ATF Charges American FRT Trigger Owner For Illegal Possession Of A Machine Gun

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    Shiiiiiiiit. I hope Mr. FRT has a good lawyer. The ATF could have just signed their own warrant…
     
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    Tim McVeigh did something. Who followed?

    Whatever his actual intentions were, and whatever the actual truth of what happened really is, the entire situation played right into the hands of the government and was the excuse for even more power and using the government against anyone who spoke ill of the government.
    The narrative was quickly and easily changed to garner sympathy for the government.
     

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    The Definition.

    What exactly is the definition of a machine gun? That is found in 26 U.S.C. § 5845(b):

    “The term “machinegun” means any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger. The term shall also include the frame or receiver of any such weapon, any part designed and intended solely and exclusively, or combination of parts designed and intended, for use in converting a weapon into a machinegun, and any combination of parts from which a machinegun can be assembled if such parts are in the possession or under the control of a person.”​
    It’s a bit complicated, but at least Congress didn’t need a half-dozen subparts to describe what they meant.

    The core of the definition is “any weapon which shoots . . . automatically more than one shot . . . by a single function of the trigger.” Also included in the definition is any combination of parts that cause a firearm to fit into that core definition and the frame and receiver of a firearm that fits within that core definition. The latter is why you can’t simply convert a machinegun into semi-automatic functioning.

    More than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger.

    Source = Robert K. Merting - Attorney at Law
     
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    A man that represents the government and the two tier weaponized “justice” system by putting on a badge and uniform is a piece of shit. When there is unequal and/or selective enforcement of laws then there is NO rule of law. How can any leo for any municipality look himself in the mirror? Why do people still respect and support these sick people? Any decent man would have left the job by now. What is left are statists willing to destroy your life for a paycheck they steal from your wallet.
     

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    Whatever his actual intentions were, and whatever the actual truth of what happened really is, the entire situation played right into the hands of the government and was the excuse for even more power and using the government against anyone who spoke ill of the government.
    The narrative was quickly and easily changed to garner sympathy for the government.
    Keep voting then. That'll fix it.....
     
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  • Whatever his actual intentions were, and whatever the actual truth of what happened really is, the entire situation played right into the hands of the government and was the excuse for even more power and using the government against anyone who spoke ill of the government.
    The narrative was quickly and easily changed to garner sympathy for the government.
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    Shiiiiiiiit. I hope Mr. FRT has a good lawyer. The ATF could have just signed their own warrant…

    From the looks of the charges, he had worse things than a couple of FRTs. Looks like an illegally converted MP5 clone, 38 3d printed glock full auto switches, a couple of unregistered suppressors, and what could be several unregistered SBRs.

    WV vs EPA won't protect him from any of those charges, even if it does get the FRTs dropped.
     
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    From the looks of the charges, he had worse things than a couple of FRTs. Looks like an illegally converted MP5 clone, 38 3d printed glock full auto switches, a couple of unregistered suppressors, and what could be several unregistered SBRs.

    WV vs EPA won't protect him from any of those charges, even if it does get the FRTs dropped.
    How incredibly convenient! I wouldn't be half surprised if they also found a few keys of cocaine, child porn and his handwritten manifesto detailing his plans to overthrow the government and reestablish segregation in the US.

    Then after he hangs himself with a bed sheet in his cell before making it to trial we can forget all about him and focus on more important things, like monkeypox and global warming.

    Great job, ATF.
     

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    How incredibly convenient! I wouldn't be half surprised if they also found a few keys of cocaine, child porn and his handwritten manifesto detailing his plans to overthrow the government and reestablish segregation in the US.

    Then after he hangs himself with a bed sheet in his cell before making it to trial we can forget all about him and focus on more important things, like monkeypox and global warming.

    Great job, ATF.
    At this point in the timeline of tyranny - it would be foolish to believe or take at face value - ANYTHING the alphabet agencies say.
    They all appear to be out of control rogue agencies only interested in persecution and prosecution of anyone not aligning with the leftist agenda.
     
