Re: blackwater sniper
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Re: blackwater sniper
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chiller</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
son.....stop digging </div></div>
I thought the rule of holes was when you find one it's time to lay some pipe . *shrug*
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chiller</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
son.....stop digging </div></div>
I thought the rule of holes was when you find one it's time to lay some pipe . *shrug*
Re: blackwater sniper
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sentry1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Let the young'un have his fun! America is full of veterans who were once bright eyed 17 year olds that saw Full Metal Jacket and said "Fuck yeah I wanna get slapped in the face at Parris Island!"
Here are some important lessons you will learn at PI (San Diego? WTF, is that even a thing? J/K! =p )
1) Dress blues will make panties drop.
2) Aforementioned dress blues will not fix a doomed relationship. So make sure you take some dirty, dirty pictures of that b*&#$ for when she tries to take your dog!
3) Your knees will go snap, crackle, & pop after a few years in the Corps.
4) You will fuck up, repeatedly. You will discover just how stupid you are, or how stupid other people think you are.
5) You will get a straw, you will suck it up, and anyone who's not going to help you learn can GTFO.
So, do your thing Bullitz, and if you come out the other side as one of us, good on ya.
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im likin number 1, haha
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sentry1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Let the young'un have his fun! America is full of veterans who were once bright eyed 17 year olds that saw Full Metal Jacket and said "Fuck yeah I wanna get slapped in the face at Parris Island!"
Here are some important lessons you will learn at PI (San Diego? WTF, is that even a thing? J/K! =p )
1) Dress blues will make panties drop.
2) Aforementioned dress blues will not fix a doomed relationship. So make sure you take some dirty, dirty pictures of that b*&#$ for when she tries to take your dog!
3) Your knees will go snap, crackle, & pop after a few years in the Corps.
4) You will fuck up, repeatedly. You will discover just how stupid you are, or how stupid other people think you are.
5) You will get a straw, you will suck it up, and anyone who's not going to help you learn can GTFO.
So, do your thing Bullitz, and if you come out the other side as one of us, good on ya.
</div></div>
im likin number 1, haha
Re: blackwater sniper
FWIW,
That was Travis Haley in the video.
It was not staged…
That was not what would be considered normal operations.
It was a handful of BW guys and a couple Marines vs. the entire city of Najaf.
They did what they had to do in order to survive.
Read up on it…
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The Washington Post</div><div class="ubbcode-body">An attack by hundreds of Iraqi militia members on the U.S. government's headquarters in Najaf on Sunday was repulsed not by the U.S. military, but by eight commandos from a private security firm, according to sources familiar with the incident.
Before U.S. reinforcements could arrive, the firm, Blackwater Security Consulting, sent in its own helicopters amid an intense firefight to resupply its commandos with ammunition and to ferry out a wounded Marine, the sources said.
The role of Blackwater's commandos in Sunday's fighting in Najaf illuminates the gray zone between their formal role as bodyguards and the realities of operating in an active war zone. Thousands of armed private security contractors are operating in Iraq in a wide variety of missions and exchanging fire with Iraqis every day, according to informal after-action reports from several companies.
In Sunday's fighting, Shiite militia forces barraged the Blackwater commandos, four MPs and a Marine gunner with rocket-propelled grenades and AK-47 fire for hours before U.S. Special Forces troops arrived. A sniper on a nearby roof apparently wounded three men. U.S. troops faced heavy fighting in several Iraqi cities that day.
The Blackwater commandos, most of whom are former Special Forces troops, are on contract to provide security for the U.S.-led Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA) in Najaf.
With their ammunition nearly gone, a wounded and badly bleeding Marine on the rooftop, and no reinforcement by the U.S. military in the immediate offing, the company sent in helicopters to drop ammunition and pick up the Marine.
The identity of the Marine and two other wounded men could not be established, but their blood was still fresh hours later, when the top U.S. commander in Iraq, Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, and spokesman Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt arrived to survey the battle zone.
Without commenting at a news conference yesterday on the role of the Blackwater guards, Kimmitt described what he saw after the fighting ended. "I know on a rooftop yesterday in An Najaf, with a small group of American soldiers and coalition soldiers . . . who had just been through about 3 1/2 hours of combat, I looked in their eyes, there was no crisis.
"They knew what they were here for," he continued. "They'd lost three wounded. We were sitting there among the bullet shells -- the bullet casings -- and, frankly, the blood of their comrades, and they were absolutely confident."
During the defense of the authority headquarters, thousands of rounds were fired and hundreds of 40mm grenades shot. Sources who asked not to be identified because of the sensitivity of Blackwater's work in Iraq reported an unspecified number of casualties among Iraqis.
A spokesman for Blackwater confirmed that the company has a contract to provide security to the CPA but would not describe the incident that unfolded Sunday.
A Defense Department spokesman said that there were no military reports about the opening hours of the siege on CPA headquarters in Najaf because there were no military personnel on the scene. The Defense Department often does not have a clear handle on the daily actions of security contractors because the contractors work directly for the coalition authority, which coordinates and communicates on a limited basis through the normal military chain of command.
The four men brutally slain Wednesday in Fallujah were also Blackwater employees and were operating in the Sunni triangle area under more hazardous conditions -- unarmored cars with no apparent backup -- than the U.S. military or the CIA permit.
One senior Blackwater manager has described those killings to U.S. government officials as the result of a "high-quality" attack as skilled as one that can be mounted by U.S. Special Forces, according to a copy of a report on the incident obtained by The Washington Post.
The four victims of that attack, according to Blackwater spokesman Chris Bertelli, were escorting trucks carrying either food or kitchen equipment for Regency Hotel and Hospitality. Regency is a subcontractor to Eurest Support Services (ESS), a division of the Compass Group, the world's largest food service company.
ESS provides food services to more than a dozen U.S. military dining facilities in Iraq, according to news accounts.
Blackwater, a security and training company based in Moyock, N.C., prides itself on the high caliber of its personnel, many of whom are former U.S. Navy SEALs. It has 450 employees in Iraq, many of them providing security to CPA employees, including the U.S. administrator, L. Paul Bremer, and to VIPs visiting Iraq.
Blackwater has applied to occupy a former MIG air base near Baghdad as a counterterrorism training facility for Iraqi forces. The training range will mirror the 6,000-acre Moyock site, which is frequented by U.S. law enforcement and military personnel.
© 2004 The Washington Post Company</div></div>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Blogs of War</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
The 5-man Blackwater crew that was assigned to CPA Najaf were coming under heavy small arms and mortar fire, the city was being taken over by insurgents. The police stations and hospitals were taken over as well, after a day of fighting off hundreds of insurgents the city had been completely overrun, with the CPA in the heart of the city and no way out.
The Team called up to Baghdad and reported the situation, they said they needed immediate extract which Gen Sanchez also denied due to the fact the city had been overrun and there were no US troops there, only contractors.
Well, Ambassador Bremer was pissed at Sanchez and I remember being on office watch during the massive arguments! Ambassador Bremer and our Baghdad TM Leader got together and Bremer said ”I don’t want another Bridge hanging! Get those boys out of there by any means necessary!” so 12 of us — 6 pilots and 6 gunners loaded as much as we could in 3 MD530 little birds and headed 70 miles south. we flew in the first day and blind (no comms, and no intel on the heat) to try a resupply, land find out was going on and then head back, rearm and get ready to go again. Well that night all hell broke lose and we flew back in. Over 1000 insurgents (reported by the F18 pilots) had taken the city and now wanted the CPA after a day of intense fighting by 11 BW guys, airstrikes, a handful of Marines and 1 sniper we were able to hold them off. After it DIED down and gunships and SF guys finally started to roll in the battle was soon over and we the CPA was saved.
That’s pretty much it in a nut in a nutshell…</div></div>
FWIW,
That was Travis Haley in the video.
It was not staged…
That was not what would be considered normal operations.
It was a handful of BW guys and a couple Marines vs. the entire city of Najaf.
They did what they had to do in order to survive.
Read up on it…
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The Washington Post</div><div class="ubbcode-body">An attack by hundreds of Iraqi militia members on the U.S. government's headquarters in Najaf on Sunday was repulsed not by the U.S. military, but by eight commandos from a private security firm, according to sources familiar with the incident.
Before U.S. reinforcements could arrive, the firm, Blackwater Security Consulting, sent in its own helicopters amid an intense firefight to resupply its commandos with ammunition and to ferry out a wounded Marine, the sources said.
The role of Blackwater's commandos in Sunday's fighting in Najaf illuminates the gray zone between their formal role as bodyguards and the realities of operating in an active war zone. Thousands of armed private security contractors are operating in Iraq in a wide variety of missions and exchanging fire with Iraqis every day, according to informal after-action reports from several companies.
In Sunday's fighting, Shiite militia forces barraged the Blackwater commandos, four MPs and a Marine gunner with rocket-propelled grenades and AK-47 fire for hours before U.S. Special Forces troops arrived. A sniper on a nearby roof apparently wounded three men. U.S. troops faced heavy fighting in several Iraqi cities that day.
The Blackwater commandos, most of whom are former Special Forces troops, are on contract to provide security for the U.S.-led Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA) in Najaf.
