Atlas still the benchmark?
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I have an Atlas V8 and prefer the Harris. If deploying the legs and just shooting at the range the Atlas is great. However if you try to move the Atlas fast in a match stage requiring you to transition from deployed to retracted, pushing the buttons to rotate the legs up or down takes too much time. If you get sand in the bearing area of the lock out ring for the length adjustment, the sand is going to give you grief. Got dirt in mine and had to take it apart and blast it out to make it work again. The sand will cause it to bind up.
I put my Atlas on my wife's rifle for this reason. Just .02 cents.
SP
I have an Atlas V8 and prefer the Harris. If deploying the legs and just shooting at the range the Atlas is great. However if you try to move the Atlas fast in a match stage requiring you to transition from deployed to retracted, pushing the buttons to rotate the legs up or down takes too much time. If you get sand in the bearing area of the lock out ring for the length adjustment, the sand is going to give you grief. Got dirt in mine and had to take it apart and blast it out to make it work again. The sand will cause it to bind up.
I put my Atlas on my wife's rifle for this reason. Just .02 cents.
SP
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Stacyp has some great points, however I will not be going back to Harris anytime soon. To me the Atlas is the pinnacle of bipods. They will not accidently fold, they allow you to pan and tilt, they feel more solid than a Harris,the same bipod can act as a high or low bipod by ading extension legs, and as long as I keep mine dry and clean they run well in dirty conditions. They are a litte slower, but IMO the sturdiness is well worth the extra set up time. This is my experience and your mileage may vary
Stacyp has some great points, however I will not be going back to Harris anytime soon. To me the Atlas is the pinnacle of bipods. They will not accidently fold, they allow you to pan and tilt, they feel more solid than a Harris,the same bipod can act as a high or low bipod by ading extension legs, and as long as I keep mine dry and clean they run well in dirty conditions. They are a litte slower, but IMO the sturdiness is well worth the extra set up time. This is my experience and your mileage may vary
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sandbogg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Stacyp has some great points, however I will not be going back to Harris anytime soon. To me the Atlas is the pinnacle of bipods. They will not accidently fold, they allow you to pan and tilt, they feel more solid than a Harris,the same bipod can act as a high or low bipod by ading extension legs, and as long as I keep mine dry and clean they run well in dirty conditions. They are a litte slower, but IMO the sturdiness is well worth the extra set up time. This is my experience and your mileage may vary </div></div>
I agree with this statement and they load easier too...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sandbogg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Stacyp has some great points, however I will not be going back to Harris anytime soon. To me the Atlas is the pinnacle of bipods. They will not accidently fold, they allow you to pan and tilt, they feel more solid than a Harris,the same bipod can act as a high or low bipod by ading extension legs, and as long as I keep mine dry and clean they run well in dirty conditions. They are a litte slower, but IMO the sturdiness is well worth the extra set up time. This is my experience and your mileage may vary </div></div>
I agree with this statement and they load easier too...
Re: Atlas still the benchmark?
Stacy's points should certainly be considered, and I know a few VERY good shooters that just don't like the Atlas, but I've got two and don't plan on going back to the Harris...
Stacy's points should certainly be considered, and I know a few VERY good shooters that just don't like the Atlas, but I've got two and don't plan on going back to the Harris...
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Anybody try the GG&G bipod? That thing looks like landing gear to the Millennium Falcon. Have you thought about this one? Some people love them over the Atlas. I have an Atlas and a Harris and I do like the Atlas better but its pretty close. Deploying the legs is a pain the ass to me especially when I get that really fine sand all over it. Thats where my like for Harris comes in. It's just easy.
Anybody try the GG&G bipod? That thing looks like landing gear to the Millennium Falcon. Have you thought about this one? Some people love them over the Atlas. I have an Atlas and a Harris and I do like the Atlas better but its pretty close. Deploying the legs is a pain the ass to me especially when I get that really fine sand all over it. Thats where my like for Harris comes in. It's just easy.
Re: Atlas still the benchmark?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ultraman550</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Anybody try the GG&G bipod? That thing looks like landing gear to the Millennium Falcon. Have you thought about this one? Some people love them over the Atlas. I have an Atlas and a Harris and I do like the Atlas better but its pretty close. Deploying the legs is a pain the ass to me especially when I get that really fine sand all over it. Thats where my like for Harris comes in. It's just easy. </div></div>
I had a set... they are are nice but in no way are to the same standard of a Atlas. The smooth legs offer no reference points and the feet are hard to load on any type of surface that is not somewhat "soft" material. I would pony up the cash and go the atlas route 10 times out of 10 and be done with it.
my 2 cents...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ultraman550</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Anybody try the GG&G bipod? That thing looks like landing gear to the Millennium Falcon. Have you thought about this one? Some people love them over the Atlas. I have an Atlas and a Harris and I do like the Atlas better but its pretty close. Deploying the legs is a pain the ass to me especially when I get that really fine sand all over it. Thats where my like for Harris comes in. It's just easy. </div></div>
I had a set... they are are nice but in no way are to the same standard of a Atlas. The smooth legs offer no reference points and the feet are hard to load on any type of surface that is not somewhat "soft" material. I would pony up the cash and go the atlas route 10 times out of 10 and be done with it.
my 2 cents...
