I would like to build a custom bolt action and I'm wondering what the approximate prices are on these actions? Also, if you can give an opinion as to why you would recommend one over the other that would be great. Another question are "Flush cups" mentioned in some GAP builds another name for QD sling swivels?
Badger M2008 or GAP Templar for my custom build?
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Re: Badger M2008 or GAP Templar for my custom build?
You cant just go buy a GAP Templar. You can buy a Defiance action with the specs of a Templar. Just contact Glen at Defiance Machine.
You will find fans of every action on the market, if you don't personal know why you want one over the other you need to buy a 5R shoot 5000 rounds then start thinking about a custom rig or re-barreling the 5R.
Flush cups are the female end for a QD swivel to attach to.
You cant just go buy a GAP Templar. You can buy a Defiance action with the specs of a Templar. Just contact Glen at Defiance Machine.
You will find fans of every action on the market, if you don't personal know why you want one over the other you need to buy a 5R shoot 5000 rounds then start thinking about a custom rig or re-barreling the 5R.
Flush cups are the female end for a QD swivel to attach to.
Re: Badger M2008 or GAP Templar for my custom build?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 264Charlie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You cant just go buy a GAP Templar. You can buy a Defiance action with the specs of a Templar. Just contact Glen at Defiance Machine.
You will find fans of every action on the market, if you don't personal know why you want one over the other you need to buy a 5R shoot 5000 rounds then start thinking about a custom rig or re-barreling the 5R.
Flush cups are the female end for a QD swivel to attach to. </div></div>
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The OP is just wondering the pros and cons over each action essentially. Relax.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 264Charlie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You cant just go buy a GAP Templar. You can buy a Defiance action with the specs of a Templar. Just contact Glen at Defiance Machine.
You will find fans of every action on the market, if you don't personal know why you want one over the other you need to buy a 5R shoot 5000 rounds then start thinking about a custom rig or re-barreling the 5R.
Flush cups are the female end for a QD swivel to attach to. </div></div>
???
The OP is just wondering the pros and cons over each action essentially. Relax.
Re: Badger M2008 or GAP Templar for my custom build?
6 in one hand, half dozen in the other...
I love my Badger actions, but the Templar is a super action. The only thing you get out of one over the other is the 60 degree bolt throw on the Badger.
6 in one hand, half dozen in the other...
I love my Badger actions, but the Templar is a super action. The only thing you get out of one over the other is the 60 degree bolt throw on the Badger.
Re: Badger M2008 or GAP Templar for my custom build?
I think what 264 was getting at is that when you are dealing with quality manufacturers (i.e. Badger, Defiance, etc.) it really comes down to what features YOU like best. And since is seemed that the OP may be new to this whole game, he may be better served to buy a Remington, shoot the shit out of it, and figure out exactly what he wants the rifle to be able to do and what features are important to him. THEN, with that information in hand, he will be able to seek out the custom action that fits his needs without having already blown a bunch of money for something that may or may not be what he needs.
Or maybe I'm totally wrong. That's happened too.
I think what 264 was getting at is that when you are dealing with quality manufacturers (i.e. Badger, Defiance, etc.) it really comes down to what features YOU like best. And since is seemed that the OP may be new to this whole game, he may be better served to buy a Remington, shoot the shit out of it, and figure out exactly what he wants the rifle to be able to do and what features are important to him. THEN, with that information in hand, he will be able to seek out the custom action that fits his needs without having already blown a bunch of money for something that may or may not be what he needs.
Or maybe I'm totally wrong. That's happened too.
Re: Badger M2008 or GAP Templar for my custom build?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rr155</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The badger has an integral recoil lug (2). </div></div>
Yeah, but you can have the lug pinned on a Templar.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rr155</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The badger has an integral recoil lug (2). </div></div>
Yeah, but you can have the lug pinned on a Templar.
Re: Badger M2008 or GAP Templar for my custom build?
