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Rifle Scopes Beating Up Leupy?

MaverickNH

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So I'm sure everyone has their preferences. But I see a trend toward beating up Leupold for being a lesser-value scope.

As a newbie, struggling with purchasing a scope for my new Rem 700P, I keep wondering if I'm making good decisions. I suppose I should shut-up, get the gear, and start shooting, as that's when I'll learn, same as I did when I started pistol, CQB rifle, shotgun, etc. Who hasn't had regrets? That's what the 4sale forum section is for, eh?

But I'm thinking a Leupold M4 6.5-20x50 FFP TMR M5 now. Looks like they can be had for about $1500.

What's the alternative at this price? Are there Nightforce scopes that are FFP? The Leupy is missing an illuminated reticle, but $1500 is already my stretch budget, so I have to stop somewhere.

Thanks for the advice.
 
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I have a lupy 8.5-25 Mark 4 TMR reticle/w 1cm clicks on a 300wm It tracks as good a any NF or USO that I have ever had. The only problem is of the 5 or more that I have owned none of the others tracked as good as this one. It s Illum: SFP: I got for 1025.00 in great condition. So I am not the hard core Leupold hater yet. It was not that the others tracked bad, but just not as tight as the one I have now. Unless my shooting ability just has gotten better, but I doubt that cause I suck
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Are you stuck on FFP?

If not, I see used NFs go for 1250-1400 here all the time. Also, why not a USO ST-10? They start at 985 and you can get a nicely optioned one brand new, built how you want it, for the same price as the Leupold. Or you can pick one up cheaper here used.

If you are stuck on FFP, the quality ones are more expensive. NF F1s used are about 1800. Rarely, and I mean rarely, you can get a USO SN3 3.2-17 for that.

Bottom line, buy what you can afford. Don't stretch yourself. Stay within a set budget. Typical rules I follow are:

1x per 100y I plan to shoot.
Spend the same amount on the optic as the rifle.
Spend the same amount on your first batch of ammo as the rifle.

That will get you a quality rig and enough ammo to make you a quality shooter.
 
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You will not go wrong with Leupold , no matter what anyone says. They are very good scopes for the money. They have good glass and are reliable scopes and have a great warranty. They do seem to have a few quirks like the side focus thing , I havnot experianced any that dont track good but hell everything breaks. Now with that being said , I would not spend 1500 on a Leupold , I would find a used sfp mark4 (easy for under $1000) and shoot the hell out of it and not split any hairs until your budget allows and then you can still get out about what you have in the used mk4. If you were going to spend up to $1500 get a used NXS sfp. Now I know it looks like I am anti ffp scopes Im not , its just not a needed feature on a "starter scope" when on a budget. You can range just as good with a sfp as you can w/ a ffp you just have to be on the right power. Save the $ to upgrade to a ffp and spend it on ammo learning your new rifle. I hope this helps and keep in mind these are just my thoughts. Good luck
 
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Optics are about as subjective as an item and can be.

Internet forums are about as bandwagon as a mentality can get.

Those two above listed statements dont combine well.


There are lots of great options in optics and that is a good thing. Leupold is a very strong company, with great CS and warranties. And a market share that most other optics makers would kill for.

Leupold makes some great optics that will serve you well. As they have many service members in much tougher circumstances than you will likely put it through.

If you find one you like, jump on it.
 
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I chose the IOR 3-18x FFP. It does not find much favor here, but I have been extremely pleased.

I don't see anything particularly wrong with your selection, but the consensus seems to be nowadays that Leupolds are overpriced for what you are getting.

FWIW, weaver makes a couple of damn fine tactical models in FFP, one is 3-15x and the other I believe is 4-20. Neither has an illuminated reticle and they have the standard mil-dot.

If you are not looking to put glass on a rifle right this very minute, you may want to wait for the Viper PST's to hit the market. It has everything you want for quite a bit less.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: long range dogr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you're not dead set on a lupy,then heres this one. And it's well within your money amount.

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2150747#Post2150747 </div></div>

I read up and agree it is a good value, so called Scott at Liberty Optical this morning and placed an order for the Bushnell Elite 4200 6-24x50 FFP mil/mil scope, a base and rings.