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    At this point in the timeline of tyranny - it would be foolish to believe or take a face value - ANYTHING the alphabet agencies say.
    They all appear to be out of control rogue agencies only interested in persecution and prosecution of anyone not aligning with the leftist agenda.

    The more likely explanation is that the guy is an idiot who got caught doing shit he knew would potentially put him in conflict with the feds.
     

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    The more likely explanation is that the guy is an idiot who got caught doing shit he knew would potentially put him in conflict with the feds.

    Lots of folks these days are like, I'm just going to do what I want and ignore these unconstitutional laws about firearms.
    As this guy is about to find out, the government and the courts love and I mean LOVE to setup show trials and make examples of them to keep the rest of the sheep in line.
    And the guy is probably going to find out that his fellow "strident 2A supporters" aren't going to be storming the gates to come rescue him.
    It's going to be a long, expensive road and he better have money and good lawyers.

    This is why the government finds doing oppression so easy.
    No need to go after everyone, just regularly go after a couple and put the boots to them hard to keep the rest of the sheep from doing freedom stuff.
    Why do you think they are being so brutal to the J6 types?
     

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    The more likely explanation is that the guy is an idiot who got caught doing shit he knew would potentially put him in conflict with the feds.
    The fed LEO are the criminals. The same can be said about all LEO considering how they all work together to support one another.

    The man isn’t an idiot just because he didn’t tow the line. He may be a Constitutionalist that paid a price for believing in the true law of the land and we watch and do nothing like the cowards we are.
     

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    For sure.

    I mean... if I owned a company that was duking it out with the ATF I would keep 38 counterfeit glock full auto conversion devices, 27 unregistered SBRs and a bunch of serial number free cans in my house too.

    I'd be inclined to believe this if the raid came out of the blue. Months into a federal case with the ATF, you can consider me skeptical.

    I'm gonna go fashion myself a new tinfoil hat now....
    There's no doubt that the Feds will go for the low-hanging fruit.
    But they've been shown to make up their own facts and create and facilitate crimes to garner the attention they want or push their agenda.
     

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    The more likely explanation is that the guy is an idiot who got caught doing shit he knew would potentially put him in conflict with the feds.
    A registered MP5 sear is about $40K. Guy decided to save some money but not paying retail.
    His life is going to suck.
     

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    From the looks of the charges, he had worse things than a couple of FRTs. Looks like an illegally converted MP5 clone, 38 3d printed glock full auto switches, a couple of unregistered suppressors, and what could be several unregistered SBRs.

    WV vs EPA won't protect him from any of those charges, even if it does get the FRTs dropped.
    Whats a few Glock selectors, finished/unserialed 80% lowers bolted onto SBR uppers, and finished solvent traps among friends?
    ATF is a tyrannical organization and useless as tits on a bull - change my mind.
     
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    There is of course the very real possibility the ATF straight up lied and / or also straight up planted evidence.

    That being said as a disclaimer, it does seem to follow a pattern that some of the folks who the headlines say got busted for something in the "grey area" or "still under discussion as to the status", tend to have a bunch of other stuff going on as well where they clearly stepped over the line with the government.

    Much like the headline arrest for the guy selling the metal calling cards that had the outline of a lightning link laser engraved onto them. It seems the more in depth story was that he had a lot of other "stuff" going on as well.

    There might be something to be said for if you come up a few too many times on the radar for "naughty stuff", the government decides you are a good candidate to make an example out of, since they are sure to get a conviction or plea agreement on at least one or more of the stack of things.
     
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    A man that represents the government and the two tier weaponized “justice” system by putting on a badge and uniform is a piece of shit. When there is unequal and/or selective enforcement of laws then there is NO rule of law. How can any leo for any municipality look himself in the mirror? Why do people still respect and support these sick people? Any decent man would have left the job by now. What is left are statists willing to destroy your life for a paycheck they steal from your wallet.
    History repeating...... Actually some very ancient history repeating.... The same thing, over and over and expecting a different outcome.
     
