Gunsmithing Bolt truing?????
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AZPrecision</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Man why did I go to gunsmithing school??? I have Snipers Hide!!! </div></div>
i have certainly learned a lot here. even if i have come up with some of my own ideas, they were probably bred from ideas found here.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AZPrecision</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Man why did I go to gunsmithing school??? I have Snipers Hide!!! </div></div>
i have certainly learned a lot here. even if i have come up with some of my own ideas, they were probably bred from ideas found here.
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Our instructors ideas of an accurate rifle are minute of elk.
Most of the smiths on the Hide have much higher expectations of what an accurate rifle should be then whats being taught here.
They're teaching us to make some pretty walnut stocks though....
Our instructors ideas of an accurate rifle are minute of elk.
Most of the smiths on the Hide have much higher expectations of what an accurate rifle should be then whats being taught here.
They're teaching us to make some pretty walnut stocks though....
Re: Bolt truing?????
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 300sniper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">great idea on the fixture
edit: i have the material but just have not gotten around to it yet. i plan on making a direct d1-4 spindle mount action/bolt truing jig that is safer and more rigid than this setup.
one more thing i have found this setup to also be handy for was precision threading muzzles on short barrels, such as a 12" 10/22 barrel for a suppressor. it works the same way as doing a barrel though the headstock. </div></div>Do you actually do the cutting with the bolt hanging that far out of the fixture?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 300sniper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">great idea on the fixture
edit: i have the material but just have not gotten around to it yet. i plan on making a direct d1-4 spindle mount action/bolt truing jig that is safer and more rigid than this setup.
one more thing i have found this setup to also be handy for was precision threading muzzles on short barrels, such as a 12" 10/22 barrel for a suppressor. it works the same way as doing a barrel though the headstock. </div></div>Do you actually do the cutting with the bolt hanging that far out of the fixture?
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: steelcomp</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Do you actually do the cutting with the bolt hanging that far out of the fixture? </div></div>
yep. i know it is not an ideal set-up as far as rigidity goes but the cuts are very light. in my opinion, this is the best way to ensure the bolt body, lugs, bolt nose and bolt face are all true since it is all done in one set-up.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: steelcomp</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Do you actually do the cutting with the bolt hanging that far out of the fixture? </div></div>
yep. i know it is not an ideal set-up as far as rigidity goes but the cuts are very light. in my opinion, this is the best way to ensure the bolt body, lugs, bolt nose and bolt face are all true since it is all done in one set-up.
Re: Bolt truing?????
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 300sniper</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: steelcomp</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Do you actually do the cutting with the bolt hanging that far out of the fixture? </div></div>
yep. i know it is not an ideal set-up as far as rigidity goes but the cuts are very light. in my opinion, this is the best way to ensure the bolt body, lugs, bolt nose and bolt face are all true since it is all done in one set-up. </div></div>
+1....
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 300sniper</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: steelcomp</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Do you actually do the cutting with the bolt hanging that far out of the fixture? </div></div>
yep. i know it is not an ideal set-up as far as rigidity goes but the cuts are very light. in my opinion, this is the best way to ensure the bolt body, lugs, bolt nose and bolt face are all true since it is all done in one set-up. </div></div>
+1....
Re: Bolt truing?????
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Skunkworks</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 300sniper</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: steelcomp</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Do you actually do the cutting with the bolt hanging that far out of the fixture? </div></div>
yep. i know it is not an ideal set-up as far as rigidity goes but the cuts are very light. in my opinion, this is the best way to ensure the bolt body, lugs, bolt nose and bolt face are all true since it is all done in one set-up. </div></div>
+1.... </div></div>
+1....
After speaking with Greg Tannel, I knew there had to be a faster way. Maybe not better, but faster...
He makes a plug that goes into the rear of the bolt, threads it in, puts that in a 4 jaw, then makes another plug that goes in the firing pin hole with a 60 degree hole on the other side. He then puts the live center on that to support the front. He cuts his lugs. Then he puts a bolt collar on around the lugs, Turns that so its true. Then puts the steady rest on that turned collar and cuts his face.
With this fixture 300Snipers and I use, we do it all in one shot with the same setup.