With their ammunition nearly gone, a wounded and badly bleeding Marine on the rooftop, and no reinforcement by the U.S. military in the immediate offing, the company sent in helicopters to drop ammunition and pick up the Marine.
The identity of the Marine and two other wounded men could not be established, but their blood was still fresh hours later, when the top U.S. commander in Iraq, Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, and spokesman Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt arrived to survey the battle zone.
Without commenting at a news conference yesterday on the role of the Blackwater guards, Kimmitt described what he saw after the fighting ended. "I know on a rooftop yesterday in An Najaf, with a small group of American soldiers and coalition soldiers . . . who had just been through about 3 1/2 hours of combat, I looked in their eyes, there was no crisis.
"They knew what they were here for," he continued. "They'd lost three wounded. We were sitting there among the bullet shells -- the bullet casings -- and, frankly, the blood of their comrades, and they were absolutely confident."
During the defense of the authority headquarters, thousands of rounds were fired and hundreds of 40mm grenades shot. Sources who asked not to be identified because of the sensitivity of Blackwater's work in Iraq reported an unspecified number of casualties among Iraqis.
A spokesman for Blackwater confirmed that the company has a contract to provide security to the CPA but would not describe the incident that unfolded Sunday.
A Defense Department spokesman said that there were no military reports about the opening hours of the siege on CPA headquarters in Najaf because there were no military personnel on the scene. The Defense Department often does not have a clear handle on the daily actions of security contractors because the contractors work directly for the coalition authority, which coordinates and communicates on a limited basis through the normal military chain of command.
The four men brutally slain Wednesday in Fallujah were also Blackwater employees and were operating in the Sunni triangle area under more hazardous conditions -- unarmored cars with no apparent backup -- than the U.S. military or the CIA permit.
One senior Blackwater manager has described those killings to U.S. government officials as the result of a "high-quality" attack as skilled as one that can be mounted by U.S. Special Forces, according to a copy of a report on the incident obtained by The Washington Post.
The four victims of that attack, according to Blackwater spokesman Chris Bertelli, were escorting trucks carrying either food or kitchen equipment for Regency Hotel and Hospitality. Regency is a subcontractor to Eurest Support Services (ESS), a division of the Compass Group, the world's largest food service company.
ESS provides food services to more than a dozen U.S. military dining facilities in Iraq, according to news accounts.
Blackwater, a security and training company based in Moyock, N.C., prides itself on the high caliber of its personnel, many of whom are former U.S. Navy SEALs. It has 450 employees in Iraq, many of them providing security to CPA employees, including the U.S. administrator, L. Paul Bremer, and to VIPs visiting Iraq.
Blackwater has applied to occupy a former MIG air base near Baghdad as a counterterrorism training facility for Iraqi forces. The training range will mirror the 6,000-acre Moyock site, which is frequented by U.S. law enforcement and military personnel.
© 2004 The Washington Post Company</div></div>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Blogs of War</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
The 5-man Blackwater crew that was assigned to CPA Najaf were coming under heavy small arms and mortar fire, the city was being taken over by insurgents. The police stations and hospitals were taken over as well, after a day of fighting off hundreds of insurgents the city had been completely overrun, with the CPA in the heart of the city and no way out.
The Team called up to Baghdad and reported the situation, they said they needed immediate extract which Gen Sanchez also denied due to the fact the city had been overrun and there were no US troops there, only contractors.
Well, Ambassador Bremer was pissed at Sanchez and I remember being on office watch during the massive arguments! Ambassador Bremer and our Baghdad TM Leader got together and Bremer said ”I don’t want another Bridge hanging! Get those boys out of there by any means necessary!” so 12 of us — 6 pilots and 6 gunners loaded as much as we could in 3 MD530 little birds and headed 70 miles south. we flew in the first day and blind (no comms, and no intel on the heat) to try a resupply, land find out was going on and then head back, rearm and get ready to go again. Well that night all hell broke lose and we flew back in. Over 1000 insurgents (reported by the F18 pilots) had taken the city and now wanted the CPA after a day of intense fighting by 11 BW guys, airstrikes, a handful of Marines and 1 sniper we were able to hold them off. After it DIED down and gunships and SF guys finally started to roll in the battle was soon over and we the CPA was saved.
That’s pretty much it in a nut in a nutshell…</div></div>
Re: blackwater sniper
And to Travis... God Bless, Kopfjäger.
And to Travis... God Bless, Kopfjäger.
Re: blackwater sniper
Did they clone Travis Haley using hair from Chuck Norris' beard?
Did they clone Travis Haley using hair from Chuck Norris' beard?
Re: blackwater sniper
I love posts like this.
I went to school for five years thinking I wanted to cover warzones.
Having done 2 embedded tours as a civilian with the forces, it's kindof lost its appeal.
I love posts like this.
I went to school for five years thinking I wanted to cover warzones.
Having done 2 embedded tours as a civilian with the forces, it's kindof lost its appeal.
Re: blackwater sniper
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr. Phil</div><div class="ubbcode-body">FWIW,
That was Travis Haley in the video.
It was not staged…
That was not what would be considered normal operations.
It was a handful of BW guys and a couple Marines vs. the entire city of Najaf.
They did what they had to do in order to survive.
Read up on it…
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The Washington Post</div><div class="ubbcode-body">An attack by hundreds of Iraqi militia members on the U.S. government's headquarters in Najaf on Sunday was repulsed not by the U.S. military, but by eight commandos from a private security firm, according to sources familiar with the incident.
Before U.S. reinforcements could arrive, the firm, Blackwater Security Consulting, sent in its own helicopters amid an intense firefight to resupply its commandos with ammunition and to ferry out a wounded Marine, the sources said.
The role of Blackwater's commandos in Sunday's fighting in Najaf illuminates the gray zone between their formal role as bodyguards and the realities of operating in an active war zone. Thousands of armed private security contractors are operating in Iraq in a wide variety of missions and exchanging fire with Iraqis every day, according to informal after-action reports from several companies.
In Sunday's fighting, Shiite militia forces barraged the Blackwater commandos, four MPs and a Marine gunner with rocket-propelled grenades and AK-47 fire for hours before U.S. Special Forces troops arrived. A sniper on a nearby roof apparently wounded three men. U.S. troops faced heavy fighting in several Iraqi cities that day.
The Blackwater commandos, most of whom are former Special Forces troops, are on contract to provide security for the U.S.-led Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA) in Najaf.
With their ammunition nearly gone, a wounded and badly bleeding Marine on the rooftop, and no reinforcement by the U.S. military in the immediate offing, the company sent in helicopters to drop ammunition and pick up the Marine.
The identity of the Marine and two other wounded men could not be established, but their blood was still fresh hours later, when the top U.S. commander in Iraq, Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, and spokesman Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt arrived to survey the battle zone.
Without commenting at a news conference yesterday on the role of the Blackwater guards, Kimmitt described what he saw after the fighting ended. "I know on a rooftop yesterday in An Najaf, with a small group of American soldiers and coalition soldiers . . . who had just been through about 3 1/2 hours of combat, I looked in their eyes, there was no crisis.
"They knew what they were here for," he continued. "They'd lost three wounded. We were sitting there among the bullet shells -- the bullet casings -- and, frankly, the blood of their comrades, and they were absolutely confident."
During the defense of the authority headquarters, thousands of rounds were fired and hundreds of 40mm grenades shot. Sources who asked not to be identified because of the sensitivity of Blackwater's work in Iraq reported an unspecified number of casualties among Iraqis.
A spokesman for Blackwater confirmed that the company has a contract to provide security to the CPA but would not describe the incident that unfolded Sunday.
A Defense Department spokesman said that there were no military reports about the opening hours of the siege on CPA headquarters in Najaf because there were no military personnel on the scene. The Defense Department often does not have a clear handle on the daily actions of security contractors because the contractors work directly for the coalition authority, which coordinates and communicates on a limited basis through the normal military chain of command.
The four men brutally slain Wednesday in Fallujah were also Blackwater employees and were operating in the Sunni triangle area under more hazardous conditions -- unarmored cars with no apparent backup -- than the U.S. military or the CIA permit.
One senior Blackwater manager has described those killings to U.S. government officials as the result of a "high-quality" attack as skilled as one that can be mounted by U.S. Special Forces, according to a copy of a report on the incident obtained by The Washington Post.
The four victims of that attack, according to Blackwater spokesman Chris Bertelli, were escorting trucks carrying either food or kitchen equipment for Regency Hotel and Hospitality. Regency is a subcontractor to Eurest Support Services (ESS), a division of the Compass Group, the world's largest food service company.
ESS provides food services to more than a dozen U.S. military dining facilities in Iraq, according to news accounts.
Blackwater, a security and training company based in Moyock, N.C., prides itself on the high caliber of its personnel, many of whom are former U.S. Navy SEALs. It has 450 employees in Iraq, many of them providing security to CPA employees, including the U.S. administrator, L. Paul Bremer, and to VIPs visiting Iraq.
Blackwater has applied to occupy a former MIG air base near Baghdad as a counterterrorism training facility for Iraqi forces. The training range will mirror the 6,000-acre Moyock site, which is frequented by U.S. law enforcement and military personnel.