Only way to get the Templar would be in a barreled action. Badger can be purchased by itself. Personally I went with Gap Templar, very similar to the Rem700 with which I am familiar. Both high quality pieces......
Only way to get the Templar would be in a barreled action. Badger can be purchased by itself. Personally I went with Gap Templar, very similar to the Rem700 with which I am familiar. Both high quality pieces......
Re: Badger M2008 or GAP Templar for my custom build?
I apologize for not making myself as clear as I should have. I would be looking at either a barreled action or complete build from GAP. I just would like to know the pros and cons of each. I appreciate the input.
I apologize for not making myself as clear as I should have. I would be looking at either a barreled action or complete build from GAP. I just would like to know the pros and cons of each. I appreciate the input.
Re: Badger M2008 or GAP Templar for my custom build?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GunGuru727</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 264Charlie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You cant just go buy a GAP Templar. You can buy a Defiance action with the specs of a Templar. Just contact Glen at Defiance Machine.
You will find fans of every action on the market, if you don't personal know why you want one over the other you need to buy a 5R shoot 5000 rounds then start thinking about a custom rig or re-barreling the 5R.
Flush cups are the female end for a QD swivel to attach to. </div></div>
???
The OP is just wondering the pros and cons over each action essentially. Relax.</div></div>
Pros and cons are to personal on custom actions... You can go is circles for years and not come out with a clear winner. You have to pick the action YOU want based on how you shoot. Sorry if you don't like the truth man.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: J-Ham</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think what 264 was getting at is that when you are dealing with quality manufacturers (i.e. Badger, Defiance, etc.) it really comes down to what features YOU like best. And since is seemed that the OP may be new to this whole game, he may be better served to buy a Remington, shoot the shit out of it, and figure out exactly what he wants the rifle to be able to do and what features are important to him. THEN, with that information in hand, he will be able to seek out the custom action that fits his needs without having already blown a bunch of money for something that may or may not be what he needs.
Or maybe I'm totally wrong. That's happened too.</div></div>
100% agree
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GunGuru727</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 264Charlie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You cant just go buy a GAP Templar. You can buy a Defiance action with the specs of a Templar. Just contact Glen at Defiance Machine.
You will find fans of every action on the market, if you don't personal know why you want one over the other you need to buy a 5R shoot 5000 rounds then start thinking about a custom rig or re-barreling the 5R.
Flush cups are the female end for a QD swivel to attach to. </div></div>
???
The OP is just wondering the pros and cons over each action essentially. Relax.</div></div>
Pros and cons are to personal on custom actions... You can go is circles for years and not come out with a clear winner. You have to pick the action YOU want based on how you shoot. Sorry if you don't like the truth man.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: J-Ham</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think what 264 was getting at is that when you are dealing with quality manufacturers (i.e. Badger, Defiance, etc.) it really comes down to what features YOU like best. And since is seemed that the OP may be new to this whole game, he may be better served to buy a Remington, shoot the shit out of it, and figure out exactly what he wants the rifle to be able to do and what features are important to him. THEN, with that information in hand, he will be able to seek out the custom action that fits his needs without having already blown a bunch of money for something that may or may not be what he needs.
Or maybe I'm totally wrong. That's happened too.</div></div>
100% agree
Re: Badger M2008 or GAP Templar for my custom build?
GAP can also make you barrels for the M2008 without needing your rifle. Not so with any other action besides AI.
built mine in 308, but an order will be placed soon for a 6XC, and a 284 barrel.
GAP can also make you barrels for the M2008 without needing your rifle. Not so with any other action besides AI.
built mine in 308, but an order will be placed soon for a 6XC, and a 284 barrel.
Re: Badger M2008 or GAP Templar for my custom build?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cjgemm</div><div class="ubbcode-body">GAP can also make you barrels for the M2008 without needing your rifle. Not so with any other action besides AI. </div></div>
That's is not really true... Any smith can chamber a barrel if you give them the specs needed.
