Better glass than XTR pro around 2k used???

[Baron85]

Waiting on a new 22 build that should be here next month so in the market for a scope. Currently running 2 Burris XTR3 and 3 XTR pros on my match rifles. I love the 1/4 mil reticles and pretty much everything about the scopes and they have been rock solid for me over the years.

Over the last 2 years age has started to catch up with me and my eyes are starting to go down hill. So my question to the group, are there any optics I can grab on the used market for around $2k that will be a decent step up in glass resolution and ability to cut the mirage?

I have looked through a few ZCO and they are a fairly large step up but I’m not willing to pay the price.

Mark 5’s I have looked through are not as good of glass as the pros I use to me.

Scopes I’m aware of that “might” be an improvement are rzr gen3, Theos, Zeiss S3??? I have not been able to look through any of those to compare so would like feedback there.

Also really like that the Burris has a pretty forgiving paralax setting, can usually set it and forget it for most stages and would like what ever I buy to be similar.

Open to other ideas as well unless it’s people jumping in to say stop being poor and buy a ZCO.

 

[roostercogburn98]

I’m running a NF 4-32(F1) on my deuce deuce. It does well for what I use it for.

Same boat here with the ZCO, just don’t think my current setup needs that kinda of glass, but they are nice

 

[diggler1833]

The Razor G3 you mentioned will be a definite step up, although not earth shattering. Same for the ATACR. What you're getting more of in those two is really mechanical (tactile turrets etc...) more than glass...but the glass IS better.

The S3 that you mentioned will have better contrast, but not clarity/resolution IME. However, the reticle will stand out more for sure, and that will make a difference if trying to shoot stuff other than paper targets.

My NX8 is basically a wash in glass with my Pro. I'd run the NX8 only if weight were a factor.

Those are the four that I have in addition to the XTR Pro.

 

[Baron85]

So the Razor, S3 and ATACR aren’t a large step up in glass? If it’s not a big improvement I strongly prefer the SCR 1/4 reticle over the others.

The turrets are plenty good for me on the Burris, I’m not super picky when it comes to the turrets as long as I don’t get lost, they line up, and are accurate which in my experience the Burris have all been.

 

[diggler1833]

So the Razor, S3 and ATACR aren’t a large step up in glass? If it’s not a big improvement I strongly prefer the SCR 1/4 reticle over the others.

The turrets are plenty good for me on the Burris, I’m not super picky when it comes to the turrets as long as I don’t get lost, they line up, and are accurate which in my experience the Burris have all been.

They're a step up... but you're not going to have your socks blown off by the increase. Diminishing returns definitely occurred for me. Glass quality is subjective, so others may have varying mileage.

Having done my own head-to-head at first/last light, and looking at tree bark/cow hair at distance, I really liked the resolution of my Pro for what I paid for it. The SCR is a good reticle for target shooting too.

That being said, my XTR III has more tactile turrets, and my Pro had to go back for a broken erector. So I'm less sold on it than others. It works great. I paid $1,4xx for mine, and for that price I'd buy again. It has the best "glass" at that price point. But if you gave me $2K, I'd be buying something else.

 

[mmlook]

XTR pro is one of the better ones in that price category

look for a used ZCO with a MPCT2 reticle or maybe a Tangent with a Gen2XR
- those will be $2800-3000ish or so, but definitely what you are looking for

 

[ARShooter91]

I had the chance to borrow a 7-35ATACR for a month or so. Didn't get a chance to shoot any matches with the atacr but I compared them in all different conditions including night with a clip-on.

Very very similar glass, the Pro produced a better image in high mirage and looking into dark spots in the daylight. They're very close. For the price I'm always buying the Pro(never an issue with my xtr3s or Pros) I suppose I'd go with the Atacr if going to war.

I think the next substantial step up is ZCO, Tangent, and perhaps the new Kahles. The image in heavy mirage in the ZCO and Tangent is fantastic. I can't justify them for myself though

 

[Rob01]

Razor Gen III and S3 would be my choices of a step up from the Pro and I have had all three and used them in matches. The Pro wasn’t bad but the reticle was a big turn off for me being not overly dark and blending more so not a good contrast. Glass wasn’t bad but between the Pro and the other two the pro would always be third place for me.

 

[Baron85]

Razor Gen III and S3 would be my choices of a step up from the Pro and I have had all three and used them in matches. The Pro wasn’t bad but the reticle was a big turn off for me being not overly dark and blending more so not a good contrast. Glass wasn’t bad but between the Pro and the other two the pro would always be third place for me.

To clarify your comment, you put the Pro 3rd because of the glass quality or because of the reticle darkness or lack there of? Or reticle design?


From the comments so far it’s sounds like to get a large improvement im going to have to buy ZCO/TT. And the improvements by going to Razor/ATACR are minor but would then have to learn different reticles from my other rifles or switch all of them. Sounding like best bet is look for another Pro.

 

[Rob01]

To clarify your comment, you put the Pro 3rd because of the glass quality or because of the reticle darkness or lack there of? Or reticle design?


From the comments so far it’s sounds like to get a large improvement im going to have to buy ZCO/TT. And the improvements by going to Razor/ATACR are minor but would then have to learn different reticles from my other rifles or switch all of them. Sounding like best bet is look for another Pro.

Both. And if going on a .22 like you said the amount of elevation will come into play also.

And you don’t have to learn reticles. They are right there telling you what they are.

 

[Baron85]

That is very true on reading the reticle, I just find it much easier to have consistency. I had multiple reticles in the past and was so much easier when I consolidated down to SCR 2 1/4 for all my match rifles. When I shoot my SCR 2 reticles it makes me focus and think a bit more now that I’m used to the 2 1/4.

 

[Rob01]

Then you probably won’t be changing to anything that doesn’t have a 1/4 mil reticle.