Biometric gun safe question
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Re: Biometric gun safe question
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: seaaggie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">wouldnt touch it, like my combo lock, always works </div></div>
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: seaaggie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">wouldnt touch it, like my combo lock, always works </div></div>
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Re: Biometric gun safe question
combination lock for me as well.
electronic locks can fail and the batterys can die which is a pain.
combination lock for me as well.
electronic locks can fail and the batterys can die which is a pain.
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I work in the physical security field. Stay away from entry level biometrics, they are a recipe for frustration. Unless your prepared to spend many thousands of dollars for a quality biometric system, get a good mechanical lock from Sargeant and Greenleaf(the 6730 model is the standard). They have not changed much in about 60 years-because they work! Now if your concerned with someone manipulating(it's a technique of bypassing a mechanical safe lock-look it up) your safe lock, get an Mas Hamilton/Kaba Mas X-09. It's the lock the government specs. Just get ready to spend about $1300-1500 for just the lock. However, they are no-where near as reliable as a good ole' mechanical lock.
As a side note: a (very) experienced safe and vault tech can generally manipulate a standard S&G lock in anywhere from 20 min to a few hours. The manipulation process is not 100% a sure thing, but it works more times that it fails. But you have to think about it this way, if you got folks with that skillset after your stuff, your in trouble even if you have it in a bank vault!
I work in the physical security field. Stay away from entry level biometrics, they are a recipe for frustration. Unless your prepared to spend many thousands of dollars for a quality biometric system, get a good mechanical lock from Sargeant and Greenleaf(the 6730 model is the standard). They have not changed much in about 60 years-because they work! Now if your concerned with someone manipulating(it's a technique of bypassing a mechanical safe lock-look it up) your safe lock, get an Mas Hamilton/Kaba Mas X-09. It's the lock the government specs. Just get ready to spend about $1300-1500 for just the lock. However, they are no-where near as reliable as a good ole' mechanical lock.
As a side note: a (very) experienced safe and vault tech can generally manipulate a standard S&G lock in anywhere from 20 min to a few hours. The manipulation process is not 100% a sure thing, but it works more times that it fails. But you have to think about it this way, if you got folks with that skillset after your stuff, your in trouble even if you have it in a bank vault!
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secondstoryguy, does manipulating the lock apply to S&G Group I locks as well, or only to Group II?
secondstoryguy, does manipulating the lock apply to S&G Group I locks as well, or only to Group II?
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: beenjammin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">combination lock for me as well.
electronic locks can fail and the batterys can die which is a pain.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: beenjammin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">combination lock for me as well.
electronic locks can fail and the batterys can die which is a pain.
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UL rated group 1 S&G locks are A LOT more resistant to manipulation. It can be done, but you had better have a comfortable seat! They countermeasures in the lock body so it's hard to determine the drop in's. Group 1 locks are used far less in modern safes than the group 2 variety.
Here is a good writeup on safe locks and methods of bypassing them:
http://www.crypto.com/papers/safelocks.pdf
UL rated group 1 S&G locks are A LOT more resistant to manipulation. It can be done, but you had better have a comfortable seat! They countermeasures in the lock body so it's hard to determine the drop in's. Group 1 locks are used far less in modern safes than the group 2 variety.
Here is a good writeup on safe locks and methods of bypassing them:
http://www.crypto.com/papers/safelocks.pdf
