Best setup for around $1000

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I'm new to the sniping thing but want to jump in deep. The way I see it I am still young and have lots of time to perfect the art. Looking for a rifle that I can grow into until I can sink big bucks into a top of the line once I <span style="text-decoration: underline">understand</span>.

I have been doing some research and I'm thinking a savage 10FP ($600) with a WOTAC Target 4-14x50 ($320). I would really like the 10FLCP-K since I'm a lefty and it seems to better (well at least it has accustock as well as accutrigger). That's going to run another $200 though. Also considered a remington 700 SPS but leaning towards savage.

Maybe I would eventually upgrade the scope before going big. I have noticed a lot of "buy a $200 gun and a $800 scope" philosophies

-Newb who would really appreciate some advice
 
#3
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Savage or Remy...both are good weapons. As for the scope. Look around in the for sale section and find yourself a used Super Sniper 10X. You will thank yourself.

Josh
 
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You can get custom performance for $1000.00 give or take a few hundred.

Savage action from Northlander: http://savageshooters.com/SavageForum/index.php/topic,1552.0.html

325.00

EGW base and TPS rings: $100.00
Super Sniper scope (either 10x or 16x) $300.00
Walter Barrel $300.00
B&C Stock $240.00

That's $1240.00 for a rifle that will shoot 1/2 MOA all day with ease and probably much better with handloads. I'm running the same rig only I started with a stevens 200 and am still running the sporter barrel. This past weekend I had no problem hitting a 9" circle at 900yards. If you go the stevens route as your base gun they can be purchased complete for $200-350.00 and use that as your base gun and add parts as you can afford. If you go that route get a stock and super sniper first and then get reloading equipment. I make my own match grade rounds now for $12.00 a box.

If you have any more questions feel free to PM me.

Good luck,
Merritt
 
#8
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Try and I mean try because they are hard to find..a savage 112bt in 308. I have had mine for over a decade an it never stops amazing me with respect to its cold bore shot and ability to stack 5-10 shots in a ragged hole even when the barrel gets warm. It out shoots my 40xc ks and my other savage model 10's. Quite frankly it shoots side by side with my speedy built rem custom in 308.
 
#9
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I would go with a Rem action if you want something to grow into. More aftermarket support and many custom makers still use REm actions. You can buy an entry level Rem Varmint with 20 inch barrel and add scope and rings and start shooting. The Super Sniper scope is the way to go entry level.....I'd go 10x for sure and they can hook you up with a 20 MOA base and some decent used rings to get you going also.

If you have a desire to build for the first time in 5-6 years Brownells has New Remington actions to sell and they will go fast. But I think you should buy an entry level Rem 700 SPS of the like with heavy barrel. SS scope and start shooting. Shoot the barrel out and then upgrade the barrel, shoot a bit and find out what you like and add the stock of your choice along with bi-pod etc and you are good to go.

Derek
 
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I bought an FCP-K .308 for $675 two months ago. There are still deals out there if your local FFL has good distributor connections. The Accustock really seems to be a step up from a standard hunting rig, while still light enough to hump it if you hunt. And the accuracy is stellar. Even when run hard.
 
#13
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: easye21</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks all. have been helpful.

fdkay that seems grab the most of my interest now. Does sniper central make these packages often? or at least update them when new goodies come out </div></div>

You place an order, you recieve rifle in roughly 3 months.

The biggest wait time is for the stock which is custom ordered in the style and color you want, when you ask for it.
 
#14
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: easye21</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks all. have been helpful.

fdkay that seems grab the most of my interest now. Does sniper central make these packages often? or at least update them when new goodies come out </div></div>

If that is the one you want, give them a ring.
They also build one of the 700 action, if memory serves, for around the same price.
The basic package is 1000, if you want to upgrade the glass etc... the price begins to climb.
 
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The b&c has a full length aluminum bedding block like the HS Precision and Choate tactical stocks. Bedding is not required, although some people skim bed them.

The accu-stock is a good stock, it has the attributes of light weight and a narrow profile, but it is NOT superior to the B&C.
 
#17
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: fdkay</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The b&c has a full length aluminum bedding block like the HS Precision and Choate tactical stocks. Bedding is not required, although some people skim bed them.

The accu-stock is a good stock, it has the attributes of light weight and a narrow profile, but it is NOT superior to the B&C.</div></div>

Who said it was?