I should have it on and get it zeroed in this weekend. With another $500+ for ammo compared to the Leupy.

Thanks to all for comments - I'm sure I'll have many more!
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tactical</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Nothing wrong with Leupold. They are on a bunch of real world weapons and provide a great scope. Resale is also very good. </div></div>

Lots of Leupolds have taken a dump in the real world as well.

When you look at sample sizes greater than one or two you notice things. Most of the guys cheerleading for them own onsies or twosies and may not have actually spent a lot of time twisting the turrets.

We have three new Leupold MKIV's on our Department LTR's. They work. The are overpriced and I didn't get the chance to weigh in on the selection. Nightforce is a much better option (also in use on many rifles downrange).

Can you get the job done with a Leupold? Yep. Do I feel there are better values AND better scopes? Yep.
 
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At the 2010 US National SWAT Competition, the Sniper competition was represented by about 95% Leupold. They are still a good piece of equipment, even if there are better items out there.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MaverickNH</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: long range dogr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you're not dead set on a lupy,then heres this one. And it's well within your money amount.

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2150747#Post2150747 </div></div>

I read up and agree it is a good value, so called Scott at Liberty Optical this morning and placed an order for the Bushnell Elite 4200 6-24x50 FFP mil/mil scope, a base and rings.

I should have it on and get it zeroed in this weekend. With another $500+ for ammo compared to the Leupy.

Thanks to all for comments - I'm sure I'll have many more! </div></div>

In all honesty, if I hadn't gotten a used Ior 3-18 for my 308 I would've got the bushnell ffp. It'll do all the things that leupie would do with glass that is comparable at half the price.

The only thing I'd add is that a 20moa base will be needed if you intend to shoot long range with it as they don't have a lot of internal adjustment.
 
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There is absolutely nothing wrong with Leupold for many applications. I still own several and still use them regularly, including several Mk4 scopes and several Vari-X III (and VX-3) and other "hunting" scopes. I will continue to use them until they go south and then I'll replace them with better scopes. BUT...Leupold has had its fair share of problems (many serious) over the last decade and that, along with Leupold failures I have personally experienced, lead me to other options!

Poor QC, a complete lack of innovation/product development (until fairly recently...Leupold didn't do FFP reticles, mil adjustments were unheard of, etc., etc.), a lack of paying an ounce of attention to the LE/Mil bases of their market, and so on have all contributed to Leupold's "slippage" in terms of its reputation. I have personally had two different Leupold Mk4 scopes go south on me in the last year or so with various problems. I had Leupold's warranty service done on them (1 repair...1 replace) and promptly dumped them once they were warrantied and I replaced them with NF scopes.

Also, lets not forget that when you start looking through some of the higher quality scopes (NF, PH, S&B, Hensoldt, etc.) that you quickly realize how good their glass is in comparison with the Leupolds. On top of all of this...Leupold's prices continue to escalate while their quality, innovation and available features along with their glass have stagnated.

The question I continue to ask myself when I see (FINALLY) new products from Leupold in the Mk4 lineup...why do I want to spend $1,500 or more on a new Leupold when comparable money or a little more gets me into a whole different class of optics that are vastly superior in virtually every respect?? My answer continues to be...I DON'T (and I buy something else)!
 
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Im currently running 4 lueps and Im not a die hard supporter of the product .
The scope I run on my dangerous game rifle fogged over a month after hunting season
so I called em and besides the original person questioning my ability to mount a scope to which I told them if there was a ring mark on it dont fix it just send it back
they are a great company they had my scope back in 10 days
and I told em not to rush.
they make in my opinion a great entry level scope no it isnt us optics or nf but for the distances and applications I use it for they are way beyond what I really need
now would I use it if I was overseas playing secret squirrel probably not especially
if the govs payin for it.
would I spend the money on s/b nf or the other pinnacle brands
I would love to but until the economy turns ill stick with what ive got which is the 4.5x14 w/tmr and that works quiet well
at the distances I shoot.
 
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"<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Tactical said:
Nothing wrong with Leupold. They are on a bunch of real world weapons and provide a great scope. Resale is also very good. </div></div>

Lots of Leupolds have taken a dump in the real world as well.