After GAP chambers your Rifle the 1st time they will keep you specs and can send you barrels from then on.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cjgemm</div><div class="ubbcode-body">GAP can also make you barrels for the M2008 without needing your rifle. Not so with any other action besides AI. </div></div>
That's is not really true... Any smith can chamber a barrel if you give them the specs needed.
After GAP chambers your Rifle the 1st time they will keep you specs and can send you barrels from then on.
Re: Badger M2008 or GAP Templar for my custom build?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cjgemm</div><div class="ubbcode-body">GAP can also make you barrels for the M2008 without needing your rifle. </div></div>Really?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cjgemm</div><div class="ubbcode-body">GAP can also make you barrels for the M2008 without needing your rifle. </div></div>Really?
Re: Badger M2008 or GAP Templar for my custom build?
After handling a couple rifles with Badger action, I went with a Defiance. The Badgers just seemed to chunky for me.
After handling a couple rifles with Badger action, I went with a Defiance. The Badgers just seemed to chunky for me.
Re: Badger M2008 or GAP Templar for my custom build?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bm11</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cjgemm</div><div class="ubbcode-body">GAP can also make you barrels for the M2008 without needing your rifle. </div></div>Really? </div></div>
The M2008 and an AI use a breaching ring making this possible.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bm11</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cjgemm</div><div class="ubbcode-body">GAP can also make you barrels for the M2008 without needing your rifle. </div></div>Really? </div></div>
The M2008 and an AI use a breaching ring making this possible.
Re: Badger M2008 or GAP Templar for my custom build?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cjgemm</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
The M2008 and an AI use a breaching ring making this possible. </div></div>But the 2008 would have to have a very consistent headspace standard from model to model, is this the case?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cjgemm</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
The M2008 and an AI use a breaching ring making this possible. </div></div>But the 2008 would have to have a very consistent headspace standard from model to model, is this the case?
Re: Badger M2008 or GAP Templar for my custom build?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bm11</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cjgemm</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
The M2008 and an AI use a breaching ring making this possible. </div></div>But the 2008 would have to have a very consistent headspace standard from model to model, is this the case? </div></div>
After talking to my smith that put together my Badger, he said yes. He could chamber a barrel without the action being there. They are custom actions, not your normal factory action where it has to be trued.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bm11</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cjgemm</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
The M2008 and an AI use a breaching ring making this possible. </div></div>But the 2008 would have to have a very consistent headspace standard from model to model, is this the case? </div></div>
After talking to my smith that put together my Badger, he said yes. He could chamber a barrel without the action being there. They are custom actions, not your normal factory action where it has to be trued.
Re: Badger M2008 or GAP Templar for my custom build?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bacarrat</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
After talking to my smith that put together my Badger, he said yes. He could chamber a barrel without the action being there. They are custom actions, not your normal factory action where it has to be trued. </div></div>That is one thing- having the same smith you chambered a barrel for YOUR action chamber you another one. He's already measured it. For it to hold true for ANY 2008, they would have to have very consistent headspace.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bacarrat</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
After talking to my smith that put together my Badger, he said yes. He could chamber a barrel without the action being there. They are custom actions, not your normal factory action where it has to be trued. </div></div>That is one thing- having the same smith you chambered a barrel for YOUR action chamber you another one. He's already measured it. For it to hold true for ANY 2008, they would have to have very consistent headspace.
