Bartlein barrel on Remington 700

[nfoley]

New to this forum - thought I would ask if anyone has had Bartlein do the install on their rifle? Am debating between Bartlein and GA Precision to do the work (either way its getting the bartlein barrel)
Thanks for any input,
Nils

 

[YN*Dotte]

Re: Bartlein barrel on Remington 700

Bartlein's good to go for sure, GA precision uses them on most of their rifles and they are lasers. Here is a link to a older thread:

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=755239

 

[glock24]

Re: Bartlein barrel on Remington 700

My general rule of thumb is to let barrel makers make barrels, and let gunsmiths install barrels.

That said, I had a Bartlein barrel installed on my Sako by Bartlein. They did a very professional job, and it shoots unbelievably well.

I then sent that same rifle to a reputable gunsmith for barrel fluting. With the barrel off, he measured 0.015" run-out in the chamber. I think most reputable gunsmiths can do better than that.

Would I let Bartlein chamber another barrel for me? If the prices and lead-times where favorable, I would seriously consider it. If they were equal, then I'd leave the work to a gunsmith (just because of my general rule of thumb above)

 

[shoot4fun]

Re: Bartlein barrel on Remington 700

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: glock24</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My rule of thumb is to let barrel makers make barrels, and let gunsmiths install barrels.

That said, I had a Bartlein barrel installed on my Sako by Bartlien. It shoots unbelievably well.

I then sent that same rifle for a reputable gunsmith for barrel fluting. With the barrel off, he measured 0.015" run-out in the chamber. I think most reputable gunsmiths could do better than that.</div></div>


Then it would appear that .015" run out causes no degradation of accuracy.
Have you compared that to a GAP or other "famous maker" to see how they stack up?

 

[glock24]

Re: Bartlein barrel on Remington 700

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shoot4fun</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Then it would appear that .015" run out causes no degradation of accuracy.
Have you compared that to a GAP or other "famous maker" to see how they stack up?
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I don't own any GAP rifles. They never answered my phone-calls or e-mails.

I do have a couple other custom builds by "famous maker" 'smiths, and I cannot say they shoot any better than my Bartlein built rifle. Have I ever measured their chamber run-outs? No. I can only go by what they tell me.

 

[YN*Dotte]

Re: Bartlein barrel on Remington 700

Thought I might add, I was a little vague with my initial answer, I more or less meant to say what the gentlemen above me said. They make great barrels, but gunsmithing work is best left to gunsmiths IMO.

 

[300sniper]

Re: Bartlein barrel on Remington 700

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: glock24</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My general rule of thumb is to let barrel makers make barrels, and let gunsmiths install barrels.

That said, I had a Bartlein barrel installed on my Sako by Bartlein. They did a very professional job, and it shoots unbelievably well.

<span style="color: #FF0000">I then sent that same rifle to a reputable gunsmith for barrel fluting. With the barrel off, he measured 0.015" run-out in the chamber. I think most reputable gunsmiths can do better than that.</span>

Would I let Bartlein chamber another barrel for me? If the prices and lead-times where favorable, I would seriously consider it. If they were equal, then I'd leave the work to a gunsmith (just because of my general rule of thumb above)

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i'd like to know how your smith determined there was 15 thousandths of runout in the chamber. 15 thousandths is a lot of runout in a chamber, if that measurement is in relation to the bore centerline. i certainly haven't tried it but i don't think a camber having .015" of runout in relation to the bore would be able to shoot "unbelievably well".

if the smith was fluting a barrel, i suspect he was measuring the relation of the od of the barrel to the chamber. this is an irrelevant measurement.

 

[shoot4fun]

Re: Bartlein barrel on Remington 700

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: glock24</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shoot4fun</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Then it would appear that .015" run out causes no degradation of accuracy.
Have you compared that to a GAP or other "famous maker" to see how they stack up?
</div></div>

I don't own any GAP rifles. They never answered my phone-calls or e-mails.

I do have a couple other custom builds by "famous maker" 'smiths, and I cannot say they shoot any better than my Bartlein built rifle. Have I ever measured their chamber run-outs? No. I can only go by what they tell me. </div></div>

Wish they hadn't answered a couple of my calls. I'd probably have more money in the bank!
I do agree that having a barrel job done by a gunsmith may be the best route to take.
I guess I am just saying that you would have been tickled with Bartlein's installation had not this other gunsmith made you aware of the dreaded .015" run out, huh?
Little tip. Some Gunsmiths like to throw off a little on other's work just to make themselves look worthy. Not accusing, just MHO.

 

[nfoley]

Re: Bartlein barrel on Remington 700

Thanks for the replies. Makes good sense. Having it bedded at same time so will have the precision guys do the work. Now I guess just sit back and wait the 6 months for the barrel...

 

[YN*Dotte]

Re: Bartlein barrel on Remington 700

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: nfoley</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks for the replies. Makes good sense. Having it bedded at same time so will have the precision guys do the work. Now I guess just sit back and wait the 6 months for the barrel... </div></div>

Just thought I would say, I see quite a few high end barrels (scheider, broughton, hart) barrels up for sale every now and then in the for sale section of the sight. Might save you a few allot of waiting.

 

[Kaisersose]

Re: Bartlein barrel on Remington 700

You might try calling one of "famous smiths" on here.

George at GAP usually has some barrels on hand. He is also good about responding to emails.

Check commercial sales section, there are several vendors that support the site with Mike Rock barrels available.

 

[tman300wm]

Re: Bartlein barrel on Remington 700

I have a Bartlein on my GAP built Rem700SA in .260Rem. It's a great barrel on a great build, and it’s very accurate. However, I'm not sure that any one of the top end barrels is better than the other, and I'm not so sure that GAP is any better than any of the other gunsmiths who build rifles for the tactical arena.

I have several rifles (Savage, Remington, AR’s) that have various other brands of barrels and that are built by a number of other smiths, and they shoot as well or better than my GAP rifle. My GAP/Bartlein in .260 Rem seems to be finicky and only likes 142SMK's. As where my Savage .260 Rem is a disposal, and will eat whatever you feed it and send the remains down range with incredible accuracy. My point is, I believe that there are so many variables in the equation it's hard to pin-point one component as the pivotal factor in the game of accuracy. There are a bunch of guys building great rifles, and there are an equal number of barrel makers producing button and cut rifled barrels in all sorts of materials. Any of the high end barrels and a competent smith can produce a rifle that will deliver greater accuracy than you know what to do with. Is there a combination of smith, action, trigger, stock, optics, and barrel that is the holly grail? No! Get what you want, any thing less will only lead to disappointment. If you feel that Bartlein is the only real choice in a barrel than by all means get a Bartlein. Can GAP install that barrel on your action? Hell yes! And you will most likely have a very accurate rifle when it’s all said and done.

Good luck and let us all know what route you decide to go and how the rifle shoots when it’s finished.

 

[nfoley]

Re: Bartlein barrel on Remington 700

Ken over at GAP has been pretty darned helpful with a lot of questions. I know there reputation is excellent. Gonna have them do the work. Will post up when its all done (it'll be a while). Im sure there are others that could do it, but I appreciate good customer service, and it seems to me they have that. I have to say Bartlein has been extremely helpful as well. Thanks for all your input - my gut instinct was to have GAP do the work and now I am solid with it.