© 2004 The Washington Post Company</div></div>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Blogs of War</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
The 5-man Blackwater crew that was assigned to CPA Najaf were coming under heavy small arms and mortar fire, the city was being taken over by insurgents. The police stations and hospitals were taken over as well, after a day of fighting off hundreds of insurgents the city had been completely overrun, with the CPA in the heart of the city and no way out.
The Team called up to Baghdad and reported the situation, they said they needed immediate extract which Gen Sanchez also denied due to the fact the city had been overrun and there were no US troops there, only contractors.
Well, Ambassador Bremer was pissed at Sanchez and I remember being on office watch during the massive arguments! Ambassador Bremer and our Baghdad TM Leader got together and Bremer said ”I don’t want another Bridge hanging! Get those boys out of there by any means necessary!” so 12 of us — 6 pilots and 6 gunners loaded as much as we could in 3 MD530 little birds and headed 70 miles south. we flew in the first day and blind (no comms, and no intel on the heat) to try a resupply, land find out was going on and then head back, rearm and get ready to go again. Well that night all hell broke lose and we flew back in. Over 1000 insurgents (reported by the F18 pilots) had taken the city and now wanted the CPA after a day of intense fighting by 11 BW guys, airstrikes, a handful of Marines and 1 sniper we were able to hold them off. After it DIED down and gunships and SF guys finally started to roll in the battle was soon over and we the CPA was saved.
That’s pretty much it in a nut in a nutshell…</div></div> </div></div>
What you don't know is that two of the Blackwater guys involved in that were fired from their previous teams. One because he was incompetent dealing with the client, the other because he was randomly killing innocents.
How do I know? I was on one of those teams.
Those assholes never should have had a camera on in the first place.
Doing things like that do not credit you or whatever unit your in. They simply
show that you don't know rule number 2. Keep your mouth shut, if your in it for the
publicity you should choose another profession.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr. Phil</div><div class="ubbcode-body">FWIW,
That was Travis Haley in the video.
It was not staged…
That was not what would be considered normal operations.
It was a handful of BW guys and a couple Marines vs. the entire city of Najaf.
They did what they had to do in order to survive.
Read up on it…
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The Washington Post</div><div class="ubbcode-body">An attack by hundreds of Iraqi militia members on the U.S. government's headquarters in Najaf on Sunday was repulsed not by the U.S. military, but by eight commandos from a private security firm, according to sources familiar with the incident.
Before U.S. reinforcements could arrive, the firm, Blackwater Security Consulting, sent in its own helicopters amid an intense firefight to resupply its commandos with ammunition and to ferry out a wounded Marine, the sources said.
The role of Blackwater's commandos in Sunday's fighting in Najaf illuminates the gray zone between their formal role as bodyguards and the realities of operating in an active war zone. Thousands of armed private security contractors are operating in Iraq in a wide variety of missions and exchanging fire with Iraqis every day, according to informal after-action reports from several companies.
In Sunday's fighting, Shiite militia forces barraged the Blackwater commandos, four MPs and a Marine gunner with rocket-propelled grenades and AK-47 fire for hours before U.S. Special Forces troops arrived. A sniper on a nearby roof apparently wounded three men. U.S. troops faced heavy fighting in several Iraqi cities that day.
The Blackwater commandos, most of whom are former Special Forces troops, are on contract to provide security for the U.S.-led Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA) in Najaf.
With their ammunition nearly gone, a wounded and badly bleeding Marine on the rooftop, and no reinforcement by the U.S. military in the immediate offing, the company sent in helicopters to drop ammunition and pick up the Marine.
The identity of the Marine and two other wounded men could not be established, but their blood was still fresh hours later, when the top U.S. commander in Iraq, Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, and spokesman Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt arrived to survey the battle zone.
Without commenting at a news conference yesterday on the role of the Blackwater guards, Kimmitt described what he saw after the fighting ended. "I know on a rooftop yesterday in An Najaf, with a small group of American soldiers and coalition soldiers . . . who had just been through about 3 1/2 hours of combat, I looked in their eyes, there was no crisis.
"They knew what they were here for," he continued. "They'd lost three wounded. We were sitting there among the bullet shells -- the bullet casings -- and, frankly, the blood of their comrades, and they were absolutely confident."
During the defense of the authority headquarters, thousands of rounds were fired and hundreds of 40mm grenades shot. Sources who asked not to be identified because of the sensitivity of Blackwater's work in Iraq reported an unspecified number of casualties among Iraqis.
A spokesman for Blackwater confirmed that the company has a contract to provide security to the CPA but would not describe the incident that unfolded Sunday.
A Defense Department spokesman said that there were no military reports about the opening hours of the siege on CPA headquarters in Najaf because there were no military personnel on the scene. The Defense Department often does not have a clear handle on the daily actions of security contractors because the contractors work directly for the coalition authority, which coordinates and communicates on a limited basis through the normal military chain of command.
The four men brutally slain Wednesday in Fallujah were also Blackwater employees and were operating in the Sunni triangle area under more hazardous conditions -- unarmored cars with no apparent backup -- than the U.S. military or the CIA permit.
One senior Blackwater manager has described those killings to U.S. government officials as the result of a "high-quality" attack as skilled as one that can be mounted by U.S. Special Forces, according to a copy of a report on the incident obtained by The Washington Post.
The four victims of that attack, according to Blackwater spokesman Chris Bertelli, were escorting trucks carrying either food or kitchen equipment for Regency Hotel and Hospitality. Regency is a subcontractor to Eurest Support Services (ESS), a division of the Compass Group, the world's largest food service company.
ESS provides food services to more than a dozen U.S. military dining facilities in Iraq, according to news accounts.
Blackwater, a security and training company based in Moyock, N.C., prides itself on the high caliber of its personnel, many of whom are former U.S. Navy SEALs. It has 450 employees in Iraq, many of them providing security to CPA employees, including the U.S. administrator, L. Paul Bremer, and to VIPs visiting Iraq.
Blackwater has applied to occupy a former MIG air base near Baghdad as a counterterrorism training facility for Iraqi forces. The training range will mirror the 6,000-acre Moyock site, which is frequented by U.S. law enforcement and military personnel.
© 2004 The Washington Post Company</div></div>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Blogs of War</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
The 5-man Blackwater crew that was assigned to CPA Najaf were coming under heavy small arms and mortar fire, the city was being taken over by insurgents. The police stations and hospitals were taken over as well, after a day of fighting off hundreds of insurgents the city had been completely overrun, with the CPA in the heart of the city and no way out.
The Team called up to Baghdad and reported the situation, they said they needed immediate extract which Gen Sanchez also denied due to the fact the city had been overrun and there were no US troops there, only contractors.
Well, Ambassador Bremer was pissed at Sanchez and I remember being on office watch during the massive arguments! Ambassador Bremer and our Baghdad TM Leader got together and Bremer said ”I don’t want another Bridge hanging! Get those boys out of there by any means necessary!” so 12 of us — 6 pilots and 6 gunners loaded as much as we could in 3 MD530 little birds and headed 70 miles south. we flew in the first day and blind (no comms, and no intel on the heat) to try a resupply, land find out was going on and then head back, rearm and get ready to go again. Well that night all hell broke lose and we flew back in. Over 1000 insurgents (reported by the F18 pilots) had taken the city and now wanted the CPA after a day of intense fighting by 11 BW guys, airstrikes, a handful of Marines and 1 sniper we were able to hold them off. After it DIED down and gunships and SF guys finally started to roll in the battle was soon over and we the CPA was saved.
That’s pretty much it in a nut in a nutshell…</div></div> </div></div>
What you don't know is that two of the Blackwater guys involved in that were fired from their previous teams. One because he was incompetent dealing with the client, the other because he was randomly killing innocents.
How do I know? I was on one of those teams.
Those assholes never should have had a camera on in the first place.
Doing things like that do not credit you or whatever unit your in. They simply
show that you don't know rule number 2. Keep your mouth shut, if your in it for the
publicity you should choose another profession.
Re: blackwater sniper
LOL...
Travis always had a thing for video.
It is pretty funny that he set a camera up to record himself.
In the end though, he made a pretty good career out of making videos.
LOL...
Travis always had a thing for video.
It is pretty funny that he set a camera up to record himself.
In the end though, he made a pretty good career out of making videos.
Re: blackwater sniper
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: YourMotherTrebek</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr. Phil</div><div class="ubbcode-body">FWIW,
That was Travis Haley in the video.
It was not staged…
That was not what would be considered normal operations.
It was a handful of BW guys and a couple Marines vs. the entire city of Najaf.
They did what they had to do in order to survive.
Read up on it…
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The Washington Post</div><div class="ubbcode-body">An attack by hundreds of Iraqi militia members on the U.S. government's headquarters in Najaf on Sunday was repulsed not by the U.S. military, but by eight commandos from a private security firm, according to sources familiar with the incident.
Before U.S. reinforcements could arrive, the firm, Blackwater Security Consulting, sent in its own helicopters amid an intense firefight to resupply its commandos with ammunition and to ferry out a wounded Marine, the sources said.
The role of Blackwater's commandos in Sunday's fighting in Najaf illuminates the gray zone between their formal role as bodyguards and the realities of operating in an active war zone. Thousands of armed private security contractors are operating in Iraq in a wide variety of missions and exchanging fire with Iraqis every day, according to informal after-action reports from several companies.
