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Gunsmithing Badger Recoil Lug

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Ferryman

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#1
Hi Guys.

I have a Badger recoil lug that is .313 thick.
I have gout my new AICS stock which will need the recoil lug slot opened up to accept the new Badger recoil lug.

My options are.

1. Open up the recoil lug slot to accept the bager Lug
2. Purchase a Holland or other lug that will fit the slot
3. Put the Badger on the surface grinder and reduce the thickness to fit the stock.

You guys are way more experienced than me so I welcome your thoughts on this.
 
#3
Re: Badger Recoil Lug

option 4 is to chuck up the barreled action in a lathe and face the front (barrel side) of the recoil lug until it fits. i've done this, and it is the least expensive option if you can do it.
 
#4
Re: Badger Recoil Lug

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1sikpupi</div><div class="ubbcode-body">option 4 is to chuck up the barreled action in a lathe and face the front (barrel side) of the recoil lug until it fits. i've done this, and it is the least expensive option if you can do it. </div></div>

then why use an oversized lug in the first place?



Look man you just open up the lug area in the chasis with a mill, then bed it. It's a $1000 stock. Dont half ass it
 
#6
Re: Badger Recoil Lug

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AZPrecision</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1sikpupi</div><div class="ubbcode-body">option 4 is to chuck up the barreled action in a lathe and face the front (barrel side) of the recoil lug until it fits. i've done this, and it is the least expensive option if you can do it. </div></div>

then why use an oversized lug in the first place?



Look man you just open up the lug area in the chasis with a mill, then bed it. It's a $1000 stock. Dont half ass it </div></div>

dropping a barreled action from another rifle into an AICS

i saw no reason to hack a $900 stock when i could cut the $30 lug. just sayin'

half assing it? LMFAO. and bedding an AICS? nope.
 
#7
Re: Badger Recoil Lug

My thoughs is I would prefer to surface grind the lug to a nice snug fit.

I don't want to go hacking a $1'000 stock around less I have to.

I had a long wait as this is a Left Handed Long Action.

I did a web search and I think the Holland lug would drop right in.

Fortunately the barrel is not yet chambered and screwed into the action so reducing the thickness of the lug will not effect the headspacing or chamber.
 
#8
Re: Badger Recoil Lug

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AZPrecision</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
then why use an oversized lug in the first place?

</div></div>

Good question.

Why indeed?
 
#9
Re: Badger Recoil Lug

First, mic the badger recoil lug and check it for exact flatness / parallelism, you might be surprised. Next, use it during your build and have installed as per usual. Have the recoil lug slot in your chassis milled forward to accept the recoil lug and if needed, mill the bottom of the recoil lug for clearance, not the bottom of the recoil lug slot in the chassis.

This is exactly what I do when using the AI Chassis and over sized recoil lugs (over .250" thick) The newer AI Chassis already have a .250" slot milled into them for the recoil lug.
 
#10
Re: Badger Recoil Lug

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RADcustom</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AZPrecision</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
then why use an oversized lug in the first place?

</div></div>

Good question.

Why indeed? </div></div>

Because they're cool and chicks digem
 
#11
Re: Badger Recoil Lug

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wnroscoe</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RADcustom</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AZPrecision</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
then why use an oversized lug in the first place?

</div></div>

Good question.

Why indeed? </div></div>

Because they're cool and chicks digem </div></div>

Oh! OK. I'm glad to know there is a good reason.

I guess I haven't seen many chicks at the range that I want "diggin" on my lug.
 
#13
Re: Badger Recoil Lug

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ferryman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My thoughs is I would prefer to surface grind the lug to a nice snug fit.

I don't want to go hacking a $1'000 stock around less I have to.

I had a long wait as this is a Left Handed Long Action.

I did a web search and I think the Holland lug would drop right in.

Fortunately the barrel is not yet chambered and screwed into the action so reducing the thickness of the lug will not effect the headspacing or chamber. </div></div>

Badger lug is way overkill in my opinion. The Holland will drop right in and looks better anyway. You will have to shorten the lug however to factory lengh or it will bottom out on the stock.
 
#14
Re: Badger Recoil Lug

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wnroscoe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You're going to the wrong range then. </div></div>

Obviously
 
#15
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">First, mic the badger recoil lug and check it for exact flatness / <span style="font-weight: bold">parallelism, you might be surprised</span>.</div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Badger lug is way overkill in my opinion.</div></div>

Last time I inspected a few they were not heat treated and that is not good in my Professional opinion. The thick lug is an over kill no doubt
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<span style="font-weight: bold">Mike
Tac Ops</span>
 
#16
Re: Badger Recoil Lug

Mod the recoil lug recess in the AICS to fit the Badger lug. You could replace the recoil lug with one that will fit the stock, but you will need a smith to remove the barrel, recut the shoulder on the barrel for the thinner recoil lug, re-chamber the barrel and mabee recut the barrel threads.