Like he said, our cuts are no greater than .002" of an inch. I did not get any chatter and it seems like they were clean cuts with minimal deflection.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Skunkworks</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 300sniper</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: steelcomp</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Do you actually do the cutting with the bolt hanging that far out of the fixture? </div></div>
yep. i know it is not an ideal set-up as far as rigidity goes but the cuts are very light. in my opinion, this is the best way to ensure the bolt body, lugs, bolt nose and bolt face are all true since it is all done in one set-up. </div></div>
+1.... </div></div>
+1....
After speaking with Greg Tannel, I knew there had to be a faster way. Maybe not better, but faster...
He makes a plug that goes into the rear of the bolt, threads it in, puts that in a 4 jaw, then makes another plug that goes in the firing pin hole with a 60 degree hole on the other side. He then puts the live center on that to support the front. He cuts his lugs. Then he puts a bolt collar on around the lugs, Turns that so its true. Then puts the steady rest on that turned collar and cuts his face.
With this fixture 300Snipers and I use, we do it all in one shot with the same setup.
Like he said, our cuts are no greater than .002" of an inch. I did not get any chatter and it seems like they were clean cuts with minimal deflection.
Re: Bolt truing?????
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AZPrecision</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Man why did I go to gunsmithing school??? I have Snipers Hide!!! </div></div>
Keith,
You'll find that when you study a subject in school it'll only teach you a certain amount. I went to trade school when I was 19 years old to study Electrical Construction & Design. It was an 18 month course that I finished in 9 months. At month 8 I had already tested for and received my Journeyman Electricians License although I was an apprentice. When I went to work I really learned the trade and now am a fully Licensed Master Electrician with Electrical Design capabilities.
Learn what they can teach, mainly the safe operation of the Lathe and Mill. When you graduate and start to work under a Gunsmith you'll start the true learning process. Being a good gunsmith is more about being a good machinist and hence lays the problem. Most that are teaching the craft just get it close and call it good. Speedy at Trinidad is probably one of the best teachers out there; he's one in a thousand. He's an Engineer by trade, machinist/tool & die maker by choice.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AZPrecision</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Man why did I go to gunsmithing school??? I have Snipers Hide!!! </div></div>
Keith,
You'll find that when you study a subject in school it'll only teach you a certain amount. I went to trade school when I was 19 years old to study Electrical Construction & Design. It was an 18 month course that I finished in 9 months. At month 8 I had already tested for and received my Journeyman Electricians License although I was an apprentice. When I went to work I really learned the trade and now am a fully Licensed Master Electrician with Electrical Design capabilities.
Learn what they can teach, mainly the safe operation of the Lathe and Mill. When you graduate and start to work under a Gunsmith you'll start the true learning process. Being a good gunsmith is more about being a good machinist and hence lays the problem. Most that are teaching the craft just get it close and call it good. Speedy at Trinidad is probably one of the best teachers out there; he's one in a thousand. He's an Engineer by trade, machinist/tool & die maker by choice.
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Ya I was joking.
Snipers Hide is a great place for knowledge if you listen to the right people.
Ya I was joking.
Snipers Hide is a great place for knowledge if you listen to the right people.
Re: Bolt truing?????
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AZPrecision</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ya I was joking.</div></div>
I know, but what I said about school is right, you'll see
Good luck
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AZPrecision</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ya I was joking.</div></div>
I know, but what I said about school is right, you'll see
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Oh I know your right.
I was just sayin', for the internet, there's some smart guys on here
Oh I know your right.
I was just sayin', for the internet, there's some smart guys on here
Re: Bolt truing?????
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wnroscoe</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AZPrecision</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Man why did I go to gunsmithing school??? I have Snipers Hide!!! </div></div>
Keith,
You'll find that when you study a subject in school it'll only teach you a certain amount. I went to trade school when I was 19 years old to study Electrical Construction & Design. It was an 18 month course that I finished in 9 months. At month 8 I had already tested for and received my Journeyman Electricians License although I was an apprentice. When I went to work I really learned the trade and now am a fully Licensed Master Electrician with Electrical Design capabilities.