In Sunday's fighting, Shiite militia forces barraged the Blackwater commandos, four MPs and a Marine gunner with rocket-propelled grenades and AK-47 fire for hours before U.S. Special Forces troops arrived. A sniper on a nearby roof apparently wounded three men. U.S. troops faced heavy fighting in several Iraqi cities that day.
The Blackwater commandos, most of whom are former Special Forces troops, are on contract to provide security for the U.S.-led Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA) in Najaf.
With their ammunition nearly gone, a wounded and badly bleeding Marine on the rooftop, and no reinforcement by the U.S. military in the immediate offing, the company sent in helicopters to drop ammunition and pick up the Marine.
The identity of the Marine and two other wounded men could not be established, but their blood was still fresh hours later, when the top U.S. commander in Iraq, Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, and spokesman Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt arrived to survey the battle zone.
Without commenting at a news conference yesterday on the role of the Blackwater guards, Kimmitt described what he saw after the fighting ended. "I know on a rooftop yesterday in An Najaf, with a small group of American soldiers and coalition soldiers . . . who had just been through about 3 1/2 hours of combat, I looked in their eyes, there was no crisis.
"They knew what they were here for," he continued. "They'd lost three wounded. We were sitting there among the bullet shells -- the bullet casings -- and, frankly, the blood of their comrades, and they were absolutely confident."
During the defense of the authority headquarters, thousands of rounds were fired and hundreds of 40mm grenades shot. Sources who asked not to be identified because of the sensitivity of Blackwater's work in Iraq reported an unspecified number of casualties among Iraqis.
A spokesman for Blackwater confirmed that the company has a contract to provide security to the CPA but would not describe the incident that unfolded Sunday.
A Defense Department spokesman said that there were no military reports about the opening hours of the siege on CPA headquarters in Najaf because there were no military personnel on the scene. The Defense Department often does not have a clear handle on the daily actions of security contractors because the contractors work directly for the coalition authority, which coordinates and communicates on a limited basis through the normal military chain of command.
The four men brutally slain Wednesday in Fallujah were also Blackwater employees and were operating in the Sunni triangle area under more hazardous conditions -- unarmored cars with no apparent backup -- than the U.S. military or the CIA permit.
One senior Blackwater manager has described those killings to U.S. government officials as the result of a "high-quality" attack as skilled as one that can be mounted by U.S. Special Forces, according to a copy of a report on the incident obtained by The Washington Post.
The four victims of that attack, according to Blackwater spokesman Chris Bertelli, were escorting trucks carrying either food or kitchen equipment for Regency Hotel and Hospitality. Regency is a subcontractor to Eurest Support Services (ESS), a division of the Compass Group, the world's largest food service company.
ESS provides food services to more than a dozen U.S. military dining facilities in Iraq, according to news accounts.
Blackwater, a security and training company based in Moyock, N.C., prides itself on the high caliber of its personnel, many of whom are former U.S. Navy SEALs. It has 450 employees in Iraq, many of them providing security to CPA employees, including the U.S. administrator, L. Paul Bremer, and to VIPs visiting Iraq.
Blackwater has applied to occupy a former MIG air base near Baghdad as a counterterrorism training facility for Iraqi forces. The training range will mirror the 6,000-acre Moyock site, which is frequented by U.S. law enforcement and military personnel.
© 2004 The Washington Post Company</div></div>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Blogs of War</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
The 5-man Blackwater crew that was assigned to CPA Najaf were coming under heavy small arms and mortar fire, the city was being taken over by insurgents. The police stations and hospitals were taken over as well, after a day of fighting off hundreds of insurgents the city had been completely overrun, with the CPA in the heart of the city and no way out.
The Team called up to Baghdad and reported the situation, they said they needed immediate extract which Gen Sanchez also denied due to the fact the city had been overrun and there were no US troops there, only contractors.
Well, Ambassador Bremer was pissed at Sanchez and I remember being on office watch during the massive arguments! Ambassador Bremer and our Baghdad TM Leader got together and Bremer said ”I don’t want another Bridge hanging! Get those boys out of there by any means necessary!” so 12 of us — 6 pilots and 6 gunners loaded as much as we could in 3 MD530 little birds and headed 70 miles south. we flew in the first day and blind (no comms, and no intel on the heat) to try a resupply, land find out was going on and then head back, rearm and get ready to go again. Well that night all hell broke lose and we flew back in. Over 1000 insurgents (reported by the F18 pilots) had taken the city and now wanted the CPA after a day of intense fighting by 11 BW guys, airstrikes, a handful of Marines and 1 sniper we were able to hold them off. After it DIED down and gunships and SF guys finally started to roll in the battle was soon over and we the CPA was saved.
That’s pretty much it in a nut in a nutshell…</div></div> </div></div>
What you don't know is that two of the Blackwater guys involved in that were fired from their previous teams. One because he was incompetent dealing with the client, the other because he was randomly killing innocents.
How do I know? I was on one of those teams.
<span style="font-weight: bold">Those assholes never should have had a camera on in the first place.
Doing things like that do not credit you or whatever unit your in. They simply
show that you don't know rule number 2. Keep your mouth shut, if your in it for the
publicity you should choose another profession.</span> </div></div>
+1
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: YourMotherTrebek</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr. Phil</div><div class="ubbcode-body">FWIW,
That was Travis Haley in the video.
It was not staged…
That was not what would be considered normal operations.
It was a handful of BW guys and a couple Marines vs. the entire city of Najaf.
They did what they had to do in order to survive.
Read up on it…
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The Washington Post</div><div class="ubbcode-body">An attack by hundreds of Iraqi militia members on the U.S. government's headquarters in Najaf on Sunday was repulsed not by the U.S. military, but by eight commandos from a private security firm, according to sources familiar with the incident.
Before U.S. reinforcements could arrive, the firm, Blackwater Security Consulting, sent in its own helicopters amid an intense firefight to resupply its commandos with ammunition and to ferry out a wounded Marine, the sources said.
The role of Blackwater's commandos in Sunday's fighting in Najaf illuminates the gray zone between their formal role as bodyguards and the realities of operating in an active war zone. Thousands of armed private security contractors are operating in Iraq in a wide variety of missions and exchanging fire with Iraqis every day, according to informal after-action reports from several companies.
In Sunday's fighting, Shiite militia forces barraged the Blackwater commandos, four MPs and a Marine gunner with rocket-propelled grenades and AK-47 fire for hours before U.S. Special Forces troops arrived. A sniper on a nearby roof apparently wounded three men. U.S. troops faced heavy fighting in several Iraqi cities that day.
The Blackwater commandos, most of whom are former Special Forces troops, are on contract to provide security for the U.S.-led Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA) in Najaf.
With their ammunition nearly gone, a wounded and badly bleeding Marine on the rooftop, and no reinforcement by the U.S. military in the immediate offing, the company sent in helicopters to drop ammunition and pick up the Marine.
The identity of the Marine and two other wounded men could not be established, but their blood was still fresh hours later, when the top U.S. commander in Iraq, Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, and spokesman Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt arrived to survey the battle zone.
Without commenting at a news conference yesterday on the role of the Blackwater guards, Kimmitt described what he saw after the fighting ended. "I know on a rooftop yesterday in An Najaf, with a small group of American soldiers and coalition soldiers . . . who had just been through about 3 1/2 hours of combat, I looked in their eyes, there was no crisis.
"They knew what they were here for," he continued. "They'd lost three wounded. We were sitting there among the bullet shells -- the bullet casings -- and, frankly, the blood of their comrades, and they were absolutely confident."
During the defense of the authority headquarters, thousands of rounds were fired and hundreds of 40mm grenades shot. Sources who asked not to be identified because of the sensitivity of Blackwater's work in Iraq reported an unspecified number of casualties among Iraqis.
A spokesman for Blackwater confirmed that the company has a contract to provide security to the CPA but would not describe the incident that unfolded Sunday.
A Defense Department spokesman said that there were no military reports about the opening hours of the siege on CPA headquarters in Najaf because there were no military personnel on the scene. The Defense Department often does not have a clear handle on the daily actions of security contractors because the contractors work directly for the coalition authority, which coordinates and communicates on a limited basis through the normal military chain of command.
The four men brutally slain Wednesday in Fallujah were also Blackwater employees and were operating in the Sunni triangle area under more hazardous conditions -- unarmored cars with no apparent backup -- than the U.S. military or the CIA permit.
One senior Blackwater manager has described those killings to U.S. government officials as the result of a "high-quality" attack as skilled as one that can be mounted by U.S. Special Forces, according to a copy of a report on the incident obtained by The Washington Post.
The four victims of that attack, according to Blackwater spokesman Chris Bertelli, were escorting trucks carrying either food or kitchen equipment for Regency Hotel and Hospitality. Regency is a subcontractor to Eurest Support Services (ESS), a division of the Compass Group, the world's largest food service company.
ESS provides food services to more than a dozen U.S. military dining facilities in Iraq, according to news accounts.