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I own both Harris and Atlas.......my Harris stay on my hunting rifles and my AR's, the Atlas sticks with my AICS. I don't consider one to be better than the other as they both are good at different things.
I own both Harris and Atlas.......my Harris stay on my hunting rifles and my AR's, the Atlas sticks with my AICS. I don't consider one to be better than the other as they both are good at different things.
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It's a toss up for me. Harris or Atlas are both fine. I have 2 of each.
It's a toss up for me. Harris or Atlas are both fine. I have 2 of each.
Re: Atlas still the benchmark?
1. Steadiness, I have noticed no improvements in groups switching from Harris to Atlas.
2. Speed, Harris all day long
3. Looks, Atlas by a mile
4. Weight, Atlas is lighter
5. Wet, Muddy, Sandy conditions, Harris is better by a wide margin.
6. Leg positions, Atlas wins...but if speed is needed you could just use the forearm or folded up bipod. At the range A guy was bragging about his New Atlas and showing me all the leg positions and how it was better than my Harris ( I did not tell him I owned a Atlas) he showed how he could move one leg forward and one back to give him support on a round concrete culvert. He then rang steel at 600 yards and said let me see your Harris do that! I just folded my legs up placed the rifle on the same culvert and hit the same target with no bipod.
I have the 2011 international sniper comp.(held by US ARMY) dvd and 99.9% of all teams are running Harris.
1. Steadiness, I have noticed no improvements in groups switching from Harris to Atlas.
2. Speed, Harris all day long
3. Looks, Atlas by a mile
4. Weight, Atlas is lighter
5. Wet, Muddy, Sandy conditions, Harris is better by a wide margin.
6. Leg positions, Atlas wins...but if speed is needed you could just use the forearm or folded up bipod. At the range A guy was bragging about his New Atlas and showing me all the leg positions and how it was better than my Harris ( I did not tell him I owned a Atlas) he showed how he could move one leg forward and one back to give him support on a round concrete culvert. He then rang steel at 600 yards and said let me see your Harris do that! I just folded my legs up placed the rifle on the same culvert and hit the same target with no bipod.
I have the 2011 international sniper comp.(held by US ARMY) dvd and 99.9% of all teams are running Harris.
Re: Atlas still the benchmark?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: K_4c</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ultraman550</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Anybody try the GG&G bipod? That thing looks like landing gear to the Millennium Falcon. Have you thought about this one? Some people love them over the Atlas. I have an Atlas and a Harris and I do like the Atlas better but its pretty close. Deploying the legs is a pain the ass to me especially when I get that really fine sand all over it. Thats where my like for Harris comes in. It's just easy. </div></div>
I had a set... they are are nice but in no way are to the same standard of a Atlas. The smooth legs offer no reference points and the feet are hard to load on any type of surface that is not somewhat "soft" material. I would pony up the cash and go the atlas route 10 times out of 10 and be done with it.
my 2 cents...</div></div>
This right here is exactly how I felt about comparing the GG&G to the Atlas V8. I owned the GG&G bipod and decided to give the Atlas V8 a try. There is no comparison between the two and I sold the GG&G bipod.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: K_4c</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ultraman550</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Anybody try the GG&G bipod? That thing looks like landing gear to the Millennium Falcon. Have you thought about this one? Some people love them over the Atlas. I have an Atlas and a Harris and I do like the Atlas better but its pretty close. Deploying the legs is a pain the ass to me especially when I get that really fine sand all over it. Thats where my like for Harris comes in. It's just easy. </div></div>
I had a set... they are are nice but in no way are to the same standard of a Atlas. The smooth legs offer no reference points and the feet are hard to load on any type of surface that is not somewhat "soft" material. I would pony up the cash and go the atlas route 10 times out of 10 and be done with it.
my 2 cents...</div></div>
This right here is exactly how I felt about comparing the GG&G to the Atlas V8. I owned the GG&G bipod and decided to give the Atlas V8 a try. There is no comparison between the two and I sold the GG&G bipod.
Re: Atlas still the benchmark?
I have an Atlas, though pretty awesome, I still prefer the Tango Down Bipod. It is just as stable as the Atlas but you can swing the gun wider and higher with the TD.
I have an Atlas, though pretty awesome, I still prefer the Tango Down Bipod. It is just as stable as the Atlas but you can swing the gun wider and higher with the TD.
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I have both and won't get rid of either, for every advantage each one has there is a disadvantage.
except for weight atlas is a fair bit lighter.
in this case any argument for a "superior" product either way is little cherry as cherry kool-aide
kt
I have both and won't get rid of either, for every advantage each one has there is a disadvantage.
except for weight atlas is a fair bit lighter.
in this case any argument for a "superior" product either way is little cherry as cherry kool-aide
kt
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Reading this thread, one might get the impression an Atlas should only be used in a sterile environment. When boys who can take an Atlas or a Harris to war pick the Atlas, that's a pretty solid endorsement. I can't imagine they would keep deploying with the Atlas if a little debris caused problems.
