Pretty obvious this guy was a clown from the start when he included no actual information, useful images, or screenshots of emails.
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White hell makes all the different brands of 22 nosler ammunition that he had tried.
This took a turn in a hurry lol.
This took a turn in a hurry lol.
There’s no evidence. I played everything on the table. I’m not hiding anything.
Other than screenshots of communication, pictures of the test targets, and the ammo manufacturers info.
The issue is, the ammo maker isn't a volume seller. OP is claiming it's an ammo maker who will help customers with barrel returns if needed.
That means that 50 people have contacted him with bad barrels. Which seems unlikely. Also, there's not too many people who would have an issue calling out a company if they returned that many barrels.
As far as thinking it's "nothing" for high volume.....you'll need to adjust that thinking. If a company sells 5,000 chambered barrels and has a 3% return rate, that's 450 barrels in three years. Most shops running CNC are below 3%, but let's just say 3% to be safe. That would mean one single shop in the country found 10% of the bad barrels over a three year period.
You could double those numbers, and that still means a single ammo maker found 5% of the barrels. Sending back 5 barrels per month for any manufacturer would be a ton of bad barrels.
That combined with the complete lack of details from the beginning, doesn't help his claim. I have no doubt he could have a bad barrel, it happens. However, this is definitely not the way to make the complaint.
If I knew it was 22 Nosler. I would have said he deserves whatever happened
'over .300” of jump' is pretty big. Seems like it would be hard to mismeasure that much, is the Hornady measuring case screwed up or something?
That's a two way street. Proof would have a pretty hard time justifying not returning if their chamber cast had shown such an out of spec chamber.
I can't take OP seriously on any of his statements....especially the 50 barrel claim thing. Ammo manufacturer isn't in here to defend themselves but if I was a betting person I would say OP is making false claims on that as well.
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Should have been in the dumpster a long time ago
Pics of the chamber casting?
I’d never trust a company that can’t cut a coned breech.
I’d never trust a company that can’t cut a coned breech.
Proof had pics but the dude must have deleted things. There were pics of the cast and test targets. If I come across it again I’ll post but when I was back on Facebook it was gone.
I can confirm there's at least one pic of a 5 shot test group from Proof that was .5 or less.
The images do exist, I've seen them, and they were posted on another thread on Facebook. But it's private so a person can't link you there. The same post the OP had on the Nebraska predator hunters page has mysteriously gone missing in the last hour also.
quoted so we have this when OP finally gives up and admits he's a fuck
Oh! I found the post and was able to grab a screen shot. The best part is you can see the OP is asking what bullet was used to cast the chamber…….clearly doesn’t understand you cast the chamber, freebore, lead in and can clearly see the rifling and that you don’t use a bullet during casting of a chamber……
I think you stole my pictures there because that's how my 6 ARC carbon barrel looked when new (being sarcastic here but my barrel had rough machining marks for a premium barrel). Thought I had to send rounds through her per their break in procedure but I could never get under 1.5 moa.
That's like a $75k Keyence machine doing the measuring.
Why does this thread have a very "Scopeye" feel to it... Anyone else, or is it just me? 
I agree that is a high failure rate for a prestigous company.
I can't speak to the ammo company but I can say that I witnessed a number of prefit PR barrels from a single order that had the freebore so off-center they wouldn't allow a factory round to seat fully. To PR's credit they apologized and sent replacements ASAP. Take it for what it is......I figured I witnessed such a small sampling that I can easy extrapalate that by X, considering PR capability and output, and not be unreasonable.
I think some of the statements still hold true.......PR (prefit or not) is more of a gamble than others.
In all honesty I used to be a big PR steel blank fan.....cheap cut rifled, 4 groove (my prefence), short leadtimes, and active sport sponsorship. Unfortunately, I have noticed a slide and can't honestly hold them in the same light. I have said this before and continue to say it.....I refuse to play the dick suck game and gain points by promoting products I am not confident in.
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I don't believe this thread will reach epic status, but it did provide some afternoon entertainment. Sounds like someone may be backtracking a bit or attempting to hide the paper trail. However, once on the interwebs..... 