Kirk R
 
#17
Re: Badger Recoil Lug

I have yet to hear of a lug that did not benefit from some surface grinding. That being said, if you have not yet machined the shoulder of your barrel to accept the Badger lug, I would opt for one that will fit the .250 slot in the chassis. You may still have to mill the bottom of the lug shorter to fit the depth, but better to mill a $35 lug than a $1K chassis.
 
#18
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I never realized what little lug area is needed on a rifle till I saw a few Bat action.

even a thin weak lug will likely be stronger than the stock material or bedding compound.
 
#19
Re: Badger Recoil Lug

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JJones75</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I never realized what little lug area is needed on a rifle till I saw a few Bat action. </div></div>

I'm coming out with a Single Shot BR / Live Varmint Receiver in a few weeks........no recoil lug will be used.
 
#20
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm coming out with a Single Shot BR / Live Varmint Receiver in a few weeks........no recoil lug will be used.</div></div>

<span style="font-weight: bold">Roscoe</span> that sounds GTG may I try one to see if I can get it to shoot
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Call me I am on Coms in about 10 having my dago wop coffee break lol

<span style="font-weight: bold">Mike
Tac Ops</span>
 
#21
Re: Badger Recoil Lug

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JJones75</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
even a thin weak lug will likely be stronger than the stock material or bedding compound. </div></div>

...or the shoulder behind the stock.
 
#22
Re: Badger Recoil Lug

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Black Ops</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I'm having my dago wop coffee break lol

<span style="font-weight: bold">Mike
Tac Ops</span> </div></div>

Triple espresso latté with Italian Crème
 
#23
Re: Badger Recoil Lug

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wnroscoe</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Black Ops</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I'm having my dago wop coffee break lol

<span style="font-weight: bold">Mike
Tac Ops</span> </div></div>

Triple espresso latté with Italian Crème </div></div>

Roscoe and I'll stick to our tin cup full of moonshine....
 
#26
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Ok discussion over LOL

I set the surface grinder up and now have a recoil lug of correct dimensions to fit the factory stock' without any machining to the stock.

That was why I have waited to get the barrel threaded and chambered until I had the stock.

I wanted to make sure everything was going to fit.
 
#28
Re: Badger Recoil Lug

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ferryman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I set the surface grinder up and now have a recoil lug of correct dimensions to fit the factory stock' without any machining to the stock. </div></div>

I bet it's flat too.......both sides.
 
#30
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Skunkworks</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yep....The challenge is to get them flat and have both sides completely perpendicular to the hole.... </div></div>

i've also started machining a chamfer around the hole in the recoil lug on the side that faces the barrel shoulder. this way i don't have to worry about any radius between the tenon and shoulder left by the turning tool.
 
#32
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since i index the muzzle pointing up, my shoulder will most likely change from the initial cut. i found that can leave an ugly looking tenon under the lug with an extra relief. if i ever do this for customers, i don't want another rifle builder down the line pulling a barrel off something i did and going "eeeeeeeew!".
 
#34
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<span style="font-weight: bold"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Roscoe and I'll stick to our tin cup full of moonshine....</div></div></span>

Don't tell me you all machine after having a tin cup full like a few others I have heard about
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You are both killing me LMAO.

<span style="font-weight: bold">Mike
Tac Ops</span>
 
#38
Re: Badger Recoil Lug

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wnroscoe</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RADcustom</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AZPrecision</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
then why use an oversized lug in the first place?

</div></div>

Good question.

Why indeed? </div></div>

Because they're cool and chicks digem </div></div>

I have "heard" stories about breaking the .188 recoil lug on factory Remys but it always seemed to me that something else must have been wrong or the part was bad when it was made.

I personally have never seen a gun shoot better because a thick recoil lug was installed. Having everything true, flat, square and bedded correctly is where it is at for accuracy. A heavier lug does not hurt either

If you are jumping out of helicopters or carrying it on an ATV, built heavier is probably a good thing for obvious reasons.
 
#39
Re: Badger Recoil Lug

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: keydiverfla</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Where are the chicks?...The ones who luv lugs? </div></div>

i told my chick i have a three hundred thousandths long lug and she said she thought i was exaggerating
grin.gif
 
#41
Re: Badger Recoil Lug

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 300sniper</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: keydiverfla</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Where are the chicks?...The ones who luv lugs? </div></div>

i told my chick i have a three hundred thousandths long lug and she said she thought i was exaggerating
grin.gif
</div></div>

Is that after you folded it in half?
 
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