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    I said nothing in support of the NFA, ATF, or any of the DOJ's unconstitutional BS. Nor will I.

    It's easy to call folks cowards from behind a keyboard. Or rant about how the NFA is unconstitutional and how ATF should either cease to exist or focus on things that actually matter. But we as a community have a history of bitching and moaning online, calling each other cowards, and doing nothing that actually helps someone who's run afoul of the Fed.

    My point was that anyone who knowingly possess that quantity of unregistered NFA items (or any, really) without understanding and accepting they may be placing themselves in conflict with the Leviathan that is the DOJ, is an idiot. Or I suppose maybe just a self destructive masochist.

    Doesn't mean I like it, support it, or wish it to remain unchanged. Maybe he understood the potential consequences of having 40+ unregistered NFA items in his possession and decided he was willing to take his chances. Maybe not. Maybe as some of you are suggesting he's a sweet little innocent baby who got framed by an ATF agent, but I find that unlikely.

    Either way I'm guessing no one in this thread is going to do anything to help him out.

    Hell, I'll bet some of you can't even be bothered to donate to organizations like FPC who are actually doing something.
     
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    I said nothing in support of the NFA, ATF, or any of the DOJ's unconstitutional BS. Nor will I.

    It's easy to call folks cowards from behind a keyboard. Or rant about how the NFA is unconstitutional and how ATF should either cease to exist or focus on things that actually matter. But we as a community have a history of bitching and moaning online, calling each other cowards, and doing nothing that actually helps someone who's run afoul of the Fed.

    My point was that anyone who knowingly possess that quantity of unregistered NFA items (or any, really) without understanding and accepting they may be placing themselves in conflict with the Leviathan that is the DOJ, is an idiot. Or I suppose maybe just a self destructive masochist.

    Doesn't mean I like it, support it, or wish it to remain unchanged. Maybe he understood the potential consequences of having 40+ unregistered NFA items in his possession and decided he was willing to take his chances. Maybe not. Maybe as some of you are suggesting he's a sweet little innocent baby who got framed by an ATF agent, but I find that unlikely.

    Either way I'm guessing no one in this thread is going to do anything to help him out.

    Hell, I'll bet some of you can't even be bothered to donate to organizations like FPC who are actually doing something.
    Well said
     

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    I said nothing in support of the NFA, ATF, or any of the DOJ's unconstitutional BS. Nor will I.

    It's easy to call folks cowards from behind a keyboard. Or rant about how the NFA is unconstitutional and how ATF should either cease to exist or focus on things that actually matter. But we as a community have a history of bitching and moaning online, calling each other cowards, and doing nothing that actually helps someone who's run afoul of the Fed.

    My point was that anyone who knowingly possess that quantity of unregistered NFA items (or any, really) without understanding and accepting they may be placing themselves in conflict with the Leviathan that is the DOJ, is an idiot. Or I suppose maybe just a self destructive masochist.

    Doesn't mean I like it, support it, or wish it to remain unchanged. Maybe he understood the potential consequences of having 40+ unregistered NFA items in his possession and decided he was willing to take his chances. Maybe not. Maybe as some of you are suggesting he's a sweet little innocent baby who got framed by an ATF agent, but I find that unlikely.

    Either way I'm guessing no one in this thread is going to do anything to help him out.

    Hell, I'll bet some of you can't even be bothered to donate to organizations like FPC who are actually doing something.
    Sounds like you have got it figured out.
     

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    The more likely explanation is that the guy is an idiot who got caught doing shit he knew would potentially put him in conflict with the feds.
    After the most recent federal imposed regulation on my 2nd amendment rights, I emailed my "Republican" senator to express my displeasure.

    She responded that it should not be a problem unless I was a criminal (or words to that effect).

    The problem is that the new regulations start me down the path on the way to becoming a criminal. A path that I was not on before.
     

