Is there anyone who makes a stainless 24" heavy barrel in 220 Swift for a AR 10 style upper by DPMS? Thanks
Gunsmithing AR with a 220 Swift barrel
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Re: AR with a 220 Swift barrel
Anything can be done with sufficient money.
Isn't the Swift rimmed?
Load the mags wrong and it will jam.
Why not .22-250?
Anything can be done with sufficient money.
Isn't the Swift rimmed?
Load the mags wrong and it will jam.
Why not .22-250?
Re: AR with a 220 Swift barrel
If your looking for speed/varmint rifle I would suggest a 204 shilen barrel(comes with bolt headspaced correctly) about 400.00 and shoots factory ammo great. It's 24" and easy to clean. Rthur
BTW you will not need a ar-10 platform = alot cheaper to build
If your looking for speed/varmint rifle I would suggest a 204 shilen barrel(comes with bolt headspaced correctly) about 400.00 and shoots factory ammo great. It's 24" and easy to clean. Rthur
BTW you will not need a ar-10 platform = alot cheaper to build
Re: AR with a 220 Swift barrel
I like the 22-250 idea, any ideas on a 22-250 barrel? We are busting coyotes up in Clay and Wise county and the bolt action 220 Swifts are doing a real good job on em.
I like the 22-250 idea, any ideas on a 22-250 barrel? We are busting coyotes up in Clay and Wise county and the bolt action 220 Swifts are doing a real good job on em.
Re: AR with a 220 Swift barrel
We were out there today and the only guys who could really reach out there and touch em were the 220 Swift and .257 Weatherby guys.
We were out there today and the only guys who could really reach out there and touch em were the 220 Swift and .257 Weatherby guys.
Re: AR with a 220 Swift barrel
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bolter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We were out there today and the only guys who could really reach out there and touch em were the 220 Swift and .257 Weatherby guys.</div></div>
Here's the problem. The .220 Swift is semi-rimmed. {Edit: And no one makes mags for it}. It works tons better in a bolt gun. And the magazine/feed rails match it's case taper.
But, if you're looking for the simplest solution, just get a .243 barrel for your AR-10 configuration. You can shoot everything from 55's @ 4000+ fps on up to 117 gr. bullets. at close to 3000 fps. <span style="text-decoration: underline">And they feed right out of standard mags.</span>
But, if you feel you have to have a .224 cal then go with the .22/243 wildcat. No one to my knowledge makes magazines capable of handling the taper of the .22-250.
Next, would be to get the parts for .22 or 6mm BR/BRX in an AR-15 platform. Plenty of horsepower in them.
Longshot on this one, that you may trade some of your stuff for an AR-15 in one of the WSSM cartridges. Oly still makes the uppers and they give as good as any medium size case in that short AR-15 action.
-good luck
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bolter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We were out there today and the only guys who could really reach out there and touch em were the 220 Swift and .257 Weatherby guys.</div></div>
Here's the problem. The .220 Swift is semi-rimmed. {Edit: And no one makes mags for it}. It works tons better in a bolt gun. And the magazine/feed rails match it's case taper.
But, if you're looking for the simplest solution, just get a .243 barrel for your AR-10 configuration. You can shoot everything from 55's @ 4000+ fps on up to 117 gr. bullets. at close to 3000 fps. <span style="text-decoration: underline">And they feed right out of standard mags.</span>
But, if you feel you have to have a .224 cal then go with the .22/243 wildcat. No one to my knowledge makes magazines capable of handling the taper of the .22-250.
Next, would be to get the parts for .22 or 6mm BR/BRX in an AR-15 platform. Plenty of horsepower in them.
Longshot on this one, that you may trade some of your stuff for an AR-15 in one of the WSSM cartridges. Oly still makes the uppers and they give as good as any medium size case in that short AR-15 action.
-good luck
Re: AR with a 220 Swift barrel
Remember that when the varmint bolt guns are pushing the bullets they're on the upper end of pressure a lot of the time and that may not be good in an AR platform. 243 running normal pressure loads may be better.
Remember that when the varmint bolt guns are pushing the bullets they're on the upper end of pressure a lot of the time and that may not be good in an AR platform. 243 running normal pressure loads may be better.
Re: AR with a 220 Swift barrel
If the 220 Swift is too hot for the AR platform would a piston system with a gas port regulator allow the recoil to turned down to keep the action from slamming like the early .308 conversions did? thanks
If the 220 Swift is too hot for the AR platform would a piston system with a gas port regulator allow the recoil to turned down to keep the action from slamming like the early .308 conversions did? thanks
Re: AR with a 220 Swift barrel
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bolter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If the 220 Swift is too hot for the AR platform would a piston system with a gas port regulator allow the recoil to turned down to keep the action from slamming like the early .308 conversions did? thanks</div></div>
It's not the gas problem for a .220 Swift in the AR-10 platform. It's a fit and feed problem. The Swift will fit in an AR-10. Again, the problem is finding mags that hold it and feed it. Otherwise, it would work well gas-wise in that platform.
As I see it though, there are options that will: a) readily work in an AR10, and/or b) work just as well from an AR-15.