When you look at sample sizes greater than one or two you notice things. Most of the guys cheerleading for them own onsies or twosies and may not have actually spent a lot of time twisting the turrets."


Yeah, really I only used the one Leupold every day of every week for twenty years at work, and it never failed.It never had a scope related zero problem. The adjustments where accurate. I had no excuses with that scope.

Now of all the scopes seen on training sites ( SWAT) over several decades its only recently I started to hear problems about Leupold. Mostly on net.

My department had five sniper rifles with Leupolds and over my twenty five years there not one failed. Not one F'd up. I go to the Regional LE Training Center pretty regularly for Sniper Schools, to help on slings and guess what Leupold still is on 95 percent of the rifles. Funny how many make it through years of use with no problems.

Do I think Leupold is the best scope? No but hardly the turd some make them out to be.
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I love the old MK4 10x and 16x's. Still have one and the glass is amazing. I think they used to make great products, but somewhere have lost their way...
 
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JRose, you are right my old scope was an Ultra/MK4 as where two of the departments scopes. The other three where just VXIII 4.5-14s with front adjustable objectives.

Most you see today are still the 3.5-10 or 4.5-14 1" tube designs and who knopws if quality has gone down that bad, maybe Leupold will fix it, because the scopes of the 80's and 90s where good to go.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tactical</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
because the scopes of the 80's and 90s where good to go. </div></div>

Sort of. I own several of those older ones and they've failed me. My older 4.5-14 tactical has been back 3 times. That doesn't really bother me though - they fixed every single one no questions asked.

Older M3 scopes are awesome if you can find them.

When people ask me about Leupold I usually tell them to get a used one - screw their retail pricing, buy used if you want one. Same warranty and you pay a real market price for it.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tactical</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Nothing wrong with Leupold. They are on a bunch of real world weapons and provide a great scope. Resale is also very good. </div></div>

Lots of Leupolds have taken a dump in the real world as well.

When you look at sample sizes greater than one or two you notice things. Most of the guys cheerleading for them own onsies or twosies and may not have actually spent a lot of time twisting the turrets.

We have three new Leupold MKIV's on our Department LTR's. They work. The are overpriced and I didn't get the chance to weigh in on the selection. Nightforce is a much better option (also in use on many rifles downrange).

Can you get the job done with a Leupold? Yep. Do I feel there are better values AND better scopes? Yep. </div></div>

LOL..This is coming from the guy whose choice in primary sniper optic was a chinese Falcon scope a year ago..
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tactical</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Nothing wrong with Leupold. They are on a bunch of real world weapons and provide a great scope. Resale is also very good. </div></div>

Lots of Leupolds have taken a dump in the real world as well.

When you look at sample sizes greater than one or two you notice things. Most of the guys cheerleading for them own onsies or twosies and may not have actually spent a lot of time twisting the turrets.

We have three new Leupold MKIV's on our Department LTR's. They work. The are overpriced and I didn't get the chance to weigh in on the selection. Nightforce is a much better option (also in use on many rifles downrange).

Can you get the job done with a Leupold? Yep. Do I feel there are better values AND better scopes? Yep. </div></div>

I personally think Leupold are a good value scope, but what would make them great is zero stop and 10mil per turn.

I do have a question though. Does Leupold honour its warranty if you receive a scope that is say 3% out in tracking? Like, will they fix it and send it back, or just say nah sorry its within tolerance, or send a new scope thats the same etc?

Nightforce is a bit overpriced in my personal opinion, but in NZ S&B is cheaper than in the US, so that plays a part. $1632 USD for the base model 5.5-20, with the same features as the Mk4 4.5-14 TMR at $1199 USD, makes it hard to choose the Nightforce. Of course the high speed turrets and Zero stop option tip the scales, but there is the added price.

The best thing IMO about both nightforce and leupold is that there is no wait time, and that makes a huge impact on consumers decision.

So much so that im considering a 4.5-14x50 ffp TMR with m5's over the S&B 3-20. Yep, im stupid, but Im also an impulse buyer
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Chris
 
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Over the last 25+ years I've owned numerous Leupold VXIII's and Mk4's with Nikon, Bushnell and Bausch & Laumb mixed in. The later three were early on, before I came to my senses.

