Rifle Scopes are optics companies missing it??

[Redmanss]

Re: are optics companies missing it??

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hidesertcowboy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ok forget costs, I shouldn't have went down that road, my point about turrets and being able to change them out was maybe have a system that allows the changing out of styles of turret caps. maybe have and option for a covered low profile cap, a large easy to grip cap, or a medium cap. I don't think for a minute one could change between 1/4 moa to .1 mil adjustments without changing major internals of the scope.

MY POINT IN ALL THIS WAS ARE THERE FEATURES THAT ARE MISSING THAT THE PUBLIC WANTS FROM THEIR OPTICS!!!!!! I think its a legitimate question, but I suppose I am an idiot and a dumbass for asking. I somehow use counter sniper and BSA scopes and am a rookie. and my post is retarded. I said what I thought was missing from an optic, we have beat price to death. no one has responded with any features they would like to see, instead I am called an idiot, retarded etc. I really have to question the happiness of some of your lives, maybe your having a bad day. I dunno.

please by all means state what features you want to see, but leave the personal insults out, I have a thick skin, it appears many around here don't. </div></div> It wasn't that you wanted all these different features, it was that you wanted it all for under a grand, then called everyone snobs for saying you were being unreasonable.

You want it your way, call USO. Keep in mind that your ideal reticle is a stretch from what most tactical shooters out there want, and is better suited for F-Class or similar. Instead you see companies developing reticles with 10 mils worth of markings below center like the NF MLR2. Last I heard it runs about $1k for USO to cut a new reticle. Find some others that share in your preference and you can all chip in and get it.

Is your application for this scope in the tactical realm of employment? Rapid followup shots or quick shifts in engagement range? What is your intended use?

 

[jeo556]

Re: are optics companies missing it??

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">MY POINT IN ALL THIS WAS ARE THERE FEATURES THAT ARE MISSING THAT THE PUBLIC WANTS FROM THEIR OPTICS!!!!!! I think its a legitimate question, but I suppose I am an idiot and a dumbass for asking. I somehow use counter sniper and BSA scopes and am a rookie. and my post is retarded. I said what I thought was missing from an optic, we have beat price to death. no one has responded with any features they would like to see, instead I am called an idiot, retarded etc. I really have to question the happiness of some of your lives, maybe your having a bad day. I dunno.

please by all means state what features you want to see, but leave the personal insults out, <span style="font-weight: bold">I have a thick skin</span>, it appears many around here don't. </div></div>

Oh you do......Your the one talking about feelings and emotions and bad days.

Seriously though, you came on here making a statement about scope companies like you came up with some profound idea and expected everyone here to blow you for it. Your statement was(as has already been pointed out by Ratbert) about five or six years too late. On top of that some very knowledgable people has since explained to you that your desires are unrealistic due to your price constraints. So what do you do, get turbo defensive instead of admitting that maybe you hadn't thought this through.

If you want to play here you better get a thicker hide because these guys usually play rough.

That being said, Welcome to the hide.

P.S. You've been here for 12 days and have at least double that many posts.....read more, type less.

 

[neeley205]

Re: are optics companies missing it??

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hidesertcowboy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ok forget costs, I shouldn't have went down that road, my point about turrets and being able to change them out was maybe have a system that allows the changing out of styles of turret caps. maybe have and option for a covered low profile cap, a large easy to grip cap, or a medium cap. I don't think for a minute one could change between 1/4 moa to .1 mil adjustments without changing major internals of the scope.

MY POINT IN ALL THIS WAS ARE THERE FEATURES THAT ARE MISSING THAT THE PUBLIC WANTS FROM THEIR OPTICS!!!!!! I think its a legitimate question, but I suppose I am an idiot and a dumbass for asking. I somehow use counter sniper and BSA scopes and am a rookie. and my post is retarded. I said what I thought was missing from an optic, we have beat price to death. no one has responded with any features they would like to see, instead I am called an idiot, retarded etc. I really have to question the happiness of some of your lives, maybe your having a bad day. I dunno.

please by all means state what features you want to see, but leave the personal insults out, I have a thick skin, it appears many around here don't. </div></div>

Ok, price aside, I don't understand what options you want that you arnt seeing. Your favorite brand might not make the exact configuration you want, but someone does, or has come very close. You want mil/mil, you want moa/moa? You want any combination of the two, don't know why, but it can be had. .2, .1,.05 mil knobs, can be had. All moa variations can be had, want lighted, everyone offers at least one color, some more. Reticules? Mil,moa,gap,horus,bdc,all the premier,nightforce,vortex and uso variations cover just about any situation you can concoct in your head. Tubes? 30,34 now35mm can be had. Shit tons of travel? Becoming the norm (even when its genuinely not needed for anything but ELR). Paralax? Some offer multiple configurations including adjustable diopters. Want it duracoated or cerakoted by the company? Lots will do it for you.

Just what the hell do you feel is lacking bro?

Any configuration I seem to want is available. I just fail to see your point here.

 

[MinorDamage]

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I get it. You want to whine about options that "don't exist" even though they do. You just have to go through the right company. Then, you boldly state that it should come in under 1K with no compromises. We tell you that is crazy and you get pissy? Any of the optics companies that can build a scope to YOUR requirements would tell you to get bent when you ask for the sub 1K price tag.

You then say you should not have specified a price. Ok, that said, you can get the scope listed in your original post. Now, why is there a problem or anything to post about?