Reading this thread, one might get the impression an Atlas should only be used in a sterile environment. When boys who can take an Atlas or a Harris to war pick the Atlas, that's a pretty solid endorsement. I can't imagine they would keep deploying with the Atlas if a little debris caused problems.
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I may be on the other end of the spectrum on this one.. I have 2 Atlas V8's and 2 GG&G XDS bipods.. I love both, but in MOST of my situations, I actually prefer my XDS. Its is lighter than an Atlas, legs deploy out much faster, and I actually like the simplicity of the legs lengthening method. ---- to add--- I am not a competition long range guy.. I hunt, stalk, shoot from dirty ass ravines with tree roots or muddy rocks as my "benchrest"... in these areas, the GGG (to me) outperforms the Atlas in user-friendliness and speed... just my opinions, but I will say, they are both great bipods, just buy for what you are using it for..
I may be on the other end of the spectrum on this one.. I have 2 Atlas V8's and 2 GG&G XDS bipods.. I love both, but in MOST of my situations, I actually prefer my XDS. Its is lighter than an Atlas, legs deploy out much faster, and I actually like the simplicity of the legs lengthening method. ---- to add--- I am not a competition long range guy.. I hunt, stalk, shoot from dirty ass ravines with tree roots or muddy rocks as my "benchrest"... in these areas, the GGG (to me) outperforms the Atlas in user-friendliness and speed... just my opinions, but I will say, they are both great bipods, just buy for what you are using it for..
Re: Atlas still the benchmark?
I think everyone is correct. It depends on your use of the bipod. The only thing I would say, is if I could only have one and it had to last I would pick the Harris because of the many reasons listed above.
I think everyone is correct. It depends on your use of the bipod. The only thing I would say, is if I could only have one and it had to last I would pick the Harris because of the many reasons listed above.
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I have the V6 (I think), you pull down on the legs to change positions. Simple and easy, using one hand when on the move. Will I be upgrading or downgrading if I get a V8? Seems like the push buttons would be slower and harder to get to both sides one handed, but I've not handled one.
I use mine for 3-Gun at times as well as general range use.
I have the V6 (I think), you pull down on the legs to change positions. Simple and easy, using one hand when on the move. Will I be upgrading or downgrading if I get a V8? Seems like the push buttons would be slower and harder to get to both sides one handed, but I've not handled one.
I use mine for 3-Gun at times as well as general range use.
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Wow, I never considered the Atlas as the Benchmark, I really appreciate the OP's generosity but would give Harris that title.
Regarding how slow the legs are to deploy, shouldn't we also consider the time it takes to engage the target AFTER the legs are deployed? I'd suggest starting the clock with legs folded up, stop it when the target is hit, not just when legs are deployed and this will vary on each bipod design as well as the terrain and target orientation.
How many of us have gone to load our bipod to have one leg slide forward and catch at a bad angle so we then adjust/dig to get proper load? How many have had a leg fold up when moving into position? These issues are resolved at the cost of speed in leg deployment.
Also, to give a better understanding, everything the Atlas can do is done intentionally, meaning you will not catch a leg and deploy it, you will not hit a button and the leg extend. These were things to avoid to satisfy our target market which was not the competition market. Our plan is to design a "Match" style bipod for speed for that market after the 5H is done.
On the dirt/sand jamming the collars, by design, balls in over-sized holes, they can be cleared by pulling them down then sliding the outer leg up and down a few times and rotating the collars.
We do not advertise our who our military "cool guy" customers are but it is our honor to have them as customers. So you will have to take my word that they use their gear and reliability or functionality in dirt and sand has not been an issue we have been made aware of.
Again, thank you for comments, we thrive on feedback and appreciate all the support and we will never take it for granted.
Wow, I never considered the Atlas as the Benchmark, I really appreciate the OP's generosity but would give Harris that title.
Regarding how slow the legs are to deploy, shouldn't we also consider the time it takes to engage the target AFTER the legs are deployed? I'd suggest starting the clock with legs folded up, stop it when the target is hit, not just when legs are deployed and this will vary on each bipod design as well as the terrain and target orientation.
How many of us have gone to load our bipod to have one leg slide forward and catch at a bad angle so we then adjust/dig to get proper load? How many have had a leg fold up when moving into position? These issues are resolved at the cost of speed in leg deployment.
Also, to give a better understanding, everything the Atlas can do is done intentionally, meaning you will not catch a leg and deploy it, you will not hit a button and the leg extend. These were things to avoid to satisfy our target market which was not the competition market. Our plan is to design a "Match" style bipod for speed for that market after the 5H is done.
On the dirt/sand jamming the collars, by design, balls in over-sized holes, they can be cleared by pulling them down then sliding the outer leg up and down a few times and rotating the collars.
We do not advertise our who our military "cool guy" customers are but it is our honor to have them as customers. So you will have to take my word that they use their gear and reliability or functionality in dirt and sand has not been an issue we have been made aware of.
Again, thank you for comments, we thrive on feedback and appreciate all the support and we will never take it for granted.
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