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AR10 BCG - Not going into battery

NHPiper

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  • Feb 17, 2017
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    I just built my first Aero M5 build. Every 4 or 5 shots, the BCG doesnt go into battery all the way until I pull the trigger, but at that point the hammer can't fall hard enough to ignite the primers.

    NiB Toolcraft Machine BCG
    JP High Power 308 Carbine Buffer Spring
    Radical Arms AR10 Carbine Buffer
    Odin Works Adjustable Gas Block
    Ballistic Advantage 16" Barrel

    Gas block is tuned. I had the same problems with 147gr FMJs and reloads.

    I think the gas ring around the bolt is really tight and could maybe use some 1500 grit sandpaper and a polish. Any thoughts?

     
    First of all, I really hope you're not actually pulling the trigger on a hot chamber knowing that the bolt isn't fully in battery.

    Second, you've got a hodge podge of parts from all sorts of manufacturers most of which are middle of the road. The chance of unreliable function is much greater.

    Did you check headspace?
    If so, did you build up the go gauge with scotch tape to get precise measurement?
    If not you need to measure some fired brass at the very least that you know what they were sized to. Ideally verify headspace with go/no-go gauges and get a measurement using the tape method. It's best to do this with the bolt and barrel uninstalled and the ejector and extractor removed.

    Did you check the bolt fitment in the receiver extension to check for any burs or rough spots before assembly?

    You say you're gas block is tuned, how is it tuned?
    What ammo is it tuned for?
    Is it retuned or setting checked for other ammo?

    How are you determining that the gas ring is tight?
    Is the bore free of any rough areas?
    Have you tried swapping the gas rings?
    Have you tried the bolt in a different carrier?


    These are all things I would check. If they're all good I'd start with the buffer and spring. It's expensive but the JP VMOS will let you completely tune the weight and spring weight if it's the issue.
     
    If it's newly-built, it may just be that the bolt and barrel extension don't quite mate up just right yet. I had this happen on an AR15 build.
    Try this: with an empty gun, lock the bolt back then send it home using the bolt release. Do this a dozen times and see if things are loosened up a bit the next time you run through a mag.
     
    The OP could actually be correct,.. I've hade the same happen to me with an older JP/ Maga build, IT WAS the Gas Rings! They were so tight when I release the bolt to chamber a round it would not go into full battery, during the firing sequence it would chamber properly due to the recoil impulse giving it more oomph.

    OP, even if this is your primary culprit you still need to follow the steps that redneckBMXER24 laid out for you.. it is extremely important you properly headspace your barrel and Bolt on large frame AR's.
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    this fixed it for me....
    http://jprifles.com/buy.php?item=JPEGR-308
     
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    First of all, I really hope you're not actually pulling the trigger on a hot chamber knowing that the bolt isn't fully in battery.

    Second, you've got a hodge podge of parts from all sorts of manufacturers most of which are middle of the road. The chance of unreliable function is much greater.

    Did you check headspace?
    If so, did you build up the go gauge with scotch tape to get precise measurement?
    If not you need to measure some fired brass at the very least that you know what they were sized to. Ideally verify headspace with go/no-go gauges and get a measurement using the tape method. It's best to do this with the bolt and barrel uninstalled and the ejector and extractor removed.

    Did you check the bolt fitment in the receiver extension to check for any burs or rough spots before assembly?

    You say you're gas block is tuned, how is it tuned?
    What ammo is it tuned for?
    Is it retuned or setting checked for other ammo?

    How are you determining that the gas ring is tight?
    Is the bore free of any rough areas?
    Have you tried swapping the gas rings?
    Have you tried the bolt in a different carrier?


    These are all things I would check. If they're all good I'd start with the buffer and spring. It's expensive but the JP VMOS will let you completely tune the weight and spring weight if it's the issue.



    Hi all, thanks for the responses. The bolt carrier slides in and out of the the upper smoothly into the barrel extension when the upper is pulled off the lower. The bolt on the other hand is really tight, even with CLP but I don't think it is the gas rings. I think it is the raised-ring just behind the teeth that keeps the bolt centered. I took some 2000 grit sandpaper to it very lightly and polished it and definitely improved its function. This rifle is intended to be a lightweight battle rifle capable of 1MOA or better, not a precision gun.

