Sidearms & Scatterguns Being smart: 2 pistols w/ ammo OR 1 pistol+parts+ammo

In this thread we combine street smarts and budget smarts all together:

Several years ago, I had a dilemma. I decided to invest in a nice full sized 1911. Settled for the Auto-Ordnance PKZ model. No gimmicks, budget and reliable. At the time I happened to have enough saved up for this event to make TWO choices:

1. Get 2 of the pistols and a good supply of ammo. They are good enough to be collector's grade so why not go all out and get 2 right? OR

2. Get 1 pistol. Get 5 to 6 extra spares of any part in the gun that is prone to breakage/wear/tear. And spend the rest on AMMO.

I settled on the second choice. And for good reason too.....From an article titled "Backup Guns Of The Buffalo Hunters", in Dixie Gun Works' Blackpowder Annual magazine, it is noted that a large number of commercial hide hunters in the 1870's went onto the field with their massive Sharps and Remington Rolling Blocks. These mighty rifles can drop a fully grown buffalo at 800 yards with one shot...Until they break down, usually due to one tiny spring in the lockwork. And then the hunter is at the mercy of the Comanche or Cheyenne, who would just be waiting in the distance for something like this to happen. The result is usually the hunter's bloody scalp mounted on a war lance.

These old timers initially did not even carry spare parts for their rifles, until a mounting death toll translated to hard lessons, and they began to adapt quickly.

In a modern CCW setting, it is highly unlikely that I am going to need/want to carry dual handguns. My username obviously is not Gecko45. So instead of having an additional pistol sitting dormant and taking up space, I invested on the little things to keep my main gun ALWAYS running in top condition. And additionally I ended up with enough to get A LOT of ammo.

So I am posting this question here to see how everybody else in the hive thinks. This scenario can be used for rifles too.
 
That’s all gonna be dependent on the person at hand. Some people are collectors, some are shooters, some are hoarders etc. so what somebody decides to do in your given scenario is going to be all over the place varying greatly from person to person. If it were me I would have chosen option two reason being I wouldn’t want two of those particular 1911’s. If it was a different gun maybe my answer would be different or maybe not. Guess it just depends on the person and the situation at hand. I’m glad you posted this though. A buddy and I had this exact same discussion today.
 
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1. Get 2 of the pistols and a good supply of ammo. They are good enough to be collector's grade so why not go all out and get 2 right?

A CCW gun is disposable. I suppose in some places, the agency will return your pistol... most places the gun is a write off....
A CCW gun is a tool- all my tools are used. none are treated as a collectors item.


Get what ever firearms you want.... for CHL, get tools

Tools should be
replaceable
ordinary
reliable
with reliable mags....

Based upon the # of quirks I have had with 1911's, I chose Glock.

You can join the Glock pistol group and get glocks for the same price as LEO.
You can pick up a dozen G17's used at gun shows cheap
Glock magazines don't break- Sure they can, but I have replaced a ton of 1911 mags... springs- feed lips- feeding issuse

I have not worn out a factory Glock magazine
I have not made a Glock rust

Toss a G17 into your center console, loaded 17+1, set 3 -5 of the Glock OEM 33 rounders next to the gun.
Another G17 in the entry way coat closet
Another in the den
another in the bedroom


Its a tool...
 
Way back in the days of the Soldier of Fortune 3 gun matches, (late 80's, early 90's) shooters were required to shoot the same gun throughout the match. If your pistol broke down, you had to replace it with the same type gun...no additions or changes. Sights, grips, and all major features had to be the same. Things like blued vs stainless didn't matter, but you weren't supposed to go from 4" to a 5" gun, or major changes in the sights. So, I had two pistols built where the only differences were little things such as the finish (stainless vs blued) on the safety, magazine release button or slide release levers. I called them the twins.

Probably because the pistols were very well built by a noted gunsmith, I never did need to swap out pistols due to a malfunction, and they are still working without malfunctions. The builder replaced every factory spring in the guns with Wolff springs as one of the first things. I'm not about to carry two fully loaded steel framed 45's with 15 rounds in each gun just in case one malfunctions.

However, as Sled_Mack rightly points out, having a spare gun for a class (or in my case for that one big match every year) is invaluable.

We can reduce, but never eliminate the possibility that a gun, (no matter how well built) will malfunction, have a hiccup or break down. It is for that reason that I carry a spare magazine...just in case something happens to the magazine in the pistol. it isn't because I realistically expect to fire over 14 rounds when I'm just going to Safeway to buy milk.

Clint Smith has an excellent video about backup guns that is well worth watching. I'll see if I can find it and post it if I can.
 
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Another thing I'd point out about the Glocks is that you can keep, say, a 17L or even a carbine or SBR in the truck if desired, carry a G26, and they all use the same mags. I know some bodyguard classes recommend this. You can even SBR a 17L if you like. IMO though, if you get back to the car and need more firepower, were it me I'd keep a .300BLK SBR in there. I haven't had a need to carry this firepower in the states since I worked in Memphis when it was the murder capitol.