Blackwater, a security and training company based in Moyock, N.C., prides itself on the high caliber of its personnel, many of whom are former U.S. Navy SEALs. It has 450 employees in Iraq, many of them providing security to CPA employees, including the U.S. administrator, L. Paul Bremer, and to VIPs visiting Iraq.
Blackwater has applied to occupy a former MIG air base near Baghdad as a counterterrorism training facility for Iraqi forces. The training range will mirror the 6,000-acre Moyock site, which is frequented by U.S. law enforcement and military personnel.
© 2004 The Washington Post Company</div></div>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Blogs of War</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
The 5-man Blackwater crew that was assigned to CPA Najaf were coming under heavy small arms and mortar fire, the city was being taken over by insurgents. The police stations and hospitals were taken over as well, after a day of fighting off hundreds of insurgents the city had been completely overrun, with the CPA in the heart of the city and no way out.
The Team called up to Baghdad and reported the situation, they said they needed immediate extract which Gen Sanchez also denied due to the fact the city had been overrun and there were no US troops there, only contractors.
Well, Ambassador Bremer was pissed at Sanchez and I remember being on office watch during the massive arguments! Ambassador Bremer and our Baghdad TM Leader got together and Bremer said ”I don’t want another Bridge hanging! Get those boys out of there by any means necessary!” so 12 of us — 6 pilots and 6 gunners loaded as much as we could in 3 MD530 little birds and headed 70 miles south. we flew in the first day and blind (no comms, and no intel on the heat) to try a resupply, land find out was going on and then head back, rearm and get ready to go again. Well that night all hell broke lose and we flew back in. Over 1000 insurgents (reported by the F18 pilots) had taken the city and now wanted the CPA after a day of intense fighting by 11 BW guys, airstrikes, a handful of Marines and 1 sniper we were able to hold them off. After it DIED down and gunships and SF guys finally started to roll in the battle was soon over and we the CPA was saved.
That’s pretty much it in a nut in a nutshell…</div></div> </div></div>
What you don't know is that two of the Blackwater guys involved in that were fired from their previous teams. One because he was incompetent dealing with the client, the other because he was randomly killing innocents.
How do I know? I was on one of those teams.
<span style="font-weight: bold">Those assholes never should have had a camera on in the first place.
Doing things like that do not credit you or whatever unit your in. They simply
show that you don't know rule number 2. Keep your mouth shut, if your in it for the
publicity you should choose another profession.</span> </div></div>
+1
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: YourMotherTrebek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Those assholes never should have had a camera on in the first place. Doing things like that do not credit you or whatever unit your in. They simply show that you don't know rule number 2. Keep your mouth shut, if your in it for the publicity you should choose another profession. </div></div>Agreed: Unprofessional and stupid. Neither of which are cool, except to teenage boys.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: YourMotherTrebek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Those assholes never should have had a camera on in the first place. Doing things like that do not credit you or whatever unit your in. They simply show that you don't know rule number 2. Keep your mouth shut, if your in it for the publicity you should choose another profession. </div></div>Agreed: Unprofessional and stupid. Neither of which are cool, except to teenage boys.
Re: blackwater sniper
negative ghost rider the pattern is full
negative ghost rider the pattern is full
Re: blackwater sniper
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: VJJPunisher</div><div class="ubbcode-body">negative ghost rider the pattern is full </div></div>"Damn!...[spills coffee] I hate that guy."
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: VJJPunisher</div><div class="ubbcode-body">negative ghost rider the pattern is full </div></div>"Damn!...[spills coffee] I hate that guy."
Re: blackwater sniper
If you join the marines like many of us have done at one point on here you will definitely experience some sort of combat. After that you probably will not want to do what backwater does...Its a dangerous game out there. And wont fully understand that till you see it for yourself. After seeing the link someone posted above about the mercenaries burned and hung i personally would love to go back and put a few more of those haji mother f***ers in the ground. The author of that article is a fricken idiot as well.
If you join the marines like many of us have done at one point on here you will definitely experience some sort of combat. After that you probably will not want to do what backwater does...Its a dangerous game out there. And wont fully understand that till you see it for yourself. After seeing the link someone posted above about the mercenaries burned and hung i personally would love to go back and put a few more of those haji mother f***ers in the ground. The author of that article is a fricken idiot as well.
Re: blackwater sniper
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WyldeWest</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...hung</div></div>Do you mean hanged?
Hanged is a bad thing. Hung, on the other hand,...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WyldeWest</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...hung</div></div>Do you mean hanged?
Hanged is a bad thing. Hung, on the other hand,...
Re: blackwater sniper
Go to uni.
Study nursing or similar health science course.
Be one of five or ten dudes in a course of 300+ chicks.
Party half the year, study the other half.
My life > Anyone's in the Mil.
Army/Marines will always be there, uni becomes exponentially harder with every year you leave it after high school.
Go to uni.
Study nursing or similar health science course.
Be one of five or ten dudes in a course of 300+ chicks.
Party half the year, study the other half.
My life > Anyone's in the Mil.
Army/Marines will always be there, uni becomes exponentially harder with every year you leave it after high school.
Re: blackwater sniper
But publicity is good if you want to push Glock parts!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWEnIJ3VUOQ
But publicity is good if you want to push Glock parts!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWEnIJ3VUOQ
Re: blackwater sniper
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WyldeWest</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you join the marines like many of us have done at one point on here you will definitely experience some sort of combat. After that you probably will not want to do what backwater does...Its a dangerous game out there. And wont fully understand that till you see it for yourself. After seeing the link someone posted above about the mercenaries burned and hung i personally would love to go back and put a few more of those haji mother f***ers in the ground. The author of that article is a fricken idiot as well. </div></div>
You should definitely speak for yourself. Because we are all not built the same way.
And get with the times son. That happened 8 years ago and your just now seeing it.
You were probably 12 when it happened. My bad.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WyldeWest</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you join the marines like many of us have done at one point on here you will definitely experience some sort of combat. After that you probably will not want to do what backwater does...Its a dangerous game out there. And wont fully understand that till you see it for yourself. After seeing the link someone posted above about the mercenaries burned and hung i personally would love to go back and put a few more of those haji mother f***ers in the ground. The author of that article is a fricken idiot as well. </div></div>
You should definitely speak for yourself. Because we are all not built the same way.
And get with the times son. That happened 8 years ago and your just now seeing it.
You were probably 12 when it happened. My bad.
Re: blackwater sniper
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Remoah</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Go to uni.
Study nursing or similar health science course.
Be one of five or ten dudes in a course of 300+ chicks.
Party half the year, study the other half.
My life > Anyone's in the Mil.
Army/Marines will always be there, uni becomes exponentially harder with every year you leave it after high school. </div></div>
fuck that, ive had enough "partying" in my life, time to move on to something more meaningful to me
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Remoah</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Go to uni.
Study nursing or similar health science course.
Be one of five or ten dudes in a course of 300+ chicks.
Party half the year, study the other half.
My life > Anyone's in the Mil.
Army/Marines will always be there, uni becomes exponentially harder with every year you leave it after high school. </div></div>
fuck that, ive had enough "partying" in my life, time to move on to something more meaningful to me
Re: blackwater sniper
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Remoah</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Go to uni.
Study nursing or similar health science course.
Be one of five or ten dudes in a course of 300+ chicks.
Party half the year, study the other half.
My life > Anyone's in the Mil.
Army/Marines will always be there, uni becomes exponentially harder with every year you leave it after high school. </div></div>
haha this guy.
Hey nurse. Women want to get fucked by a real man.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Remoah</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Go to uni.
Study nursing or similar health science course.
Be one of five or ten dudes in a course of 300+ chicks.
Party half the year, study the other half.
My life > Anyone's in the Mil.
Army/Marines will always be there, uni becomes exponentially harder with every year you leave it after high school. </div></div>
haha this guy.
Hey nurse. Women want to get fucked by a real man.
Re: blackwater sniper
I've done both (military and college).... Both have been beneficial in defining the person I have become.... However, my time in the service taught me more then my business degree.
Those that never served always say they should've but they had other opportunities.... And that is a copout.
Serve your country or support it... Don't be a fucking blade runner.
I've done both (military and college).... Both have been beneficial in defining the person I have become.... However, my time in the service taught me more then my business degree.
Those that never served always say they should've but they had other opportunities.... And that is a copout.
Serve your country or support it... Don't be a fucking blade runner.
Re: blackwater sniper
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: YourMotherTrebek</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Remoah</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Go to uni.
Study nursing or similar health science course.
Be one of five or ten dudes in a course of 300+ chicks.
Party half the year, study the other half.
My life > Anyone's in the Mil.
Army/Marines will always be there, uni becomes exponentially harder with every year you leave it after high school. </div></div>
Hey nurse. Women want to get fucked by a real man.
</div></div>
Haha... Funny thing is my wife is a nurse (RN).
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: YourMotherTrebek</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Remoah</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Go to uni.
Study nursing or similar health science course.
Be one of five or ten dudes in a course of 300+ chicks.
Party half the year, study the other half.
My life > Anyone's in the Mil.
Army/Marines will always be there, uni becomes exponentially harder with every year you leave it after high school. </div></div>
Hey nurse. Women want to get fucked by a real man.
</div></div>
Haha... Funny thing is my wife is a nurse (RN).