But I would disagree with you anyway. Because that depends on what the weapon is used for. For a dedicated tactical weapon or for something that is only fired at the range off a bench, it isn't ideal in all respects. But for a weapon doing triple duty at the range, in tactical competitions, and sniping antlered rats and overgrown piglets in the Fall nothing else comes close. Believe me ... I handled, read up, shot, and asked about every stock made for a month before buying my last rifle. Money wasn't an issue, within reason (no GAP for me
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) and I could have bought the 10FP HS or 10FP McM or a plain FCP and ordered a a Choate. But the consensus was that the specific LE-style Accustock (which is NOT the hunting Accustock btw) was as good as anything else short of a Manners/AI chassis/etc., and in every test I've been able to find the Savage action shot <span style="font-style: italic">better</span> than the HS Precision and equal to the McMillan when properly torqued into the LE Accustock.

The LE Accustock is not "superior" to some stocks, is superior to others, but it all depends on what you'll do with it. With a Savage action what could a B&C possibly improve on? Will it toss your salad and clean the funk from your toenails before bed?
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#19
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$1k is a tough limit to meet nowadays, but pharm762 makes good sense, whether or not your own locale can provide prices to keep you under your K.

A 20MOA Sloped base would be advisable. I have and like the Ken Farrel product, but it can be a bit tall for some, so also consider some form of cheek rest/pack.

If prices get overly prohibitive, I'd downgrade on the optics, to get you out there into the field. That can always be upgraded later, and the cheaper optics can still find a useful home on a .22LR trainer, which I consider part of the irreducible precision shooting ensemble.

IMHO competitive 1Kyd shooting has driven home the value of a 6-24X magnification range. Not all of it can always be used all the way out, due to mirage; but as the distances decrease, the maximum feasible magnification increases, and 24X can come in mighty handy at the shorter ranges.

If cheap is necessary the Tasco VAR624X42M can be had for around $80. Not superlative, but it has the bells and whistles, and my four have held together fairly well for over 5 years now, with zero out and out failures.

Greg
 
#20
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If you want something that you can simply go out and shoot, I would recomend something like a savage precision carbine in your choice of 308 or 223 and a scope/base/rings in the $300-500 bracket. The wotac is a nice scope from what I've been hearing... but a bushy 3200 10x or 5-15x would fit the bill... as would a super sniper 10x (among others). Combine something like that with an EGW base and burris XTR rings and you have an affordable package. Another option is to get a rifle from snipercentral (as mentioned above) or buy the cheapest remington 700 you can find in the cal/barrel length of your choice and drop it into a bell and carlson stock (or HS take off... or anything you can find here or on ebay).

My recent build started with an ADL remington 700 in 308 with a 26" barrel that I bought from dicks for $440 after a rebate from remingon. I bought/installed a B&C A5 ($360) and a Wyatt's DBM system ($240) and the gun shoots great. On top of it is a EGW rail with IOR rings and a 3-18x42 IOR SH Edition (Gen4) scope that I purchased used for $900 from the sniper central forums. The rifle cost just over a grand with the optics/base/rings costing about a grand... I couldn't ask for more. With reloads, the rifle groups great!
 
#21
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Snakum</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: fdkay</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The b&c has a full length aluminum bedding block like the HS Precision and Choate tactical stocks. Bedding is not required, although some people skim bed them.

The accu-stock is a good stock, it has the attributes of light weight and a narrow profile, but it is NOT superior to the B&C.</div></div>

Who said it was?

But I would disagree with you anyway. Because that depends on what the weapon is used for. For a dedicated tactical weapon or for something that is only fired at the range off a bench, it isn't ideal in all respects. But for a weapon doing triple duty at the range, in tactical competitions, and sniping antlered rats and overgrown piglets in the Fall nothing else comes close. Believe me ... I handled, read up, shot, and asked about every stock made for a month before buying my last rifle. Money wasn't an issue, within reason (no GAP for me
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) and I could have bought the 10FP HS or 10FP McM or a plain FCP and ordered a a Choate. But the consensus was that the specific LE-style Accustock (which is NOT the hunting Accustock btw) was as good as anything else short of a Manners/AI chassis/etc., and in every test I've been able to find the Savage action shot <span style="font-style: italic">better</span> than the HS Precision and equal to the McMillan when properly torqued into the LE Accustock.

The LE Accustock is not "superior" to some stocks, is superior to others, but it all depends on what you'll do with it. With a Savage action what could a B&C possibly improve on? Will it toss your salad and clean the funk from your toenails before bed?
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I was telling the OP in no uncertain terms that the accu-stock is not superior to the B&C, lest he think it is. I did not say at any time say that the accu-stock was a bad stock.
If you read my post all the way through, I did in fact state that the accu-stock has two specific attributes, light weight and narrow profile, both of which can be a detriment also.

