AR10 Eagle stock pack?

[Controlled Chaos Arms]

i probably should know this, but with the throw of an AR10 charging handle, will a standard eagle stock pack allow complete operation of the handle fore and aft?

just curious if anyone can confirm it. also, a pic of one installed would be the shit!

many thanks,



michael

 

[Graham]

Re: AR10 Eagle stock pack?

Nope.

 

[ORD]

Re: AR10 Eagle stock pack?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Graham</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Nope. </div></div>

^^ Unfortunately this is correct. ^^

 

[jakhamr81]

Re: AR10 Eagle stock pack?

Works great for me. Just make sure that you set the pack far back enough that it will not interfere with the charging handle. Obviously, the weapon cannot be charged with the stock collapsed either. The pack also helps me ensure that I get the same cheek placement every time.

 

[Controlled Chaos Arms]

Re: AR10 Eagle stock pack?

i should have mentioned i was going to use it on an A2 stock. looks like a collapsible unit is ok, but not the fixed i take it?

i'll snag one from karsten then.

 

[jakhamr81]

Re: AR10 Eagle stock pack?

Never tried it on an A2, but I imagine that it is the same concept; just keep it far enough back to allow clearance of the charging handle. I actually have the carbine stock pushed in one notch on my AR 10 in the photo.

 

[ORD]

Re: AR10 Eagle stock pack?

In my experience (and the reason I posted "No" above), if you shoot nose-to-the-charging-handle (NTCH) and you have your optics set up accordingly, then the Eagle packs don't work well with either collapsible stocks or with the A2 stock because they sit too far back to be of real benefit in terms of padding/raising your eye level/cheekweld, and if you move them forward some to get the padding/benefit of the pack, then the CH makes contact with the pad.

If you don't shoot NTCH, then you MAY be able to get the pack back far enough for it to work with an A2 on an AR-10.

 

[Controlled Chaos Arms]

Re: AR10 Eagle stock pack?

this is a precision rig, so NTCH is out. but i also don't want to force this customer into holding an unnatural position, so i think i'll run a karsten piece...

 

[jakhamr81]

Re: AR10 Eagle stock pack?

It all really depends on the individuals shooting position. I prefer to get straight behind the gun, with the stock right over my collerbone. In that position my face stays back far enough to allow me to use the Eagle stock pack without interfering with the charging handle. Placing your hole body right behind the gun also helps you to manage the recoil, allowing the shooter to spot their shots, as well as cut down the time in between follow up shots.

 

[RedMan*]

Re: AR10 Eagle stock pack?

What is your goal ?
Raise cheek weld or for data ?

I made a proto-type last year, I wasn't happy with it so I never went foreward with it.
My goal was to hide the hinge points and it worked....but in my opinion I couldn't get it cinched down tight enough.

FWIW,
Stu

 

[J.Boyette]

Re: AR10 Eagle stock pack?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: septic-tank13</div><div class="ubbcode-body">this is a precision rig, so NTCH is out. but i also don't want to force this customer into holding an unnatural position, so i think i'll run a karsten piece... </div></div>

not true.

The issue is the stock is getting short stocked by the shooter with a jacked up postion.

Move the optic forward and do a correct optic install. I have done this over a 1,000 times with peoples rifles.

Almost every single one has poor position, and its based off of eye relief do to the optice being to far to the rear.

NTCH is the correct way to shoot any caliber Ar type rifle.

John

 

[Controlled Chaos Arms]

Re: AR10 Eagle stock pack?

went with a PRS instead. barrel isn't a really heavy contour so it balances pretty well like this.

 

[jakhamr81]

Re: AR10 Eagle stock pack?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: J.Boyette</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

NTCH is the correct way to shoot any caliber Ar type rifle.

John </div></div>

I would have to disagree. Putting your nose right up on the charging handle would not allow for you to get your entire body behind the rifle to absorb as much of the recoil as possible (especially a .308 like we are discussing), thus allowing you to spot your round and deliver a quick follow up shot if necessary.
For me to even try to get my nose close to the charging handle, I have to put the stock over my shoulder and cant my whole body. This position might work for some, but it is less than ideal when you need to manage the recoil of a heavy caliber and get back on target as fast as possible.