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    There is of course the very real possibility the ATF straight up lied and / or also straight up planted evidence.

    That being said as a disclaimer, it does seem to follow a pattern that some of the folks who the headlines say got busted for something in the "grey area" or "still under discussion as to the status", tend to have a bunch of other stuff going on as well where they clearly stepped over the line with the government.

    Much like the headline arrest for the guy selling the metal calling cards that had the outline of a lightning link laser engraved onto them. It seems the more in depth story was that he had a lot of other "stuff" going on as well.

    There might be something to be said for if you come up a few too many times on the radar for "naughty stuff", the government decides you are a good candidate to make an example out of, since they are sure to get a conviction or plea agreement on at least one or more of the stack of things.
    Yeah, If you're going to speed, don't do so while carrying severe kilos of cocain...
     
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    After the most recent federal imposed regulation on my 2nd amendment rights, I emailed my "Republican" senator to express my displeasure.

    She responded that it should not be a problem unless I was a criminal (or words to that effect).

    The problem is that the new regulations start me down the path on the way to becoming a criminal. A path that I was not on before.
    Did you write her back and explain your last statement?
     

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    Lots of folks these days are like, I'm just going to do what I want and ignore these unconstitutional laws about firearms.
    As this guy is about to find out, the government and the courts love and I mean LOVE to setup show trials and make examples of them to keep the rest of the sheep in line.

    Most likely the guy is no idiot , but because people who have no criminal record, and are not criminals practiced in flying life under the radar . They move threw life a little more relaxed, never bothering anyone else . Lazy Oblivious to how completely FuckedUp your life will instantly turn. When your targeted for devastation by law enforcement and courts .
    Unconstitutional, Not being a Criminal, No Criminal record, Always paying your Tax's, Going to church on Sunday, Raising a good family ..etc . Has Nothing to do with It, when the Boot is targeted to drop on your throat .
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    If he manufactured 38 Glock autosears, be glad the ATF got him - those aren't going to good homes. They are going to gang bangers.
    Since gang bangers can't shoot, innocents get caught in the crossfire. Decent LEOs (like my daughter) have to respond to shootings where innocents in the wrong place, get capped between the eyes over some gang dispute.

    Dumbass should have spent that time cleaning up his yard instead.

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    I would love a G18 Autosear.

    Turn a $500 glock 17 and some Magpul mags into a great sub gun with one of those little stocks for them.
    Add a can for pure greatness

    The jack boots dont want folks who dont trust .gov to have them.
    Nothing to do with gang bangers in all cases.

    All of them would have been legal and no problem if he had just paid the government's required $200 tax on each one...
    The government says it's illegal to have them or make them unless you pay the tax and have the tax stamp to prove it.

    Oh but wait! They won't let you pay the tax...
    So you are a criminal for having something that you didn't pay the taxes on because they refused to let you pay the taxes.

    And that is how an end run around the constitution is done.
    Get a court and the public to agree to "just some taxes" then make it illegal not to have paid the taxes, then refuse to let folks pay the taxes.

    The good folks were all fine with that when it was used as an end run around the constitution to go after "those naughty drugs", but then they didn't quite like it when the government used it to come after their guns and accessories...

    I'm sure the democrats have some similar plan to do an end run around the constitution to ban all the common semi-auto guns.
    The FUDDs will be all fine with that because those icky black rifles, but of course the Demonrats won't stop there...

    I of course blame all this on the stupid self righteous, idiotic fools and their false religious doctrine they so worshiped of wanting to ban alcohol because "alcohol bad", and they opened the door wide for the government to march right in and take over, Oh we need the FBI, but we promise only to go after folks that are transporting that bad alcohol stuff...
     

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    The occupying government didn't want people like this in possession of FA weapons either.

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    To be fair, those folks pretty much were in the "After the first one all the rest are free" situation.
    When getting caught with any firearm or ammunition or a radio or such meant the death penalty, well then pretty much everything is on the table for you because it's all the same.

    History might be about to see a repeat.