I just used a Savage 10PC to complete a sniper/observer course, after putting 400+ rounds through it in a week and comparing it to my Rem SPS tactical in a Choate Tactical stock, my Rem Sendero in an HS Precision stock and a savage model 12 in an ultimate varmint stock, I have made up my own mind, thank you and I found it wanting in several regards, but it is a good rifle and a very decent stock. It is NOT as good as an HS precision and it is not as stiff as a Choate.

FWIW, the accu-stock on the LE model is EXACTLY the same construction as the accu-stock on non le models, only the color is different. So you are feeding mis-information there.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">FWIW, the accu-stock on the LE model is EXACTLY the same construction as the accu-stock on non le models, only the color is different. So you are feeding mis-information there.</div></div>

Negative. I'm sitting here looking at both. Only the internal wedging mechanism is the same. The hunting AS is an entirely different profile, with the LE model having a wider, beaver-tail forend. The barrel channel on the LE appears to show a larger gap (increased float) between the barrel. And the weight seems to be a pound less on the hunting AS, when taking the bbl profile diff into account. And when I bang on them both the hunter AS seems not as stiff, also. Likely due to increase cross section/thickness.

The LE AS profile is thicker than the hunter model AS, and has the beaver tail forend. But it's not as thick/heavy as the 700P stock nor the HS. A good compromise on weight and stability for those who hunt with it also.

And yes, the LE Accustock outshot the HS Precision in both tests I read, and equalled the McMillan within .1 groups. I think there is even a test thread here on the hide among them showing the same thing.

 
#24
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Snakum</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">FWIW, the accu-stock on the LE model is EXACTLY the same construction as the accu-stock on non le models, only the color is different. So you are feeding mis-information there.</div></div>

Negative. I'm sitting here looking at both. Only the internal wedging mechanism is the same. The hunting AS is an entirely different profile, with the LE model having a wider, beaver-tail forend. The barrel channel on the LE appears to show a larger gap (increased float) between the barrel. And the weight seems to be a pound less on the hunting AS, when taking the bbl profile diff into account. And when I bang on them both the hunter AS seems not as stiff, also. Likely due to increase cross section/thickness.

The LE AS profile is thicker than the hunter model AS, and has the beaver tail forend. But it's not as thick/heavy as the 700P stock nor the HS. A good compromise on weight and stability for those who hunt with it also.

And yes, the LE Accustock outshot the HS Precision in both tests I read, and equalled the McMillan within .1 groups. I think there is even a test thread here on the hide among them showing the same thing.

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Interesting as the two I compared do not have the differences you speak of. One a standard hunting model and the 10PC.
There is very little free float space on the 10PC, you can fit a dollar bill in there, but not by much.

I find the forend on the 10PC that I am carrying right now, to be rather narrow.

The rifle, while accurate is not as accurate as my model 12 in the varmint stock.
 
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Ahhh .... I think I know the deal.

If I remember correctly, the AS for other LE models besides the .308 and the .223 may be different. I seem to remember a thread somewhere in which a new 110FCP-K owner was disappointed that his new .300 Win Mag didn't have the same stock profile as his .308. Savage told him they couldn't justify the mold/setup costs for the .300 and so used a hunting model on it. Savage dropped the 110FCP-K last year due to low sales. They may have used the slimmer hunting stock, or some variation of it, on other FP models, as well.

IIRC the post - on an AZ hunting site and again on a 1911 site - had a close up pics of his .308 FCP-K, his .300 WM FCP-K, and a 10FP with HS Pre stock. I read it when I was trying to choose between the 700P and the Savage.
 
#26
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Just got off the phone with Savage, I asked if there were any differences in the accustock on the PC and the accu-stock on the hunter max, they stated absolutely not, "an accustock is an accustock" according to customer service.
 
#27
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So what I'm getting from this is all of these stocks (accustock, HS precision,choate, mcmillan, B&S) are on the same playing field with some people preferring one over another? Interesting argument about whether accustocks are all the same or not though.

pharm762 and Greg L, I think I would pay the extra for a savage 10 FCP-K for the accustock if I go savage route.

This raises another question and turns the convo. Can I shoot the 10 FP or 10 FCP-K as a lefty? I have read that it is usually no problem and actually some think it is an advantage to shoot left with right handed rifles. But I have also heard some grips are designed for right handers, which lefties cant use
 
#28
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Savage makes a left handed 10FP, don't remember which model.

The advantage of shooting a right hand gun left handed is you can keep the trigger hand firmly on the stock, pulled into your shoulder to maintain a solid shooting position. The disadvantage is much more movement using your weak hand to cycle the bolt.
 
