I'm not interested in accuracy, since I know all the top barrel companies are going to product great accuracy. What I'm wondering is there a barrel manufacture that holds up better to "barrel burners" and will allow more rounds down the tube before heading south. I'm looking to build a 6.5x284 or 7mm short action (wsm or rsaum) and know they tend to go south at about 1k. Looking to add some life, other than shooting habits.
Best Barrel for Barrel Burners
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Re: Best Barrel for Barrel Burners
Some people feel that button rifled barrels may last a little longer due to the rifling process. Stress is induced to 'iron' in the rifling with the button then twice stress relieved after the process. That is the way Benchmark does it. The cut rifled guys may argue the opposite way.
Honestly if you were after better barrel life i would buy a barrel from your favorite manufacturer, have it threaded and chambered, break it in, and then send it off to be Nitrided/Melonited at MMI-Trutec or through Mark Lammers at Losok Custom Arms.
Try a search for "Melonite" here on the hide. Alot of good info. 50-100% barrel life increase.
Some people feel that button rifled barrels may last a little longer due to the rifling process. Stress is induced to 'iron' in the rifling with the button then twice stress relieved after the process. That is the way Benchmark does it. The cut rifled guys may argue the opposite way.
Honestly if you were after better barrel life i would buy a barrel from your favorite manufacturer, have it threaded and chambered, break it in, and then send it off to be Nitrided/Melonited at MMI-Trutec or through Mark Lammers at Losok Custom Arms.
Try a search for "Melonite" here on the hide. Alot of good info. 50-100% barrel life increase.
Re: Best Barrel for Barrel Burners
If you want long life from a barrel burner, get a Rock barrel and have it melonited after you shoot 10-20 rounds out of it.
If you want long life from a barrel burner, get a Rock barrel and have it melonited after you shoot 10-20 rounds out of it.
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Thanks for your input, something else to research. Only issue is cost. It cost about the same as a new barrel, so wouldn't it almost be just as cost effective to have the gun re-barreled. What's your input on brands? Any last longer? Does 5r groove last longer?
Thanks for your input, something else to research. Only issue is cost. It cost about the same as a new barrel, so wouldn't it almost be just as cost effective to have the gun re-barreled. What's your input on brands? Any last longer? Does 5r groove last longer?
Re: Best Barrel for Barrel Burners
The cost of ammo is going to eclipse the cost of the barrel. If you don't want to be replacing barrels all the time, don't load as hot. And I have never ever seen a post or a thread stating as fact that X barrel last longer then Y barrel. To even prove that, you would have to have 2 exact guns shot at the same schedule with the same load... it's not going to happen.
The cost of ammo is going to eclipse the cost of the barrel. If you don't want to be replacing barrels all the time, don't load as hot. And I have never ever seen a post or a thread stating as fact that X barrel last longer then Y barrel. To even prove that, you would have to have 2 exact guns shot at the same schedule with the same load... it's not going to happen.
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I just thought maybe a few companies tended to use a harder material for their blanks, compared to another.
I just thought maybe a few companies tended to use a harder material for their blanks, compared to another.
Re: Best Barrel for Barrel Burners
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jrbet83</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I just thought maybe a few companies tended to use a harder material for their blanks, compared to another. </div></div>
Check out Lothar Walther, they claim their proprietary barrel steel is very hard. Most everyone else uses 416R for their stainless barrels, maybe check to see if anyone uses 410.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jrbet83</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I just thought maybe a few companies tended to use a harder material for their blanks, compared to another. </div></div>
Check out Lothar Walther, they claim their proprietary barrel steel is very hard. Most everyone else uses 416R for their stainless barrels, maybe check to see if anyone uses 410.
Re: Best Barrel for Barrel Burners
If you want a cheap barrel buy a adams and bennett. Have it chambered and then you could shoot the tubb tms through it to smooth it up a little and then melonite it. It should last along time plus you won't have much into the barrel.
If you want a cheap barrel buy a adams and bennett. Have it chambered and then you could shoot the tubb tms through it to smooth it up a little and then melonite it. It should last along time plus you won't have much into the barrel.
Re: Best Barrel for Barrel Burners
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jrbet83</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm not interested in accuracy, since I know all the top barrel companies are going to product great accuracy. What I'm wondering is there a barrel manufacture that holds up better to "barrel burners" and will allow more rounds down the tube before heading south. I'm looking to build a 6.5x284 or 7mm short action (wsm or rsaum) and know they tend to go south at about 1k. Looking to add some life, other than shooting habits. </div></div>
Of course you are interested in ACCURACY- when a barrel "goes south" its ACCURACY drops off. It'll still go bang long after the throat is WAY eroded.
You can help a barrel by avoiding long rapid fire strings-but if its a comp rifle and you are truly serious about shooting well at matches-its just another consumable item.