Re: Badger M2008 or GAP Templar for my custom build?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bm11</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bacarrat</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
After talking to my smith that put together my Badger, he said yes. He could chamber a barrel without the action being there. They are custom actions, not your normal factory action where it has to be trued. </div></div>That is one thing- having the same smith you chambered a barrel for YOUR action chamber you another one. He's already measured it. For it to hold true for ANY 2008, they would have to have very consistent headspace. </div></div>
Most of them should be pretty damn close. But there isn't too many actions or smiths out there that is just going to send you a chambered barrel blind without having the action in hand first. I even hear that GAP want's to get their hands on the AIs before doing a barrel for them. Personally, if I wanted another barrel chambered, I'm giving it to the smith to have it done right. I have other rifles I can shoot.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bm11</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bacarrat</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
After talking to my smith that put together my Badger, he said yes. He could chamber a barrel without the action being there. They are custom actions, not your normal factory action where it has to be trued. </div></div>That is one thing- having the same smith you chambered a barrel for YOUR action chamber you another one. He's already measured it. For it to hold true for ANY 2008, they would have to have very consistent headspace. </div></div>
Most of them should be pretty damn close. But there isn't too many actions or smiths out there that is just going to send you a chambered barrel blind without having the action in hand first. I even hear that GAP want's to get their hands on the AIs before doing a barrel for them. Personally, if I wanted another barrel chambered, I'm giving it to the smith to have it done right. I have other rifles I can shoot.
Re: Badger M2008 or GAP Templar for my custom build?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bacarrat</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Most of them should be pretty damn close. But there isn't too many actions or smiths out there that is just going to send you a chambered barrel blind without having the action in hand first. I even hear that GAP want's to get their hands on the AIs before doing a barrel for them. Personally, if I wanted another barrel chambered, I'm giving it to the smith to have it done right. I have other rifles I can shoot. </div></div>I'll probably send my AW out when it's time for a rebarrel, for that very reason- I'd like to get it as close as possible.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bacarrat</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Most of them should be pretty damn close. But there isn't too many actions or smiths out there that is just going to send you a chambered barrel blind without having the action in hand first. I even hear that GAP want's to get their hands on the AIs before doing a barrel for them. Personally, if I wanted another barrel chambered, I'm giving it to the smith to have it done right. I have other rifles I can shoot. </div></div>I'll probably send my AW out when it's time for a rebarrel, for that very reason- I'd like to get it as close as possible.
Re: Badger M2008 or GAP Templar for my custom build?
To the OP, I just brought up the barrel thing cause no one else did. It was one of the major influences for me, Wanted a switch barrel from the start. I had GAP build my rifle and have no problem having them make me more barrels. Bottom line is anything GAP is building (m2008 or Templar) is going to be great.
To the OP, I just brought up the barrel thing cause no one else did. It was one of the major influences for me, Wanted a switch barrel from the start. I had GAP build my rifle and have no problem having them make me more barrels. Bottom line is anything GAP is building (m2008 or Templar) is going to be great.
Re: Badger M2008 or GAP Templar for my custom build?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cjgemm</div><div class="ubbcode-body">To the OP, I just brought up the barrel thing cause no one else did. It was one of the major influences for me, Wanted a switch barrel from the start. I had GAP build my rifle and have no problem having them make me more barrels. Bottom line is anything GAP is building (m2008 or Templar) is going to be great. </div></div>It IS a nice selling point- especially if it is your primary or only rig.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cjgemm</div><div class="ubbcode-body">To the OP, I just brought up the barrel thing cause no one else did. It was one of the major influences for me, Wanted a switch barrel from the start. I had GAP build my rifle and have no problem having them make me more barrels. Bottom line is anything GAP is building (m2008 or Templar) is going to be great. </div></div>It IS a nice selling point- especially if it is your primary or only rig.
Re: Badger M2008 or GAP Templar for my custom build?
Any smith that fits up your action and barrel can build you another barrel without the action providing he makes a print with the critical dimentions for your action
The Defiance actions are awsome , very very well built and very smooth and a bit lighter than the Badger action.
The badger action looks and feels like somthing that should be bolted to a tank , very very rigged built and also very well made but a bit heavy and not plaeasing for some to look at.
can't go wrong with either
Any smith that fits up your action and barrel can build you another barrel without the action providing he makes a print with the critical dimentions for your action
The Defiance actions are awsome , very very well built and very smooth and a bit lighter than the Badger action.
The badger action looks and feels like somthing that should be bolted to a tank , very very rigged built and also very well made but a bit heavy and not plaeasing for some to look at.
can't go wrong with either