Re: blackwater sniper
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: K_4c</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've done both (military and college).... Both have been beneficial in defining the person I have become.... However, my time in the service taught me more then my business degree.
Those that never served always say they should've but they had other opportunities.... And that is a copout.
Serve your country or support it... Don't be a fucking blade runner.
</div></div>
AMAN.......
bill larson
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: K_4c</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've done both (military and college).... Both have been beneficial in defining the person I have become.... However, my time in the service taught me more then my business degree.
Those that never served always say they should've but they had other opportunities.... And that is a copout.
Serve your country or support it... Don't be a fucking blade runner.
</div></div>
AMAN.......
bill larson
Re: blackwater sniper
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: K_4c</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> However, my time in the service taught me more then my <span style="font-weight: bold">business</span> degree.
</div></div>
This is not uncommon with Business and Liberal Arts degrees.
Those of us with degrees in the Physical/Applied Sciences regularly consider Business and Liberal Arts degrees to be the cop-out in a society that has become regularly defined by someone's 4-year paper status.
At the very least with your military service time you've learned what hard work and discipline mean and how to benefit from it, much less can be said for those whom only hold BSBA/BSLA degrees.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: K_4c</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> However, my time in the service taught me more then my <span style="font-weight: bold">business</span> degree.
</div></div>
This is not uncommon with Business and Liberal Arts degrees.
Those of us with degrees in the Physical/Applied Sciences regularly consider Business and Liberal Arts degrees to be the cop-out in a society that has become regularly defined by someone's 4-year paper status.
At the very least with your military service time you've learned what hard work and discipline mean and how to benefit from it, much less can be said for those whom only hold BSBA/BSLA degrees.
Re: blackwater sniper
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bohem</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: K_4c</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> However, my time in the service taught me more then my <span style="font-weight: bold">business</span> degree.
</div></div>
This is not uncommon with Business and Liberal Arts degrees.
Those of us with degrees in the Physical/Applied Sciences regularly consider Business and Liberal Arts degrees to be the cop-out in a society that has become regularly defined by someone's 4-year paper status.
At the very least with your military service time you've learned what hard work and discipline mean and how to benefit from it, much less can be said for those whom only hold BSBA/BSLA degrees.
</div></div>
Thanks for down grading my accomplishments...
And yes that was my point in regards to my time in the service.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bohem</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: K_4c</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> However, my time in the service taught me more then my <span style="font-weight: bold">business</span> degree.
</div></div>
This is not uncommon with Business and Liberal Arts degrees.
Those of us with degrees in the Physical/Applied Sciences regularly consider Business and Liberal Arts degrees to be the cop-out in a society that has become regularly defined by someone's 4-year paper status.
At the very least with your military service time you've learned what hard work and discipline mean and how to benefit from it, much less can be said for those whom only hold BSBA/BSLA degrees.
</div></div>
Thanks for down grading my accomplishments...
And yes that was my point in regards to my time in the service.
Re: blackwater sniper
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: K_4c</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bohem</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: K_4c</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> However, my time in the service taught me more then my <span style="font-weight: bold">business</span> degree.
</div></div>
This is not uncommon with Business and Liberal Arts degrees.
Those of us with degrees in the Physical/Applied Sciences regularly consider Business and Liberal Arts degrees to be the cop-out in a society that has become regularly defined by someone's 4-year paper status.
At the very least with your military service time you've learned what hard work and discipline mean and how to benefit from it, much less can be said for those whom only hold BSBA/BSLA degrees.
</div></div>
Thanks for down grading my accomplishments dick....
And yes that was my point in regards to my time in the service. </div></div>
Glad I could help. My point was entirely that a piece of paper that says someone went to college doesn't mean they can actually do anything useful.
Like the suggestion to go to nursing school so you can party and chase tail. There were a lot of people in college that had that same mentality and would snicker at the Engineering, Physics, and Chemistry students that were studying hard every night while they partied. 4 years of "Uni" isn't the end of the road, it's the beginning of the journey but what you do there can certainly dictate how successful someone is for the next 20 years after that.
Your time in service was in no way under scrutiny by me, thank you for it.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: K_4c</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bohem</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: K_4c</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> However, my time in the service taught me more then my <span style="font-weight: bold">business</span> degree.
</div></div>
This is not uncommon with Business and Liberal Arts degrees.
Those of us with degrees in the Physical/Applied Sciences regularly consider Business and Liberal Arts degrees to be the cop-out in a society that has become regularly defined by someone's 4-year paper status.
At the very least with your military service time you've learned what hard work and discipline mean and how to benefit from it, much less can be said for those whom only hold BSBA/BSLA degrees.
</div></div>
Thanks for down grading my accomplishments dick....
And yes that was my point in regards to my time in the service. </div></div>
Glad I could help. My point was entirely that a piece of paper that says someone went to college doesn't mean they can actually do anything useful.
Like the suggestion to go to nursing school so you can party and chase tail. There were a lot of people in college that had that same mentality and would snicker at the Engineering, Physics, and Chemistry students that were studying hard every night while they partied. 4 years of "Uni" isn't the end of the road, it's the beginning of the journey but what you do there can certainly dictate how successful someone is for the next 20 years after that.
Your time in service was in no way under scrutiny by me, thank you for it.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: K_4c</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Must be an engineer.... Good for you.</div></div>
Sounds to me like hes really full of himself and his "accomplishments."
What he needs to realise is that everyones life is diffrent....paths they take, skills they are born with.
My father for instance has a PHD in mathamatics and a mechanical engineering degree, worked for NASA, blah blah blah blah blah.
I joined the army with a ranger contract straight out of highschool went through basic, airborne school, ranger school, sniper school 4 deployments blah blah blah blah blah.
Diffrent strokes for diffrent folks.
Just because you went and got a physics degree after you got out of the military woopdeedoo give yourself a gold star and a pat on the back. Some could see getting out of the military as a cop-out. Some could even see just going to a regular unit as a cop-out instead of going into special operations.
Everyone is diffrent. My father is a nerd and could never have made it in the ranger regiment. I hate math and science and would never want to work in a cubical in a suit and tie all day long.
Think before you type, you can end up looking like an asshole.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: K_4c</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Must be an engineer.... Good for you.</div></div>
Sounds to me like hes really full of himself and his "accomplishments."
What he needs to realise is that everyones life is diffrent....paths they take, skills they are born with.
My father for instance has a PHD in mathamatics and a mechanical engineering degree, worked for NASA, blah blah blah blah blah.
I joined the army with a ranger contract straight out of highschool went through basic, airborne school, ranger school, sniper school 4 deployments blah blah blah blah blah.
Diffrent strokes for diffrent folks.
Just because you went and got a physics degree after you got out of the military woopdeedoo give yourself a gold star and a pat on the back. Some could see getting out of the military as a cop-out. Some could even see just going to a regular unit as a cop-out instead of going into special operations.
Everyone is diffrent. My father is a nerd and could never have made it in the ranger regiment. I hate math and science and would never want to work in a cubical in a suit and tie all day long.
Think before you type, you can end up looking like an asshole.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WildBill3/75</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: K_4c</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Must be an engineer.... Good for you.</div></div>
Sounds to me like hes really full of himself and his "accomplishments."
What he needs to realise is that everyones life is diffrent....paths they take, skills they are born with.
My father for instance has a PHD in mathamatics and a mechanical engineering degree, worked for NASA, blah blah blah blah blah.
I joined the army with a ranger contract straight out of highschool went through basic, airborne school, ranger school, sniper school 4 deployments blah blah blah blah blah.
Diffrent strokes for diffrent folks.
Just because you went and got a physics degree after you got out of the military woopdeedoo give yourself a gold star and a pat on the back. Some could see getting out of the military as a cop-out. Some could even see just going to a regular unit as a cop-out instead of going into special operations.
Everyone is diffrent. My father is a nerd and could never have made it in the ranger regiment. I hate math and science and would never want to work in a cubical in a suit and tie all day long.
Think before you type, you can end up looking like an asshole. </div></div>
That was not my intention... I was simply stating that I'm proud of my time in the service and college just felt like a "check in the box"... I certainly did not mean to come off conceded and apologize if that was the case.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WildBill3/75</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: K_4c</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Must be an engineer.... Good for you.</div></div>
Sounds to me like hes really full of himself and his "accomplishments."
What he needs to realise is that everyones life is diffrent....paths they take, skills they are born with.
My father for instance has a PHD in mathamatics and a mechanical engineering degree, worked for NASA, blah blah blah blah blah.
I joined the army with a ranger contract straight out of highschool went through basic, airborne school, ranger school, sniper school 4 deployments blah blah blah blah blah.
Diffrent strokes for diffrent folks.
Just because you went and got a physics degree after you got out of the military woopdeedoo give yourself a gold star and a pat on the back. Some could see getting out of the military as a cop-out. Some could even see just going to a regular unit as a cop-out instead of going into special operations.
Everyone is diffrent. My father is a nerd and could never have made it in the ranger regiment. I hate math and science and would never want to work in a cubical in a suit and tie all day long.
Think before you type, you can end up looking like an asshole. </div></div>
That was not my intention... I was simply stating that I'm proud of my time in the service and college just felt like a "check in the box"... I certainly did not mean to come off conceded and apologize if that was the case.