    In regards to Redneckbmxer24; I did not pull the trigger intentionally knowing that the bolt wasn't fully in battery. I should have clarified. The bolt was fully in battery, but the bolt carrier was not. And I didn't realize what was going on until I got it on video. I did check headspace using a tape method and once fired brass with a piece of tape measuring .0045 in thickness, the bolt would not close.

    The bolt is free of burrs, but I don't know about the extension. The gas block is tuned for surplus MEN 147gr Nato ammo which clocked at 2580fps using a magneto speed. I shot 148 rounds of it and had this hangup 6 or 8 times. I also shot 18 rounds of some old hand loads using Nosler 168gr CC over 44gr of Varget, which pushed bullets at 2635fps. Of those rounds shot, the bolt carrier didn't fully close one time but the bolt was fully locked up.

    I have not swapped gas rings, the bolt or carrier into a different upper because these are the only ones I have on hand. Measuring OAL of the MEN ammo shows that they are all within SAMMI OAL. The 168 handloads I shot were originally made for a bolt gun and had much longer base to ogive, I had to single load in the magazines. These chambered without issue.

    I am using a standard AR15 milspec carbine buffer tube with a JP Carbine-Length Extra Power Polished 308 Recoil Spring. As far as changing buffers, I originally ordered a Spikes T2 and quickly found out it was too long for the AR15 tube, which is how I ended up with a less than ideal Radical Arms AR10 Carbine Buffer (I believe it weighs 3.8oz).

    At this point I am wondering if the parts need some wearing in because this was the first 166 rounds on the rifle, the extractor is TOO strong, the buffer is too light or there were problems with the ammo since it is surplus (that still managed to shoot sub-MOA).
     
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    I'd say with 166 rounds on it that it shouldn't need breaking in. If there was a burr on the extension it should be long gone by now as well.

    Have you fired it since polishing the portion of the bolt?

    Also, check gas tube alignment. If the gas tube has pressure towards one side and isn't running straight into the gas key it could also cause you problems. Check the length as well. If it's working some of the time it probably isn't too long however.

    If you think your BCG is functioning properly and the gas tube looks good I'd still move on to BCG and buffer mass next.
     
    Just a quick update, I took the gun out yesterday and put a couple of mags through it without any hitches. Whatever problem it had seems to have been remedied. Thanks everyone for their input.
     
    Well everyone, the fix was so bizarre that I couldn't resist posting it. After making sure everything was head spaced correctly, that the gas was set correctly and that there were no burrs anywhere I could find, I was still getting an occasional hang ups with the bcg not sliding the last millimeter forward, even though the bolt had locked into place. I happened to pull my BCG and charging handle out of the upper and say that in the roof of the upper and silver line had been etched into place, scraping away the anodizing. Baffled, I looked at the front of the charging handle and saw a nub that was seriously worn down. Then I remembered that the charging handle had come from a SIG716 DMR, which may have had a more pronounced nub on the top in the front than was meant for my upper. I took a file and gently worked it down and sanded it smooth, leaving the nub just slightly higher than the body of the charging handle like a traditional AR15 handle. Immediately, after putting my upper back together I felt something was different. It was 100% smoother with no hangup as the charging handle centered itself around the gas tube with the BCG closed (there are no marks or blemishes on the end of the gas tube).

    I also put in one of the Heavy Buffer CAR-10 5.5oz buffers.
     
    I need help with new AR10 build. Bolt not going into battery after first round sometime shoot 2-3 rounds and then won’t go into battery. Carbine buffer tube with shorty car buffer, BA barrel, toolcraft bolt, headspaced .002”. Without any round in the chamber, the bolt go into battery every time without any effort or hiccups, with a round in the chamber, I have to force the bolt home. Can you guys please help? Thanks.
     
    Apply lube liberally on the carrier and bolt lugs. When I say liberally I mean dripping wet. Secondly, ensure your gas tube is aligned with the gas key. Lastly, what ammo are you running?