Currently I own 1-6.5x20x50 VXIII, 1-Mk4 6.5x20x50, 1-Mk4 8.5x25x50 and 1-NF BR 12x42x56. I have another NF on order, it's an NXS 5.5x22x50 with an NPR1 reticle, MOA/MOA.

My NF and Leupolds are very clear and equal in this area. Clicks are positive in both and they repeat every time, from 100 yards to 1000 yards.

I have never had a Leupold fail, ever. Can they fail, yes. I personally know guys that have sent NF back for service due to tracking issues. Bottom line is this, they can all fail at any given time, even S&B.

For working rifles, S&B is where it's at but, not everyone has $3k+ for optics. If I were to buy another Leupold I'd opt for the Mk4, PERIOD. If I didn’t go that route I'd roll NF every time.

Glass is an area where you do get what you pay for and like I said, S&B has no equal. Tack sharp and crystal clear.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I just cant justify spending $1500 on a sub par optic ..... </div></div>
That's exactly why I can't buy NF anymore.
 
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The lit reticle is cool, but who actually shoots at night? I have one on my NF and if I could get a good scope for less money without it, I would delete it and pocket the money. No NEED for it.

All the good scopes have glass good enough to shoot out to 1000 yards. It gets harder to have clear glass as magnification goes up.So some of the high mag glass is a little less clear.

It comes down to features. FFP, zero stop (sometimes you can get a zero stop by using the right moa rail), high speed turrets (lots of clicks), the reticle you want, the elevation knob you want. Then there is reliability. Pay more money, you get more of the good stuff.
 
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Nightforce is above sub par...... NF are top notch scopes. I am a huge fan of the F1.

I also am really impressed by Hensoldt, Premier Heritage, Vortex Razor, USO.
Hensoldt being the top tier scope IMHO.
 
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i have to say leupold makes/ or made a very good product. I have two older ones, and both in my opinion are clearer than the nightforce i had. I wasent impressed witht the nightforce glass. I had one vx11 that was converted to TMR, and m1 knobs and love it. I just got in on S&B and there is a night and day difference now. But for the money, the MK4s cant be beat. To each his own though. I have had on mk4, where the clicks where a little sloppy but glass was good.
 
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Leupold makes a great scope. There customer service for me has been great. I own 4 of there models from a gold ring I had tactical knobs put on at the custom shop to 3 mk4s. I also own several ZEISS conquest scopes. They are great to. Customer service when ordering parts had no problem. Have a US Optics scope on a 7mm rifle. But the one that gets the most use is the leupold mk4. I have it on a remington pss. It has done everything asked of it and moore.I would sale the US Opitics scope before i parted with the Zeiss or Leupolds. Its all what works for you. The thing i have found out about optics is the moore options they have the moore room for operator error. I have seen this many times at tactical comp's and in the feild with the military. Scopes are like the ladies you just have to pick the one that will work for you and do what you want it to do.Keep this in mind when choosing,just because some guru or the latest forum says this is what you should use dont make it so, Ask your self this question would i stake my life on this equipment purchase. I can say there are moore leupolds in service than all other scopes combined. Like everything else on this forum its an opinion,based with a little factual evidence. Good luck with your choice.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MaverickNH</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So I'm sure everyone has their preferences. But I see a trend toward beating up Leupold for being a lesser-value scope.

As a newbie, struggling with purchasing a scope for my new Rem 700P, I keep wondering if I'm making good decisions. I suppose I should shut-up, get the gear, and start shooting, as that's when I'll learn, same as I did when I started pistol, CQB rifle, shotgun, etc. Who hasn't had regrets? That's what the 4sale forum section is for, eh?

But I'm thinking a Leupold M4 6.5-20x50 FFP TMR M5 now. Looks like they can be had for about $1500.

What's the alternative at this price? Are there Nightforce scopes that are FFP? The Leupy is missing an illuminated reticle, but $1500 is already my stretch budget, so I have to stop somewhere.