Lets not forget to mention how uncomfortable it would be if you were shooting suppressed.

Septic-tank13, great looking build. What did you use for the finish?

 

[titom110]

Re: AR10 Eagle stock pack?

Let me know if you decide to move on with this project interested in one in multicam.

 

[J.Boyette]

Re: AR10 Eagle stock pack?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jakhamr81</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: J.Boyette</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

NTCH is the correct way to shoot any caliber Ar type rifle.

John </div></div>

I would have to disagree. Putting your nose right up on the charging handle would not allow for you to get your entire body behind the rifle to absorb as much of the recoil as possible (especially a .308 like we are discussing), thus allowing you to spot your round and deliver a quick follow up shot if necessary.
For me to even try to get my nose close to the charging handle, I have to put the stock over my shoulder and cant my whole body. This position might work for some, but it is less than ideal when you need to manage the recoil of a heavy caliber and get back on target as fast as possible.

Lets not forget to mention how uncomfortable it would be if you were shooting suppressed.

Septic-tank13, great looking build. What did you use for the finish? </div></div>

Sir,

Quite the opposite happens. When you are not fully behind the rifle in a parallel spine to bore alignment, you short stock the rifle. AKA cannot get to NTCH. Do to the fact of your position being not right.

Shooting an AR in any caliber from .22lr up to 338 federal is the same process. Basic rifle marksmanship, part of the proper position index point for the AR-15 family rifles is NTCH. No matter the position. <span style="font-style: italic"><span style="font-weight: bold">(this is why for the first 5 weeks of testing the SCAR and ACR soldiers shot a lower test score on the Army Qual)</span></span> Because of no NTCH index point. We had to re-teach them how to find a steady eye relief to the rear peep sight. Once done the scores went back up.

All quality marksmanship programs teach this from the CMP, NRA High Power, USAMU, USMC Marksmanship Team and many others. Not just my company.

If you run a can, get a PRI gas buster. This is why they built that piece of kit, for such situations.

John

 

[jakhamr81]

Re: AR10 Eagle stock pack?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: J.Boyette</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jakhamr81</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: J.Boyette</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

NTCH is the correct way to shoot any caliber Ar type rifle.

John </div></div>

I would have to disagree. Putting your nose right up on the charging handle would not allow for you to get your entire body behind the rifle to absorb as much of the recoil as possible (especially a .308 like we are discussing), thus allowing you to spot your round and deliver a quick follow up shot if necessary.
For me to even try to get my nose close to the charging handle, I have to put the stock over my shoulder and cant my whole body. This position might work for some, but it is less than ideal when you need to manage the recoil of a heavy caliber and get back on target as fast as possible.

Lets not forget to mention how uncomfortable it would be if you were shooting suppressed.

Septic-tank13, great looking build. What did you use for the finish? </div></div>

Sir,

Quite the opposite happens. When you are not fully behind the rifle in a parallel spine to bore alignment, you short stock the rifle. AKA cannot get to NTCH. Do to the fact of your position being not right.

Shooting an AR in any caliber from .22lr up to 338 federal is the same process. Basic rifle marksmanship, part of the proper position index point for the AR-15 family rifles is NTCH. No matter the position. <span style="font-style: italic"><span style="font-weight: bold">(this is why for the first 5 weeks of testing the SCAR and ACR soldiers shot a lower test score on the Army Qual)</span></span> Because of no NTCH index point. We had to re-teach them how to find a steady eye relief to the rear peep sight. Once done the scores went back up.

All quality marksmanship programs teach this from the CMP, NRA High Power, USAMU, USMC Marksmanship Team and many others. Not just my company.

If you run a can, get a PRI gas buster. This is why they built that piece of kit, for such situations.

John </div></div>

Agree to disagree... I have been taught that "NTCH" while I was learning very basic marksmanship early on in the Marine Corps. Tactics and techniques have since evolved. The last three precision schools I have been to teach the shooter to get directly behind the gun with your body as inline as possible to the gun. If you do this, you will have to stretch your neck like a giraffe to touch the charging handle.

 

[J.Boyette]

Re: AR10 Eagle stock pack?

Yes sir,

I can work with that.

Have a great weekend.

John