Josh

 

[aaronraby1]

Re: are optics companies missing it??

you guys made my head hurt...

 

[LRS_Ranger]

Re: are optics companies missing it??

If you want custom anything... you will pay custom price. If you don't want what most paying customers want, then you have the option to have built exactly what you want. Yea, it burns a little, but that's what you get for having expensive and exotic tastes...

As a side note, this is pretty funny... <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"I don't need or care to range with my reticle".... "the wind hold offs could double as a ranging setup"</div></div>And
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"capped covered windage turret/adjustment, set it and forget it bascially".... "dial for distance hold for wind."</div></div>If you want to be taken seriously, you shouldn't contradict yourself in your original post.

All blatant contradictions aside... <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think there is a disconnect on what technology is out there and what the average guy wants... a bubble level in the scope like USO</div></div>How many "average guys" want a bubble level in their scope? Go stand outside Cabelas and ask your average joe... that might shed some light on why they aren't a standard option.

 

[George63]

Re: are optics companies missing it??

a few companies would build that scope for that price just put in some "ifs"

if there was an order for 10,000 units
if there was no retailer that needed mark up
if repairs would be paid/ not included
if there was no advertising cost
if there was potential to sell another 100,000 units

you may have them standing in line for that biz

 

[sharac]

Re: are optics companies missing it??

We have a saying here for people who can't make up their mind and rough translation would be "He can't decide which finger to stick up his ass."

I think you need to decide first what it is that you want (if anything) and why.

What i would like is a onboard computer on major scope brands that registers what people do with knobs and i think statistical results would call for a scope which is once set and very rarely touched with probably 2 or 3 sets (ranges), not to mention quite a few of them don't see sunlight a lot (from being on a safe queens)...now that would be something

 

[pongnukl]

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I think $3000 is not too much to pay for a reliable, quality optic. If you can't afford something you want there is no point compaining about how expensive it is, it means you just need to get off your butt and go work more so you can get it. I for one couldn't afford all the stuff I wanted so I pulled out my finger and worked 2 fulltime jobs until I had the money. As was said previously, order a US optics scope with all the things you want in the scope and if you haven't got the money yet then I suggest you go out there and earn it.

 

[Wild_Bill]

Re: are optics companies missing it??


MY POINT IN ALL THIS WAS ARE THERE FEATURES THAT ARE MISSING THAT THE PUBLIC WANTS FROM THEIR OPTICS!!!!!!

Mate you are talking out your ass. these are the features YOU want in a scope you might as well give up you are totaly wrong.

Also how many sets of RF bino's gan you supply at 1/3 the cost of $3000 that would be $1000 for top grade German optics i will buy 10 sets thanks with built in laser rangefinders a mate has them and i can tell you they are closer to 2 grand and some models 2 1/2 grand.

As for you wish optics stick your 25moa per turn 20 is fine better yet learn Mill radian and have 10 mills per turn even better.

The cost of reliability and glass is going t take you wekk over the grand mark and that is for a fixed power scope with 25 power but 100% reliability you are realy dreaming here.

I can write a wish list aswell and i own scopes worth a few hundred to over 3 grand the diferent scopes have diferent uses. now before you say i am rich i am on a military disability pension and have to save and deal to get things.

get real.

 

[D_TROS]

Re: are optics companies missing it??

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hidesertcowboy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
ok a company like swarovski a much larger optics company than nightforce or USO or schmidt and bender don't even offer an RF binocular, despite there being a huge demand, despite lots of people asking them where is the product. zeiss actually hired away the guy who designed the leica geovids so they could design and bring to market an RF binocular. the point is this technology had to be created, internal adjustments, parralax, erectors, etc is all technology that has been around since what like the 1930's?? I don't think my statement is "ridiculous" <span style="font-weight: bold">my point is stop and think what 3 grand will buy you</span>. all I am saying is there is alot of stuff that is way way overpriced, if more companies offerd the features you or I want it would force the price down.

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I have. And Im so dam giddy I can barely control myself. Scope is in the mail and I cant sleep at night knowing I will get to use a scope like you mentioned. Just the fact a scope like that is capable of being made is quite the amazing feat in itself. And that is coming from a mechanical engineer. the feat in itself, without doing it every single freakin time, is quite amazing.

And to further answer your question, this is my dream scope:

Power: 5-25
Rect: MDMOA
34mm tube
side parallax
58 objective
Illum.
Internal ACD
Zero Stop
Erek knob
caps for the windage
color anodizing
indestructible
lifetime warrenty

Luckily for me USO offers such a creature. AND I am lucky enough to get one...for the 3k mark.

Regards,
DT

 

[mmmhmmhim]

Re: are optics companies missing it??

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRose</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hidesertcowboy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't see how the stuff I am asking for really adds that much cost </div></div>
price range, you just can't have a Ferrari for a Chevy price. Go figure...
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This is true.

But you can buy a car that will do 95% of what a ferrari will do for a fraction of the cost. Maybe it won't have the ferrari name on it, but functionally it will have similar specs.

Really what he is asking for is not much. Clearly he has some issues understanding clicks. It's hard to have a 25MOA turret with 1/4MOA clicks and have it be precise without increasing the diameter of the turret. Naturally there is a happy medium in there.

But really, a decent MOA reticle combined with a scope that tracks 100% and has MOA turrets would be enough for me. Building a level onto the side of it is pretty simple and very cheap. I feel like sightron could put out a decent build like this - I just wish they worked on the feel of their clicks.

Just my 2 cents...