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How about this thread gets back on track.
I was in the service. And I'm currently in college. And I don't think the two are related at all. Two totally different experiences.
How about this thread gets back on track.
I was in the service. And I'm currently in college. And I don't think the two are related at all. Two totally different experiences.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: YourMotherTrebek</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WyldeWest</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you join the marines like many of us have done at one point on here you will definitely experience some sort of combat. After that you probably will not want to do what backwater does...Its a dangerous game out there. And wont fully understand that till you see it for yourself. After seeing the link someone posted above about the mercenaries burned and hung i personally would love to go back and put a few more of those haji mother f***ers in the ground. The author of that article is a fricken idiot as well. </div></div>
You should definitely speak for yourself. Because we are all not built the same way.
And get with the times son. That happened 8 years ago and your just now seeing it.
You were probably 12 when it happened. My bad. </div></div>
I was speaking for myself and a big majority of the people i know is all. 12?? not amused bro..
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: YourMotherTrebek</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WyldeWest</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you join the marines like many of us have done at one point on here you will definitely experience some sort of combat. After that you probably will not want to do what backwater does...Its a dangerous game out there. And wont fully understand that till you see it for yourself. After seeing the link someone posted above about the mercenaries burned and hung i personally would love to go back and put a few more of those haji mother f***ers in the ground. The author of that article is a fricken idiot as well. </div></div>
You should definitely speak for yourself. Because we are all not built the same way.
And get with the times son. That happened 8 years ago and your just now seeing it.
You were probably 12 when it happened. My bad. </div></div>
I was speaking for myself and a big majority of the people i know is all. 12?? not amused bro..
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Bullitz,
No matter how many people tell you how many times, how vividly the displeasure, and acute realness of being in the military/being deployed is, you will not believe it, or it won't sink in before you enlist.
So to that end, join up, see what it's all about, and learn from it. Maybe you'll like it and are a lifer-to-be. Maybe you're like everyone else, counting down days til the magical EAS.
The main point is LEARN from it, just like everything else in life, or it will be a waste of time.
Bullitz,
No matter how many people tell you how many times, how vividly the displeasure, and acute realness of being in the military/being deployed is, you will not believe it, or it won't sink in before you enlist.
So to that end, join up, see what it's all about, and learn from it. Maybe you'll like it and are a lifer-to-be. Maybe you're like everyone else, counting down days til the magical EAS.
The main point is LEARN from it, just like everything else in life, or it will be a waste of time.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bohem</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: K_4c</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> However, my time in the service taught me more then my <span style="font-weight: bold">business</span> degree.
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This is not uncommon with Business and Liberal Arts degrees.
Those of us with degrees in the Physical/Applied Sciences regularly consider Business and Liberal Arts degrees to be the cop-out in a society that has become regularly defined by someone's 4-year paper status.
At the very least with your military service time you've learned what hard work and discipline mean and how to benefit from it, much less can be said for those whom only hold BSBA/BSLA degrees.
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Strong words... incompetent ones, but strong.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bohem</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: K_4c</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> However, my time in the service taught me more then my <span style="font-weight: bold">business</span> degree.
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This is not uncommon with Business and Liberal Arts degrees.
Those of us with degrees in the Physical/Applied Sciences regularly consider Business and Liberal Arts degrees to be the cop-out in a society that has become regularly defined by someone's 4-year paper status.
At the very least with your military service time you've learned what hard work and discipline mean and how to benefit from it, much less can be said for those whom only hold BSBA/BSLA degrees.
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Strong words... incompetent ones, but strong.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: YourMotherTrebek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hey nurse. Women want to get fucked by a real man.</div></div>LOL! Of course you correctly imply that it all depends on the woman.
My women friends tell me that they want to get fucked by a real man, but they go on to define 'real' men as successful, educated, articluate, kind, rich and funny.
I don't know if they are lying, but I've met more women in search of security and protection at art galleries than in free-fire zones.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: YourMotherTrebek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hey nurse. Women want to get fucked by a real man.</div></div>LOL! Of course you correctly imply that it all depends on the woman.
My women friends tell me that they want to get fucked by a real man, but they go on to define 'real' men as successful, educated, articluate, kind, rich and funny.
I don't know if they are lying, but I've met more women in search of security and protection at art galleries than in free-fire zones.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: K_4c</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: YourMotherTrebek</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Remoah</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Go to uni.
Study nursing or similar health science course.
Be one of five or ten dudes in a course of 300+ chicks.
Party half the year, study the other half.
My life > Anyone's in the Mil.
Army/Marines will always be there, uni becomes exponentially harder with every year you leave it after high school. </div></div>
Hey nurse. Women want to get fucked by a real man.
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Haha... Funny thing is my wife is a nurse (RN).
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Paramedic actually, hell i ain't wiping down gomers for a living
And no disrespect to the Mil, many a mate of mine has gone on to serve and i've got much respect for you guys. A fair few of them however still wish they'd gone for the easy party life before enlisting.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: K_4c</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: YourMotherTrebek</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Remoah</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Go to uni.
Study nursing or similar health science course.
Be one of five or ten dudes in a course of 300+ chicks.
Party half the year, study the other half.
My life > Anyone's in the Mil.
Army/Marines will always be there, uni becomes exponentially harder with every year you leave it after high school. </div></div>
Hey nurse. Women want to get fucked by a real man.
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Haha... Funny thing is my wife is a nurse (RN).
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Paramedic actually, hell i ain't wiping down gomers for a living
And no disrespect to the Mil, many a mate of mine has gone on to serve and i've got much respect for you guys. A fair few of them however still wish they'd gone for the easy party life before enlisting.
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There was this one time, at Army Camp...
Seriously though, he's young what do you expect? Who at 15-17 didn't want to be "High Speed". Hell my 6yr old wants to be a sniper after taking him to the range and helping him blast away on my AR-15. I am not gonna sit there and bash him for it.
There was this one time, at Army Camp...
Seriously though, he's young what do you expect? Who at 15-17 didn't want to be "High Speed". Hell my 6yr old wants to be a sniper after taking him to the range and helping him blast away on my AR-15. I am not gonna sit there and bash him for it.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bohem</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Like the suggestion to go to nursing school so you can party and chase tail. There were a lot of people in college that had that same mentality and would snicker at the Engineering, Physics, and Chemistry students that were studying hard every night while they partied. 4 years of "Uni" isn't the end of the road, it's the beginning of the journey but what you do there can certainly dictate how successful someone is for the next 20 years after that.
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There are still a lot of people college with that mentality (majority i would say) They all still snicker too. Definitely a funny sight when you get to watch someone get a reality check and the expression on their face screams "oh shit"
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bohem</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Like the suggestion to go to nursing school so you can party and chase tail. There were a lot of people in college that had that same mentality and would snicker at the Engineering, Physics, and Chemistry students that were studying hard every night while they partied. 4 years of "Uni" isn't the end of the road, it's the beginning of the journey but what you do there can certainly dictate how successful someone is for the next 20 years after that.
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There are still a lot of people college with that mentality (majority i would say) They all still snicker too. Definitely a funny sight when you get to watch someone get a reality check and the expression on their face screams "oh shit"
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Why is eveyone knocking a kid who aspires to serve his country?
What kid isn't excited by the prospect of serving?
Isn't that the reaction that every recruitment film you ever saw is designed to ellicit?
As to his suitability...isn't that for the recruitment and training staff to decide?
He is only guilty of naive enthusiasm.
Maybe it would be more helpful to point out the inherent risks and possible long-term psychological impact of combat so he can make a more informed, less rose-tinted decision about his future?
You should be grateful that your country still inspires young people to take up arms to defend it's freedoms and security.
Why is eveyone knocking a kid who aspires to serve his country?
What kid isn't excited by the prospect of serving?
Isn't that the reaction that every recruitment film you ever saw is designed to ellicit?
As to his suitability...isn't that for the recruitment and training staff to decide?
He is only guilty of naive enthusiasm.
Maybe it would be more helpful to point out the inherent risks and possible long-term psychological impact of combat so he can make a more informed, less rose-tinted decision about his future?
You should be grateful that your country still inspires young people to take up arms to defend it's freedoms and security.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BasraBoy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why is eveyone knocking a kid who aspires to serve his country?
What kid isn't excited by the prospect of serving?
Isn't that the reaction that every recruitment film you ever saw is designed to ellicit?
As to his suitability...isn't that for the recruitment and training staff to decide?
He is only guilty of naive enthusiasm.
Maybe it would be more helpful to point out the inherent risks and possible long-term psychological impact of combat so he can make a more informed, less rose-tinted decision about his future?
You should be grateful that your country still inspires young people to take up arms to defend it's freedoms and security.</div></div>
AMEN... granted the kids annoy me... but at least they want to serve
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BasraBoy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why is eveyone knocking a kid who aspires to serve his country?
What kid isn't excited by the prospect of serving?
Isn't that the reaction that every recruitment film you ever saw is designed to ellicit?
As to his suitability...isn't that for the recruitment and training staff to decide?
He is only guilty of naive enthusiasm.
Maybe it would be more helpful to point out the inherent risks and possible long-term psychological impact of combat so he can make a more informed, less rose-tinted decision about his future?
