mass produced standard equipment form for more like $100 as opposed to $185.
Don't let my paranoia affect you unnecessarily, if your gas block works for you, that makes sense as they have existed for a long time on the market.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PGTBrow</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Griffin Armament</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't have experience that suggests it's a bad idea, I would just be more comfortable with a system that had click adjustments like a FN FAL or something like that.
I designed a gas system once that was an adjustable tube that conceptually had a FN FAL style detented nut threaded to the tube / opening or closing a gas exhaust port as opposed to adjusting the port opening size, but didn't manufacture it because it would probably have been pretty expensive to get into.
The blocks are around, so they must work, but I've wondered how, as the blocks get very hot during rapid fire. </div></div>
I would love to have used a Noveske Switch block but I need a front BUIS and didn't want to buy a railed handguard. </div></div>
The switchblock looks like a great product- military style in that it is not gadgety, but it is fairly spendy also. So I guess he ran into the problem I did, which is that a good solution is expensive.
It would be nice to see someone like Colt or Stag come up with a similar solution in mass produced standard equipment form for more like $100 as opposed to $185.
Don't let my paranoia affect you unnecessarily, if your gas block works for you, that makes sense as they have existed for a long time on the market.
