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Blown primers on a Savage 110BA 300WM

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A buddy of mine just purchased a new Savage 110BA in 300WM, and experienced a problem I hadn't thought possible with a belted magnum and lived! Also, we DID take precautions in developing this load. We started with his new out of the box, cleaned, Savage, at the range and worked up increasing loads, (yes, we reloaded at the range). We stepped up charges of H1000 from 74 to 77gr, with Fed 215M primers, with sorted and prep'd RWS cases, 210gr Berger VLDs all seated 0.010 off the lands. We checked for signs of over pressure and chronographed each shot. All sizing was performed with a 300WM Lee collet die. We found the 76gr had a nice 2860fps velocity with no signs of over pressure, although none of the loads were over pressure. We then loaded up multiple rounds at 0.010 into the lands, 0.010, 0.030, 0.050, 0.070, 0.090, and 0.110 off the lands to find the "sweet" spot for the VLDs. The 0.010 into and 0.010 off the lands seemed to be the best (although neither was any better than 1.0 MOA). We then attempted the ladder test with all rounds loaded at 0.004 off the lands (this has historically been my magic jump), with 75.2, 75.6, 76.0, 76.4, 76.8gr to see if we could find a sweet spot. The 76.4 seemed the most likely, although it still didn't group any better then 0.75MOA. So now we are out of time, and there is a Long Range Precision Rifle match the following week. We are not super excited about any of the loads. The 76.4 seemed the best, but had a Standard Deviation of 30fps...which is huge for the effort we put into hand weighing each charge to 0.05gr. The Lee Collet die that we were using squeezes the case neck against a mandrel. As a result the brass is forever attempting to rebound outward away from the bullet. I hypothesized that inconsistent neck tension caused the large velocity Standard Deviations we observed. I lent my buddy my Redding 300WM neck only die which utilizes a button to expand the neck outward. The brass would forever rebound in toward the bullet, and he should experience the single digit velocity Standard Deviations that I enjoy. Time for the match. Actually 1 hr prior to the match. We zero his gun at 100yrds, and determine the scope setting for 600yrds. We will then use a computer to predict the scope MOA setting for each of the match distances. Not ideal, but good enough for the time we have. Well, we are shocked that his groups at 600yrd are AWESOME! They are 2" at 600yrds! or .3 MOA! His gun has no problem cycling the rounds. The SD is 8fps... although I am later informed the velocities average 3020fps! (for a 210gr bullet)
Anyway, he does very well for the first quarter of the match, and then his gun jams with a primer that has fallen out of the primer pocket and wedges the next round. We decide that it is best to stop shooting. Anyway, this story is getting long...I have NEVER heard of a belted magnum that pushed a primer out. All of his cases showed significant signs of over pressure with cratered primers, the extractor pin embossed into the base of the case, and very flattened primers. This is with the exact same cases, powder, charge, primer, bullet, and seating depth that shot 160fps slower the week before. The only difference was the neck-only sizing die that squeezed in...vs..drawing an expander ball out. Anyway, my buddy is starting back at square one with with his health, and a new Redding die. Also, if someone could walk me through the steps that allow a new bolt action rifle with a belted magnum to push a primer out, I'd greatly appreciate it.

Thanks
DaveS
 
Re: Blown primers on a Savage 110BA 300WM

I don't see how the belt has much to do with it. Overpressure is going to expand the casehead and allow tge primer to fall out. Sure, the belt provides the casehead with a little extra hoop strength, but it's just brass, and brass is weak.

To me, this sounds like simple classic overpressure.

Cause?

Hell, could be lots of things - but if you just *know* the only change was in how the neck was sized, I'd suggest you look into that. Higher neck tension will cause higher pressure, and often higher velocity.

Easy mistake to make, but y'all probably ought not have changed loading procedure without working the load back up. I'm guilty myself of similar, I guess I just haven't been bit yet. I'll keep this in mind!
 
Re: Blown primers on a Savage 110BA 300WM

Was there a significant temp difference between the day you worked up the load and the day he blew the primer? I'm not very familiar with H1000's temp sensitivity but others are and can weigh in on whether or not that may be a factor.
 
Re: Blown primers on a Savage 110BA 300WM

I would check the brass case length to see if it stretched out too long. The use of an expander ball is known to stretch cases. I would also check neck clearance. If there are any left over rounds I would pull one and check the powder charge.
 
Re: Blown primers on a Savage 110BA 300WM

I would be the owner of the blown Primers... DOH!

Temperature was roughly the same, maybe a little colder the day the 2 primers fell out. H1000 is one of Hogden's Extreme Line powders and is supposed to be more temperature stable than regular powders.
 
Re: Blown primers on a Savage 110BA 300WM

I've measured the cases. A new case without the ball extractor necksizing done runs 2.610". After necksing and shooting, the brass with the primers missing run 2.617"-2.619". I have left over unfired rounds, I'll measure powder charge again, but going to say it will be dead on at the 76.6gr I loaded for. Thanks. W.
 
Re: Blown primers on a Savage 110BA 300WM

What was the temp and humi on the day of the match compared to the day of testing loads?
Sounds like your powder charges may have been a little high.
 
Re: Blown primers on a Savage 110BA 300WM

I think you guys were on the edge of OP and didn't know it, but only after use of the Redding die. But if that load is that nice a 600 then stick with it. Just come off the charge a little, Turn the neck a little and see what happens. Also try a little better brand of brass, Nosler or Norma. Good Luck.
 
Re: Blown primers on a Savage 110BA 300WM

What I'm hoping to pass along is:
1) Even if EVERYTHING else is identical it makes a HUGE difference between cartridges that have been sized with a collet die (one that presses the neck in toward the bullet) and a ball expander (one that pushes the neck out). Even if the re-sized neck diameters with the (2) different dies were initially exactly the same (I checked) IT IS THIS DIFFERENCE IN NECK TENSION THAT CAUSED A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE IN CHAMBER PRESSURE. SO MUCH SO THAT IT BY ITSELF CONTRIBUTED TO 160FPS DIFFERENCE IN VELOCITY, AND SIGNIFICANT OVER PRESSURE INDICATIONS.
ps What! no mention of Lapua? If one takes the time to look, one will find that RWS brass is ranked as high or higher than Nosler, Norma and even Lapua.