You should be grateful that your country still inspires young people to take up arms to defend it's freedoms and security.</div></div>
AMEN... granted the kids annoy me... but at least they want to serve
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After recently deciding whether to enlist or go to school, I would suggest thinking about what the guys who have been there are saying. If you have the opportunity to go to school take it. It's not necessarily about what you study but about being on your own (if you aren't already independent from your parents) and having to figure out how the world works and how to get things done. There are a lot of absolute idiots going to college right now that should really just become plumbers and not be conceited about knowing french cinema while taking ecstasy on Saturdays. Not trying to insult, but some of what you say tends towards fantasy and glamor. I would like to be a Navy NECC armourer, and that may happen down the road, it's a great job. College might help you figure out what you really want in life. If not, the Corps is a good way to go. You could take the GI bill after, which is a great way to go. The best engineering student I've meet is a Marine on the same plan, and while he doesn't have the absurd test scores, research fellowships, national merit awards and other accolades some of the other students have, his experience has made him into a highly capable person who knows how to plainly find a way to do what needs to be done, and won't quit. The people on here are really only trying to help you. Think about what they are saying. Best of luck.
After recently deciding whether to enlist or go to school, I would suggest thinking about what the guys who have been there are saying. If you have the opportunity to go to school take it. It's not necessarily about what you study but about being on your own (if you aren't already independent from your parents) and having to figure out how the world works and how to get things done. There are a lot of absolute idiots going to college right now that should really just become plumbers and not be conceited about knowing french cinema while taking ecstasy on Saturdays. Not trying to insult, but some of what you say tends towards fantasy and glamor. I would like to be a Navy NECC armourer, and that may happen down the road, it's a great job. College might help you figure out what you really want in life. If not, the Corps is a good way to go. You could take the GI bill after, which is a great way to go. The best engineering student I've meet is a Marine on the same plan, and while he doesn't have the absurd test scores, research fellowships, national merit awards and other accolades some of the other students have, his experience has made him into a highly capable person who knows how to plainly find a way to do what needs to be done, and won't quit. The people on here are really only trying to help you. Think about what they are saying. Best of luck.
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OP, keep in mind that it is no longer the Corps of 2004: That things are winding down in a very big way and that the Marines are not the best funded even in the best of times. That means you are considering joining an organization that will have less and less opportunity as you grow.
The Army is bloated, and top-heavy with junior officers short on experience. And the Air Force doesn't give its best jobs to those at the bottom of its food chain who who have no skills, training or education.
OP, keep in mind that it is no longer the Corps of 2004: That things are winding down in a very big way and that the Marines are not the best funded even in the best of times. That means you are considering joining an organization that will have less and less opportunity as you grow.
The Army is bloated, and top-heavy with junior officers short on experience. And the Air Force doesn't give its best jobs to those at the bottom of its food chain who who have no skills, training or education.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rideHPD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There are a lot of absolute idiots going to college right now that should really just become plumbers and not be conceited about knowing french cinema while taking ecstasy on Saturdays. </div></div>
This is the result of our education system. We could actually use some plumbers/tradesmen and the ones I know make great money. Problem is right now our schools produce crappy plumbers and useless college grads. The emphasis on college is taking good prospects out of the trade stream and watering down the college standards.
The elites think the only way to be succesful in our society is with a pedigree but they are to blind to realize that the world is a much nicer place with working plumbing and electricity. The world will run just as well without the professors but we will be back in the dark ages without skilled trades people.
Entering the mil at 18 - USMC 0351, I skipped school to join on my 18th bday because my parents wouldnt sign off earlier. When I saw my recruiter had put me in a combat arms MOS field - tanks, tracks, inf, etc. I refused to go unless guaranteed Infantry - naive not much unlike what motivates the OP - this sharply focused my attention on what you need to be a functional human being. I hated that enlistment but it has paid huge dividends. All my pers that went to college straight out of high school had the crappy grades to show for it and I realized what mattered about being there. I joined in 1986 and the world was a much safer place though we didnt realize that at the time. I give any kid that enlists today their due but like me you will learn that there is little glamour - you will get this lesson in spades compared to my service.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rideHPD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There are a lot of absolute idiots going to college right now that should really just become plumbers and not be conceited about knowing french cinema while taking ecstasy on Saturdays. </div></div>
This is the result of our education system. We could actually use some plumbers/tradesmen and the ones I know make great money. Problem is right now our schools produce crappy plumbers and useless college grads. The emphasis on college is taking good prospects out of the trade stream and watering down the college standards.
The elites think the only way to be succesful in our society is with a pedigree but they are to blind to realize that the world is a much nicer place with working plumbing and electricity. The world will run just as well without the professors but we will be back in the dark ages without skilled trades people.
Entering the mil at 18 - USMC 0351, I skipped school to join on my 18th bday because my parents wouldnt sign off earlier. When I saw my recruiter had put me in a combat arms MOS field - tanks, tracks, inf, etc. I refused to go unless guaranteed Infantry - naive not much unlike what motivates the OP - this sharply focused my attention on what you need to be a functional human being. I hated that enlistment but it has paid huge dividends. All my pers that went to college straight out of high school had the crappy grades to show for it and I realized what mattered about being there. I joined in 1986 and the world was a much safer place though we didnt realize that at the time. I give any kid that enlists today their due but like me you will learn that there is little glamour - you will get this lesson in spades compared to my service.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bullitz</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Remoah</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
My life > Anyone's in the Mil.
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and doubtful </div></div>
Dude, you have zero idea what you are talking about. You're just a dumbass kid who saw Full Metal Jacket once. For all you know that guy could be a veteran who went through med school after his service.
Want to sign up? You're 18, aren't you? March your ass down to the office and put some ink on paper. Too skinny? Too fat? Can't run or do push-ups? You'll learn how in boot camp that's what PT is for.
As an aside I just sold a house to a guy and gal who are nurses specializing in pediactrics. They make 70k a year working with sick children. Is that bad pay for a meaningless job?
Oh yeah both of them are in their mid to late 20's. Where do you want to be by then is what you should be asking yourself...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bullitz</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Remoah</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
My life > Anyone's in the Mil.
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and doubtful </div></div>
Dude, you have zero idea what you are talking about. You're just a dumbass kid who saw Full Metal Jacket once. For all you know that guy could be a veteran who went through med school after his service.
Want to sign up? You're 18, aren't you? March your ass down to the office and put some ink on paper. Too skinny? Too fat? Can't run or do push-ups? You'll learn how in boot camp that's what PT is for.
As an aside I just sold a house to a guy and gal who are nurses specializing in pediactrics. They make 70k a year working with sick children. Is that bad pay for a meaningless job?
Oh yeah both of them are in their mid to late 20's. Where do you want to be by then is what you should be asking yourself...
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rideHPD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">. There are a lot of absolute idiots going to college right now that should really just become plumbers </div></div>
One of the top 3 wealthiest people I know personally started his own plumbing business....
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rideHPD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">. There are a lot of absolute idiots going to college right now that should really just become plumbers </div></div>
One of the top 3 wealthiest people I know personally started his own plumbing business....
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lawofsavage</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rideHPD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">. There are a lot of absolute idiots going to college right now that should really just become plumbers </div></div>
One of the top 3 wealthiest people I know personally started his own plumbing business.... </div></div>
Same, also know a wealthy carpet guy.
It's not just the job though...it's the person behind it. Their work ethic and capacity for risk-taking.
Not everyone has the balls to take out loans on everything they own to start a new business for example. That sort of thing takes heart.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lawofsavage</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rideHPD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">. There are a lot of absolute idiots going to college right now that should really just become plumbers </div></div>
One of the top 3 wealthiest people I know personally started his own plumbing business.... </div></div>
Same, also know a wealthy carpet guy.
It's not just the job though...it's the person behind it. Their work ethic and capacity for risk-taking.
Not everyone has the balls to take out loans on everything they own to start a new business for example. That sort of thing takes heart.
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Steve Jobs
Bill Gates
Mark Zuckerburg
Larry Ellison
Michael Dell
John D Rockefeller
Howard Hughes
Ted Turner
Ralph Lauren
Just to name a few. What do all these people have in common?
They're all Billionaire College Drop-Outs! A degree is useless without drive, determination, and innovation. I'm not saying that going to College and getting a degree is a bad idea, but school does not guarantee a ">" life.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BCP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It's not just the job though...it's the person behind it. Their work ethic and capacity for risk-taking.
Not everyone has the balls to take out loans on everything they own to start a new business for example. That sort of thing takes heart. </div></div>
+1 Billion
Steve Jobs
Bill Gates
Mark Zuckerburg
Larry Ellison
Michael Dell
John D Rockefeller
Howard Hughes
Ted Turner
Ralph Lauren
Just to name a few. What do all these people have in common?
They're all Billionaire College Drop-Outs! A degree is useless without drive, determination, and innovation. I'm not saying that going to College and getting a degree is a bad idea, but school does not guarantee a ">" life.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BCP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It's not just the job though...it's the person behind it. Their work ethic and capacity for risk-taking.
Not everyone has the balls to take out loans on everything they own to start a new business for example. That sort of thing takes heart. </div></div>
+1 Billion