Thanks for the advice. </div></div>

Hey if you are military/DOD you can pick up that glass for a lot less go to promotive.com sign up and join the DOD team you will need access to your nipr account. If budget is a constraint get the 4.5 X 15 x 50mm ER/T I get almost 30-33 mils of total elevation out of mine and can be picked up for just a little over a 1k. If you call leupold some reps will send you shims that go under the m5 turrets that act as a zero stop feature sort of like how the Vortex PST work. Although the ones that Leupy send you are different color plastic not metal like the vortexs ones and I have been told that from other guys who have used them that they void the warranty but I don't know how true that is since you could just take them out if you are doing a warranty claim. The new M5 turrets are really nice, and for $59 you can get BDC set turrets. Now I do have some complaints about Leupolds, glass quality seems to differ from leupold to leupold I have a 3.5 X 10 x 40 that I own is noticeable clearer than my friends NXS, however the 4.5 x 15 x 50 it is significantly different and not as a clear as the NXS. This may be the reason on why some guys here say the glass is better and some guys say no way. Hey don't forget USO scopes you can pick up a ST-10 for a pretty good price
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Nightforce is above sub par...... </div></div>
Everyone's "par" is different I suppose. I have not used the F1, but the NXS doesn't do it for me. I have no NF scopes anymore, but I still have a few older Mark 4s that serve their purposes well. They have performed better than the NFs I have had in the past. While the Leupold lacks some features i would like, I haven't had tracking/repeatibility issues with them to date.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I also am really impressed by Hensoldt, Premier Heritage, Vortex Razor, USO.
Hensoldt being the top tier scope IMHO. </div></div>
Now your talking above "par." I have no experience with the Razor, but the other three impress me - some much more than others.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sniperaviator</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The lit reticle is cool, <span style="color: #FF0000"><span style="font-weight: bold">but who actually shoots at night?</span></span> I have one on my NF and if I could get a good scope for less money without it, I would delete it and pocket the money. No NEED for it.</div></div>

You are frigging kidding me right?

Bad things NEVER happen at night.....right? Most "tactical" rifle scopes are not designed for paper punching, even though paper punchers purchase the majority of them.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: frankythefly</div><div class="ubbcode-body">you can pick up a ST-10 for a pretty good price </div></div>

Or the super sniper 10X HD for 800 if you want a fixed.

Also I don't get why used leupies are never an option, a friend of mine got a used M3 leupold with all the bdc cams, box, slight ring marks for 680 off ebay. Really, why pay retail when you don't have to? It's just pissing money away especially when all the good scope makers have good warranties which follow the product.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Bad things NEVER happen at night...</div></div>

Or hunting in the early morning/evenings. I wish my ior 3-18 was illuminated simply because the little .25moa center dot can sometimes disappear in a black target. I can work around it pretty easily (the dot is in the middle of a 1mil "box") but it would be nice to have the option of turning that little black dot into a little red dot.
 
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I've never shot my rifle when it's dark enough to need the lit reticle (and I shoot 50 rounds a week 100 to 1000 yards). My tactical rifle is not a hunting rifle, but hunting at night is illegal in my state. I shoot TARGETS, not bad guys and have no illusions as to what I am, what my equipment is FOR. The lit reticle LOOKS cool, but for me it's not useful and I'd just as soon put my money elsewhere.

Snipers over in whateverastan may need a lit reticle, I will not argue with THAT. And if you target shoot at night you may want one, I dunno how that would work. I've never tried it.
 
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I must have missed something I thought this was "SnipersHide" LOL

I shoot at night as a whole bunch of others here do. The lit reticule feature is perfect for when you have a suspect in enough light to id him but your in dark and unable to see unlit cross hairs, and your department wont buy NVDs ( Like about 98% of them)

Its a pretty great feature for Police and Military alike
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sniperaviator</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've never shot my rifle when it's dark enough to need the lit reticle (and I shoot 50 rounds a week 100 to 1000 yards). My tactical rifle is not a hunting rifle, but hunting at night is illegal in my state. I shoot TARGETS, not bad guys and have no illusions as to what I am, what my equipment is FOR. The lit reticle LOOKS cool, but for me it's not useful and I'd just as soon put my money elsewhere.

