bertram vs norma brass

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I just had a .300 WSM built. I have used norma in the past and it is pretty soft. I always got ejector marks way before any other sines of pressure. It was very consistent though. I have never used bertram but heard good things about its toughness. What is the consistency like on the bertram? Bertram is also quite a bit cheaper than norma also. Out of these two, what would you say would be the better brass for overall toughness and consistency combined? Thanks
 
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I’ve had nothing but problems with Norma brass in my 300 Norma and 300 Win Mag. Way too soft, show pressure prematurely, sticky extraction on moderate loads. I’ll never touch the stuff again. No experience with Bertram but so far I’m very impressed with the brass Peterson is offering.
 
I was fortunate enough to get a test batch of 6.5 Saum Bertram brass when it made it here from Australia. I was using Norma brass previously. I did a comparison and the cases are very consistent in external measurements, neck thickness, length, radial dia, etc. I then did a h2o volume comparison. The Bertram had more case capacity. I'd also been loading a 215mag primer with the Norma and I used a standard 210 in the Bertram. Typically a mag primer over a standard is equivalent to 1grn of powder change. I was just a smidge more velocity with the Bertram with a 210.

Ive only got 1 firing on the brass. I'll be doing more testing in the next few days. I'll be doing a primer pocket test to see how many over pressure loads I can get before primers dont stay in. I'll also be running Some es/sd on group shooting.

It gets my nod so far.

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I know this is an old thread, but maybe someone would like to know my results. Been shooting bertram .300 WSM for a little while now. I got 100 pieces from grafs which was (5) 20 round baggies. I assumed it was quality stuff and by mixing it would be alright. I loaded them up with a generic load to fire form them and break in my barrel. I sized (redding type s FL bumping the shoulder .002" with a bushing about .002 smaller than a loaded round, expanded (Sinclair expander die and carbide expander), then trimmed. I loaded them up and there was a stupid amount of difference with seating pressure between the casings and extreme velocity spreads sure showed. I'm trying to get away with not turning necks on this hunting rifle. I annealed the necks for the second loading and it was way more consistent pressure seating and es's went waaaaay down. All is well until my 4th loading and same type of inconsistent tension while seating. I annealed again and on the 5th loading, seating pressure was pretty consistent as well as velocities.

Not saying anything bad about the brass, because it did come in 5 different "lots", but I find it odd that I can't ever really keep things consistent. Even when sizing, its being sized the very minimum amount and it just feels like its tough shit and doesn't want to mold.

Anyway, take it or leave it, that's what Ive found so far. When this stuff is shot up, I'm going back to norma for WSM. Ill take consistency over toughness for what I'm doing with it.
 
Have you measured neck thickness or water case capacity of the different “lots”. Just curious is if there is a large variance there.

I don’t seen water capacity affecting seating pressure but neck thickness for sure.