I carry the same G27 I have for 15 years or more. In the same Milt Sparks VM2 holster. I also carry two mags IWB to offset the weight and of course for more ammo, and also a 340PD in the pocket. It's almost weightless, so why not? That's 40rds. of .40 and 5rds. .38/.357 (maybe another 10rds. if I have the speedloaders in a pocket). If I can't get to safety with that or stop the threat, probably ain't gonna happen anyway. I think you'd be hard pressed to find a better compact IWB carry setup than this, or one more reliable with that much firepower. I have it in 10mm too, but it's a lot heavier and bulkier than the .40 is.

Glocks are good tools for this. No safeties to fuck with but it has 3 built in, goes bang everytime, very reliable, they just work.

I have several different Glocks and such but the G27 just happens to be the best all around carry pistol. As for additional parts, yeah, I suppose you could but it's not like you're gonna need many. A few stock captured recoil springs, maybe a striker spring and plunger spring and a striker sleeve is really about it unless you wanna build up a full spring kit. I reckon I have enough of this and that to service most issues. There's not a lot going on in there. Simplicity is another key virtue of the Glock. And cost. At PX when on sale, $450 out the door for a new pistol is hard to beat.

I wouldn't carry anything nice. It'll just get scuffed and fucked up. Glocks wear hard and scuffs and scratches that do show up aren't a problem. A good IWB holster like the Milt Sparks VM2 and a good gun belt go a long way towards protecting it.

So were I you, I'd get a serious carry pistol along with the collector pistol if you want that. Otherwise I'd just get a Glock, a set of Tritium sights, a few mags that fit the pistol and +1's or 2's or pinky rests if needed, and several of the full size magazine that fits that pistol. A shitload of ammo OR get a Dillon press and start cracking it out on your own, which is by far cheaper, especially with 9mm (I'd shy from loading .40). So there's another option. Maybe a scandium 340PD if you want a backup that doesn't weigh much. It's that or a Rorbaugh, but I prefer the revolver.

The Blackhawk Serpa Lvl.2 is also an excellent OWB holster for the Glock and it's relatively inexpensive. I'd get one while waiting on the Milt Sparks rig, which you should get regardless of the pistol you decide to carry, that and a gun belt and mag carrier if desired.
 
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I wouldn't get any Serpa holster. That release lever aligns the trigger finger perfectly for an AD during drawing.
Not being a fucktard prevents ADs with serpas....

....if you can’t draw from a serpa safely, you have no business carrying a firearm.
 
....you’re entitled to be wrong.....
What level of experience to you have with this holster? Where is your source of information? Why did Homeland security and FLETC stop using them and conduct a study on them? Why did CAG do a study on these holsters and decide they were unsafe? You are talking out your ass ninja warrior. You clearly don’t know jack shit about these holsters. You probably just bought one at Walmart and think you are awesome with your paddle stuffed down the side of your pants. What holster do you even carry? Feel free to read it genius. Show me how science is wrong. I’ll wait.
 

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What level of experience to you have with this holster? Where is your source of information? Why did Homeland security and FLETC stop using them and conduct a study on them? Why did CAG do a study on these holsters and decide they were unsafe? You are talking out your ass ninja warrior. You clearly don’t know jack shit about these holsters. You probably just bought one at Walmart and think you are awesome with your paddle stuffed down the side of your pants. What holster do you even carry? Feel free to read it genius. Show me how science is wrong. I’ll wait.

I guess Military Special Operations units, Federal Law Enforcement agencies and LAPD are entitled to be wrong also.
 
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What level of experience to you have with this holster? Where is your source of information? Why did Homeland security and FLETC stop using them and conduct a study on them? Why did CAG do a study on these holsters and decide they were unsafe? You are talking out your ass ninja warrior. You clearly don’t know jack shit about these holsters. You probably just bought one at Walmart and think you are awesome with your paddle stuffed down the side of your pants. What holster do you even carry? Feel free to read it genius. Show me how science is wrong. I’ll wait.
jeez pissy arent we......show me where the serpa touched you

and LAPD and feds have proven themselves to be unsafe with ANY firearm.....doesnt matter holster they use.....and they would not be my benchmark for firearms training.....nor does their opinion constitute "science".

as for my experience with serpas....i ran one for a while....managed to never shoot myself in the half dozen training classes with it......eventually got rid of it, i never found it unsafe, i just didnt find the latch mechanism particularly durable.

im currently running any number of holsters......my "primary" holster is a Safariland GLS.....but i also have Diamond D leather and Bravo concealment in the mix.

no one had any issues with serpas until that hillbilly jackass Tex grebner shot himself...then all of a sudden they are "unsafe"....because some dumbass doesnt know how to handle a gun.....butterfingers would have shot himself regardless of which holster he was using.


but by all means, continue your autistic screeching.
 
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I can’t cure my autism. Shooting yourself SERPA or not is a total “fucktard” move, I agree with that. Using a SERPA is a “fucktard” move also. We can agree to disagree dummy.