As you stated you have everything but the barrel, the .243 sounds like the most logical choice. My next choice would be a .25-08 (.25 Souper) or .260 Rem. The former would give better choices in the varmint range and the latter would give better choices for long range. Both would provide a wealth of hunting bullets that would fit the rifle/magazine.
It sounds like you have a little .220 Swift fever on this. I can understand. But, if you go that route you are going to end up hairless (from pulling it out) while trying to figure out how to feed the rifle. I'll reiterate, there's nothing wrong with the ballistics, it's all about how it won't play well in an AR platform.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bolter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If the 220 Swift is too hot for the AR platform would a piston system with a gas port regulator allow the recoil to turned down to keep the action from slamming like the early .308 conversions did? thanks</div></div>
It's not the gas problem for a .220 Swift in the AR-10 platform. It's a fit and feed problem. The Swift will fit in an AR-10. Again, the problem is finding mags that hold it and feed it. Otherwise, it would work well gas-wise in that platform.
As I see it though, there are options that will: a) readily work in an AR10, and/or b) work just as well from an AR-15.
As you stated you have everything but the barrel, the .243 sounds like the most logical choice. My next choice would be a .25-08 (.25 Souper) or .260 Rem. The former would give better choices in the varmint range and the latter would give better choices for long range. Both would provide a wealth of hunting bullets that would fit the rifle/magazine.
It sounds like you have a little .220 Swift fever on this. I can understand. But, if you go that route you are going to end up hairless (from pulling it out) while trying to figure out how to feed the rifle. I'll reiterate, there's nothing wrong with the ballistics, it's all about how it won't play well in an AR platform.
Re: AR with a 220 Swift barrel
What about a 22-250AI? Certainly should run with a Swift if you can get the gas tamed, and shouldn't present as many feeding issues.
What about a 22-250AI? Certainly should run with a Swift if you can get the gas tamed, and shouldn't present as many feeding issues.
Re: AR with a 220 Swift barrel
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pimpgun</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What about a 22-250AI? Certainly should run with a Swift if you can get the gas tamed, and shouldn't present as many feeding issues.</div></div>
That would work well. You would actually also have room to load long projectiles from that shorter case. And with very little massaging of the magazine feed lips it will load up that AR-10 very well. If that were the case I would figure out what you wanted for twist. If you went with a tighter twist you could go all the way up to 90 gr. bullets in .224. That may require a 1-7" or 1-8" twist. I will say though, that if you think about it, the high end 6mm's still have way better BC's than high end .224 bullets. That's what's going to give you a chance at the ranges you want to shoot. And the ability to buck wind. It's not just a case of shoving bullets out @ 4000 fps. Once they get out in the wind they need to be able to hold their energy against it. .224's are not the answer. They can get to 1k. But, you are going to find They don't work as well as the heavy 6mm's, .25's and 6.5mm's.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pimpgun</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What about a 22-250AI? Certainly should run with a Swift if you can get the gas tamed, and shouldn't present as many feeding issues.</div></div>
That would work well. You would actually also have room to load long projectiles from that shorter case. And with very little massaging of the magazine feed lips it will load up that AR-10 very well. If that were the case I would figure out what you wanted for twist. If you went with a tighter twist you could go all the way up to 90 gr. bullets in .224. That may require a 1-7" or 1-8" twist. I will say though, that if you think about it, the high end 6mm's still have way better BC's than high end .224 bullets. That's what's going to give you a chance at the ranges you want to shoot. And the ability to buck wind. It's not just a case of shoving bullets out @ 4000 fps. Once they get out in the wind they need to be able to hold their energy against it. .224's are not the answer. They can get to 1k. But, you are going to find They don't work as well as the heavy 6mm's, .25's and 6.5mm's.
Re: AR with a 220 Swift barrel
Give FoxPro a call, order one of their callers....if you do it right, I bet you could kill em with a baseball bat!! Works well here in Kansas.
I use a RRA AR in .223 and have taken a few @600yds with only one shot required. YMMV
Give FoxPro a call, order one of their callers....if you do it right, I bet you could kill em with a baseball bat!! Works well here in Kansas.
I use a RRA AR in .223 and have taken a few @600yds with only one shot required. YMMV
Re: AR with a 220 Swift barrel
.224 barrel
AR-10 platform
22-243 Middlestead chambering (243 necked down)
1-7" twist and 75+ gr bullets
75 gr AMAX reported to run around 3400-3600 fps and .5 MOA groups are the norm.
If I was going to run with a custom chambered barrel this is the way I'd go. Accurate, Fast, uses 243 mags, and can hunrt deer in most states (all if the gmae warden only checks the headstamp
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.224 barrel
AR-10 platform
22-243 Middlestead chambering (243 necked down)
1-7" twist and 75+ gr bullets
75 gr AMAX reported to run around 3400-3600 fps and .5 MOA groups are the norm.
If I was going to run with a custom chambered barrel this is the way I'd go. Accurate, Fast, uses 243 mags, and can hunrt deer in most states (all if the gmae warden only checks the headstamp