Snipers over in whateverastan may need a lit reticle, I will not argue with THAT. And if you target shoot at night you may want one, I dunno how that would work. I've never tried it. </div></div>

Wow- really never a shot in the dark, not even with your other "gun"? Well in the real world, were the rest of us spend there time and at times goes hunting/shooting it´s been known to happen in the still of the night,

pitchdark black and all that. I have shot more foxes, rabbits and other small game at night and in less time then I have during day time,

why, cause the animals are out and about then.

I have even shot a few boar at times when most people snooze in the beds, I tend to like that sort of hunting.

/Chris
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MaverickNH</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So I'm sure everyone has their preferences. But I see a trend toward beating up Leupold for being a lesser-value scope.

As a newbie, struggling with purchasing a scope for my new Rem 700P, I keep wondering if I'm making good decisions. I suppose I should shut-up, get the gear, and start shooting, as that's when I'll learn, same as I did when I started pistol, CQB rifle, shotgun, etc. Who hasn't had regrets? That's what the 4sale forum section is for, eh?

But I'm thinking a Leupold M4 6.5-20x50 FFP TMR M5 now. Looks like they can be had for about $1500.

What's the alternative at this price? Are there Nightforce scopes that are FFP? The Leupy is missing an illuminated reticle, but $1500 is already my stretch budget, so I have to stop somewhere.

Thanks for the advice. </div></div>I have that scope on my Sako! It is working great for me.
BTW, I have 5 leupold scopes, one leupy spotter, and one nightforce nxs.
 
#44
Re: Beating Up Leupy?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Swedish guy</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sniperaviator</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've never shot my rifle when it's dark enough to need the lit reticle (and I shoot 50 rounds a week 100 to 1000 yards). My tactical rifle is not a hunting rifle, but hunting at night is illegal in my state. I shoot TARGETS, not bad guys and have no illusions as to what I am, what my equipment is FOR. The lit reticle LOOKS cool, but for me it's not useful and I'd just as soon put my money elsewhere.

Snipers over in whateverastan may need a lit reticle, I will not argue with THAT. And if you target shoot at night you may want one, I dunno how that would work. I've never tried it. </div></div>

Wow- really never a shot in the dark, not even with your other "gun"? Well in the real world, were the rest of us spend there time and at times goes hunting/shooting it´s been known to happen in the still of the night,

pitchdark black and all that. I have shot more foxes, rabbits and other small game at night and in less time then I have during day time,

why, cause the animals are out and about then.

I have even shot a few boar at times when most people snooze in the beds, I tend to like that sort of hunting.

/Chris </div></div>

Most night-time hunting is illegal is the US.

BMT
 
#45
Re: Beating Up Leupy?

The plural of "anecdote" is not "data."


Leupold sucks.

(Nothing like taking a group of people spun up just a little too tight, and spinning just a little more.)

Every Leupold eventually fails, who the hell wants that? And everyone who eats peanut butter eventually dies: causation or correlation? Or neither?
 
#46
Re: Beating Up Leupy?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rancid Coolaid</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The plural of "anecdote" is not "data."


Leupold sucks.

(Nothing like taking a group of people spun up just a little too tight, and spinning just a little more.)

Every Leupold eventually fails, who the hell wants that? And everyone who eats peanut butter eventually dies: causation or correlation? Or neither?

</div></div>
100% of divorces are the result of a marriage.
100% of deaths are the result of life.

I like this game, not really.

I wonder what the percentage failure rate for scope manufacturers is?
 
#49
Re: Beating Up Leupy?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rancid Coolaid</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The plural of "anecdote" is not "data."
</div></div>

I'm stealing that line brother!!
 
#50
Re: Beating Up Leupy?

Well I gotta say I'm confused about what it is regarding the Ultra that does make it better than the newer mk4 fixed scopes that came from the ultra design? I'm not entirely sure one is that much better than the other but am willing to learn. I find that generally things get worse over time especially this decade due to inflation getting in the way of affordable quality, that would be the extant of my feelings about the older Ultras being better. As things go on, there can be changes in design for the better, but more often than not material quality+fit and finish all goes down.

Is the M2 the one that had smaller turrets that look like old Redfiled turrets?
 
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