Big surprise
Local fudd
Asked another fudd
Both with wobbly lathes
And they agree…
Then
original fudd comes on the hide expects to start a revolution
Other fudds on the hide who also listen to stories made up by their local fudds join in the bashing
…even though they know nothing about the issue and will still buy and shoot the same mfg product
and magically when it gets down to the truth the opening fudd starts trying to clean his tracks
…Typical firearms customer and forum BS.
Local fudd
Asked another fudd
Both with wobbly lathes
And they agree…
Then
original fudd comes on the hide expects to start a revolution
Other fudds on the hide who also listen to stories made up by their local fudds join in the bashing
…even though they know nothing about the issue and will still buy and shoot the same mfg product
and magically when it gets down to the truth the opening fudd starts trying to clean his tracks
…Typical firearms customer and forum BS.
Sounds like a fair assessment of the local (Hide) scope drama lately, too...
That's what I mean, if it was that screwed up a manufacturer is going to send you a new one and say 'Sorry', here's a new barrel and some schwag...If I came up with that measurement my first thought would be I forgot to zero out something or my calipers were in metric or something.
Is it a very serious accusation? I wasn't sure
Beginning of the year I was told by damn near everyone 8-10 weeks for a 22 cal proof blank. But maybe if I talk to a guy that I'd get the privilege of spending my $700+ a few weeks faster. I passed.
And good luck on ordering from Bartlien. I thought they were claiming 6 months for orders because aren't they making barrels for Uncle Sugar and the Ukraine proxy war?
Thankfully Kreiger has in stock blanks. They fluted and shipped in like 2 weeks
Want to know where this gets even weirder? This isn’t even the same Facebook group I saw. I found his post on a completely different predator hunting group. This dude I think just hit up every forum and Facebook group with this nonsense lmao
This is fairly common. Happened with ZCO and a few other companies in the past.
Someone has a perceived problem that isn’t settled the way the want, so they go to every page and forum posting about it.
Historically, anytime someone uses this scorched earth method, they are not educated properly on the gear or performance.
Ummm, yes, claiming to return 50 barrels to the same manufacturer in three years is a very serious accusation. With the implication they were defective.
That would be very out of the norm.
Proof probably called him on his BS and sent him a cease and desist so he tried to wipe his tracks clean on facebook
454.00 is for a steel prefit carbon are 734.00 a blank is now 650.00 Hardly worth it when there are far better products at 750 and more reliable products from carbon six and others at 650 retail. I've scoped 4 prefit proofs in the last year. I'd never waste my money on them.
This might be a hot take but I think some people honestly just look for problems. I see this all the time. On the barrel side of things its the "well I borescoped it and saw (insert imperfection)". Did you try maybe shooting it?
Common question around here. Uncommon to get an answer.
Yeah I saw this on a number of groups, then came here and saw it as well.
Admittedly, mine aren't pretty with a scope, but they shoot just as good as my PVA and other prefits. So, I keep buying them.
Been saying this about proof for years....
Bartlein or GTFO keep those hammers coming @Frank Green ! Also when you guys getting new shirts or hoodies!
Bartlein or GTFO keep those hammers coming @Frank Green ! Also when you guys getting new shirts or hoodies!
I would be interested in reading your review of them.
What scope and rings you using?
I don’t simp for proof but I call BS. I had a bad proof, 16” CF 308 for an AR. They replaced it immediately. Second barrel wasn’t up to par, called, they apologized and took my entire rifle in on their dime, replaced barrel, sent targets with test groups and asked if I was satisfied. First out of many I had an issue with but it happened. Wasn’t happy, but I was very pleased with how quickly they tried addressing everything with no hesitation. Most all of this is in email as well.
I don’t know what you guys are mad about. Seems real nice of Proof to take care of the heavy lifting for you by sending you a barrel with the throat already eroded and metal three piece cleaning rod damage so you don’t have to do it yourself.
Should save you thousands in ammo costs.
Should save you thousands in ammo costs.