#29
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yea the FLP and FLCP-K are the left hand versions though I don't see FLP on the savage site anymore. I am semi ambidextrous, doing some thing left handed and some right handed and some things either, so I thought I might learn to shoot both to show off sometimes hehe. Plus I like the challenge. I prefer to shoot left and will start this way and learn right after. It really already doesn't feel unnatural to shoot right but not as comfortable as left.

Sooo, I think ill buy a right hand rifle. I just have to make sure the grip is not designed one way or the other.
 
#30
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I said the same thing and I'm in about $1400.
If you want quality precision rifle don't skimp..

But I got a solid decent set up for $1400.

Remington SPS tactical.
Bushnell 3200 5-15x 40mm Mildot
Badger ordnance M40A3 rings
Badger Ordnance 20 MOA rail
Harris 6-9" Bi-pod.
To me i think this is the cheapest SOLID set up you can really get right now. You can save $20-$30 on the rings and base.. But you get what you pay for in precision shooting. Id suggest getting close to or what I got for a good set up for decent price..


But do your research.. I researched for 3 to 4 months on everything I bought for this rifle one at a time and get every spec you can. Buy parts that last and do the job the first time. Or else you'll have a bunch of cheap broken scrap and still have to end up buying the things you skimped spending money on in the first place.
 
#31
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Dunno about the Savage answer, but when I look at the Accustocked Hunter model #111FCS on the rack and at the Weather Warrior #16FCSS sitting on my table it is an entirely different stock from my FCP-K and from all the other FCP-Ks I've seen. The Hunters and Weather Warriors are all standard hunting profile (slim forend, molded checking, etc.).

About leftys ... when I bought mine my FFL actually found more FLCP-Ks at his distributors than righties. If you have a good FFL nearby who has multiple channels I'm betting he could find you one. I almost bought the FLCP-K because I like a left-side charging handle on semis and thought the left bolt might also be advantageous for fast shooting.

I shoot both handed with mine with no issues (I'm amphibious
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), and my bud is a lefty and shoots it lots. So I'd imagine if you got the FCP-K you'd have no problems. Bet you can find a leftie, though.
 
#32
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I'm trying to keep the cost down on my 6.5x47L build, but with quality goods that just doesn't happen. If you do not change the barrel you will save a bit. Mine is as follows

Rem 700 ss action
Bergara 6.5 Bbl SS 1:8 twist
Badger rings, base, and bottom metal
Manners T4 stock
Leupold MK4 3.5-10x40 M3
Harris bipod 9-13"

Sitting on around 1800. I guess that's how it goes.

Good luck with your build.
 
#33
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OP ... these are all really just opinions. Truth is, a 700 varmint in a new stock will shoot as well as a Savage LE, even though you'll have more invested in it. And a Savage LE will shoot as well as a 700P. Until you start talking about GAP, AI, APA or similar equipment it's all just opinions. It's the indian ... not the arrow.
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#34
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its hard to go wrong with a Savage or a Remmy and scope of at least bushnell 3200 quality or greater with a mil-dot. i really dont think you will be disappointed in any of the combo's already listed or the one you mentioned in your original post. now its just up to yo to decide which is "best" for you.

then you can get out there and start enjoying it. the package from snipercentral is pretty solid and convenient as well. good luck.
 
#35
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Snakum, I'm not sure what GAP, AI, or APA mean but I think I get your point

I think you are right wrighty (sry, ha). Everyone's suggestions seem to be on point and it is a matter of preference. I'll continue to research and sit on it for a bit before I buy.

Leaning toward savage for out of box + and money issues
 
#36
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GAP (Gnat's Ass Precision), AI (Accuracy International), APA (American Precision), and other high end custom makers are where the <span style="font-style: italic">real </span>differences start showing up. One of my shooting buds from the Hide has an APA and it is truly impressive. But until I can shoot 1/2 MOA to 600 yards every time out with my Savage, a weapon like that would be wasted on me. Maybe next year.
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#39
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dang i didnt even notice that. but if the for sale forum is where you need to keep yours eyes at, along with sites such as gun broker. but remember to be leery of odd sells. and use safe ways of transactions. theres a lot of douch bags out there that will do anything possible to take another mans dollar.
 
#40
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I have a Savage weather warrior 116FXP3 ($600)with a Bushnell 3200 tactical 5-15X40 ($350). It is chambered in .300WSM and I am shooting 3 shot groups at a 100 consistently at about 3/4 inch. I have been very pleased with the accutrigger and I feel this is a great setup for reasonable money.
 
#41
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Here is my $.02 go with the new Savage Edge in .308 for roughly $290.00 and add a 3X9 42mm SS mil/mil scope $600 add rings and 20 MOA base from SWFA

get a couple cases of .308 match ammo and get one of the good trainers here on the Hide to teach you the proper use of the rifle.
 
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