If its not a comp rifle-1K rounds is WAY too conservative. Use slower powders, try boron nitrided bullets or moly if you want to deal with its short comings as far as cleaning goes. You'd see alot more than 1000 rounds.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jrbet83</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm not interested in accuracy, since I know all the top barrel companies are going to product great accuracy. What I'm wondering is there a barrel manufacture that holds up better to "barrel burners" and will allow more rounds down the tube before heading south. I'm looking to build a 6.5x284 or 7mm short action (wsm or rsaum) and know they tend to go south at about 1k. Looking to add some life, other than shooting habits. </div></div>
Of course you are interested in ACCURACY- when a barrel "goes south" its ACCURACY drops off. It'll still go bang long after the throat is WAY eroded.
You can help a barrel by avoiding long rapid fire strings-but if its a comp rifle and you are truly serious about shooting well at matches-its just another consumable item.
If its not a comp rifle-1K rounds is WAY too conservative. Use slower powders, try boron nitrided bullets or moly if you want to deal with its short comings as far as cleaning goes. You'd see alot more than 1000 rounds.
Re: Best Barrel for Barrel Burners
That's why I said beside shooting habits, because I know I'll be shooting 3 rds at a time. It's just going to be a long range hunting gun/fun gun.
That's why I said beside shooting habits, because I know I'll be shooting 3 rds at a time. It's just going to be a long range hunting gun/fun gun.
Re: Best Barrel for Barrel Burners
I just had 2 barrels hardened by NITROCARBURIZING, results will not be know by me for years but others have been using it for years and claiming success.
The process will surface harden certain alloys to that comparable with a file.
Do some rearch on the net and figure out what alloy barrel you have as the process is not for all alloys.
I did it as it looks promising and I though the cost was very reasonable.
Will supply contact info if desired, just email me.
I just had 2 barrels hardened by NITROCARBURIZING, results will not be know by me for years but others have been using it for years and claiming success.
The process will surface harden certain alloys to that comparable with a file.
Do some rearch on the net and figure out what alloy barrel you have as the process is not for all alloys.
I did it as it looks promising and I though the cost was very reasonable.
Will supply contact info if desired, just email me.
Re: Best Barrel for Barrel Burners
$60 for 50-100% improved barrel life is hardly the cost of a new barrel. Melonite/Nitride is the way to go. 1 week turnaround.
$60 for 50-100% improved barrel life is hardly the cost of a new barrel. Melonite/Nitride is the way to go. 1 week turnaround.
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Yeah the website I looked at said it was ALOT more expensive, so I figured with shipping there and back, it would be around $300. At that $60 mark...might have to look at it.
Yeah the website I looked at said it was ALOT more expensive, so I figured with shipping there and back, it would be around $300. At that $60 mark...might have to look at it.
Re: Best Barrel for Barrel Burners
You could try a chromemoly barrel, from Shilen or Lothar Walther (all I can think of at the moment). Then get it nitrided AND shoot some moly or coated bullets, that HbN stuff or whatever the hell it's called. You will probably have to lap the barrel yourself though but if it lasts twice as long it's worth it.
You could try a chromemoly barrel, from Shilen or Lothar Walther (all I can think of at the moment). Then get it nitrided AND shoot some moly or coated bullets, that HbN stuff or whatever the hell it's called. You will probably have to lap the barrel yourself though but if it lasts twice as long it's worth it.
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Isn't considerably longer barrel throat life ABS Precision Barrels claim to fame because a lot more heat is dissipated away from the throat area of the barrel with their carbon wrapped barrel design.
Is there anyone out there that has shot a lot of rounds through one of these barrels that can attest to this?
Isn't considerably longer barrel throat life ABS Precision Barrels claim to fame because a lot more heat is dissipated away from the throat area of the barrel with their carbon wrapped barrel design.
Is there anyone out there that has shot a lot of rounds through one of these barrels that can attest to this?
Re: Best Barrel for Barrel Burners
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Explorer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I just had 2 barrels hardened by NITROCARBURIZING, results will not be know by me for years but others have been using it for years and claiming success.
The process will surface harden certain alloys to that comparable with a file.
Do some rearch on the net and figure out what alloy barrel you have as the process is not for all alloys.
I did it as it looks promising and I though the cost was very reasonable.
Will supply contact info if desired, just email me. </div></div>
who did you send them to?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Explorer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I just had 2 barrels hardened by NITROCARBURIZING, results will not be know by me for years but others have been using it for years and claiming success.
The process will surface harden certain alloys to that comparable with a file.
Do some rearch on the net and figure out what alloy barrel you have as the process is not for all alloys.
I did it as it looks promising and I though the cost was very reasonable.
Will supply contact info if desired, just email me. </div></div>
who did you send them to?
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