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Gunsmithing base screw problem

motochamp250

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alright so a few weeks ago i ordered a seekins base and rings to mount my nightforce on my lapua and about 2 weeks after i received them i was of work and decided to mount it. well i accidently got sent 6-48 screws. no problem i have some 8-40's left from my larue stuff...i go to put the screws in and the seekins screw that comes with their base on the front end is way shorter and the screw i have hits the bolt. j/w how you guys would go about trimming this bolt as i have googled and googled and come up with nothing....thanks in advance!
hunter
 
Re: base screw problem

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Brain</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hand file.

Trim and fit until it isn't protruding into the bolt way. </div></div>

+1... Bingo
 
Re: base screw problem

a pretty good amount has to be taken off i believe...which is why i thought about the hacksaw..if i had a nut to screw on it id hacksaw it or cut it no prob...but i don't..
 
Re: base screw problem

The standard machine screws are 6-32, 6-40, 8-32, and 8-36.
But for fastening scope mounts to receivers, we use 6-48 or 8-40, which are non standard.
I buy the non standard taps, dies, and bulk screws from brownells, a gunsmithing supply house:
http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=19929/Product/LONG_6_48___8_40_SCREWS

I often start out with long screws. I drill and tap dozens of different rifle designs and use many non standard or shop built scope mounts.
e.g. Today I am drilling and tapping a Sav 219 for a Weaver #74, which is made for a Sav 24.
e.g. Today I am also drilling and tapping the front mount of Rem510 on the receiver, not the barrel, so a Weaver #43 will be used, instead of a Weaver #42 barrel mount.

When the screw is shortened [with grinder or hack saw], the tip of the threads is fouled. It is very difficult to get a screw with a fouled tip to start in a threaded hole.
So I put the screw through a die or a pair of nuts before shortening it.
The die or nuts will be used to reform the threads on the tip, before they are completely removed from the screw.
The die or nuts also make a good way to hang onto the screw while shortening it.

Then I use the fine grinder on the end of the screw.
The screw is then backed off into the nut or dies and given half turns in and out while different angles of radial force are applied.
This raises the burr on the end of the threads.
I use the fine grinder again making a tiny bevel at the tip of the threads. This removes the burr.

With 6-48, there are not many nuts around, so we make nuts with Hex steel and the 6-48 tap.

For standard set ups, like VZ24s with #45 and #46 steel Weaver mounts, I have a 3/8" thick plate 1010 steel with drilled and tapped hole with the correct depth milled on the screw head side. The screw is screwed into the plate, and flush ground on the other side with the end wheel of the grinding wheel. The screw comes out of the plate already the exact correct length.

Without such a jig, I must count the turns.
e.g. If a rear mount screw interferes with the bolt movement, I back out the screw until the bolt moves freely or the screw looks like it is not protruding into the bolt bore. Then I screw it all the way in, counting the number of turns until the screw is tight. That number of turns represents the number of threads that need to be cut off the end of the screw.

The Tap Magic or Moly Dee or whatever cutting fluid is used to tap the threads, and what ever release agent is on the threads for glass bedding the mount to the receiver must be cleaned off before Loctite can be applied to the threads.
Loctite is like glue, and it does not bond through oil.

Steve Wagner has his own way of shortening screws:
http://www272.pair.com/stevewag/screwholder/screwholder.html
 
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me, i would hold the base,insert the screw that is too long,look at the bottom side and get an idea how much needs to be cut off,maybe use the end that is ok as a reference.hacksaw will work ,after you saw it put a bevel around the end of the threads using a file , grinder ,belt sander, anything that will give you the bevel.
 
Re: base screw problem

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: motochamp250</div><div class="ubbcode-body">it wont mangle the threads? </div></div>

Cut the screw with the blunt instrument (suggest a cutoff wheel) a bit longer then it needs to be. Get to finished length with the hand file. Use hand file lightly at 45° angle to the screw's long axis to clean up the rough edge. Should start into threaded hole smooth as silk.
 
Re: base screw problem

LOL this is the perfect thread for me. I just ordered a seekins 20 MOA base for my 700p lapua for a nightforce(similar setups even). I don't know what length of 8-40 torx screws to buy. I find them in lengths of .360", .205",.280". I don't mind cutting them down like you recommended but if I could get the right size first or close that would really help. Thanks for your time


Jesse

Also not trying to thread steal motochamp It looked like you were done and alot of this info helps