Learn what they can teach, mainly the safe operation of the Lathe and Mill. When you graduate and start to work under a Gunsmith you'll start the true learning process. Being a good gunsmith is more about being a good machinist and hence lays the problem. Most that are teaching the craft just get it close and call it good. Speedy at Trinidad is probably one of the best teachers out there; he's one in a thousand. He's an Engineer by trade, machinist/tool & die maker by choice.
</div></div>
+1
When I went through A&P (Airframe and Powerplant) we went through all kinds of stuff. When I got into the field, it was go back look this up, look that up...where was it? It sure was good to have someone around who knew which way to steer you. We have a saying in this industry, "It's a license to learn" You've done enough to get into the field now learn from the people who really do it all day every day. I look back at when I first got in...wow did I not know stuff! Time and perspective have changed a lot of that. Good luck with this. I'm getting out of aviation and want to do this as a side to machining and tool work. So this thread is great to me as well.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wnroscoe</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AZPrecision</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Man why did I go to gunsmithing school??? I have Snipers Hide!!! </div></div>
Keith,
You'll find that when you study a subject in school it'll only teach you a certain amount. I went to trade school when I was 19 years old to study Electrical Construction & Design. It was an 18 month course that I finished in 9 months. At month 8 I had already tested for and received my Journeyman Electricians License although I was an apprentice. When I went to work I really learned the trade and now am a fully Licensed Master Electrician with Electrical Design capabilities.
Learn what they can teach, mainly the safe operation of the Lathe and Mill. When you graduate and start to work under a Gunsmith you'll start the true learning process. Being a good gunsmith is more about being a good machinist and hence lays the problem. Most that are teaching the craft just get it close and call it good. Speedy at Trinidad is probably one of the best teachers out there; he's one in a thousand. He's an Engineer by trade, machinist/tool & die maker by choice.
</div></div>
+1
When I went through A&P (Airframe and Powerplant) we went through all kinds of stuff. When I got into the field, it was go back look this up, look that up...where was it? It sure was good to have someone around who knew which way to steer you. We have a saying in this industry, "It's a license to learn" You've done enough to get into the field now learn from the people who really do it all day every day. I look back at when I first got in...wow did I not know stuff! Time and perspective have changed a lot of that. Good luck with this. I'm getting out of aviation and want to do this as a side to machining and tool work. So this thread is great to me as well.
Re: Bolt truing?????
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sandwarrior</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wnroscoe</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AZPrecision</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Man why did I go to gunsmithing school??? I have Snipers Hide!!! </div></div>
Keith,
You'll find that when you study a subject in school it'll only teach you a certain amount. I went to trade school when I was 19 years old to study Electrical Construction & Design. It was an 18 month course that I finished in 9 months. At month 8 I had already tested for and received my Journeyman Electricians License although I was an apprentice. When I went to work I really learned the trade and now am a fully Licensed Master Electrician with Electrical Design capabilities.
Learn what they can teach, mainly the safe operation of the Lathe and Mill. When you graduate and start to work under a Gunsmith you'll start the true learning process. Being a good gunsmith is more about being a good machinist and hence lays the problem. Most that are teaching the craft just get it close and call it good. Speedy at Trinidad is probably one of the best teachers out there; he's one in a thousand. He's an Engineer by trade, machinist/tool & die maker by choice.
</div></div>
+1
When I went through A&P (Airframe and Powerplant) we went through all kinds of stuff. When I got into the field, it was go back look this up, look that up...where was it? It sure was good to have someone around who knew which way to steer you. We have a saying in this industry, "It's a license to learn" You've done enough to get into the field now learn from the people who really do it all day every day. I look back at when I first got in...wow did I not know stuff! Time and perspective have changed a lot of that. Good luck with this. I'm getting out of aviation and want to do this as a side to machining and tool work. So this thread is great to me as well. </div></div>
I have a full A&P and I cant find crap for work in Northern Ohio.......Keep sending me your Winchester/FN bolt knobs.......I need to eat!!!! haha
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sandwarrior</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wnroscoe</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AZPrecision</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Man why did I go to gunsmithing school??? I have Snipers Hide!!! </div></div>
Keith,
You'll find that when you study a subject in school it'll only teach you a certain amount. I went to trade school when I was 19 years old to study Electrical Construction & Design. It was an 18 month course that I finished in 9 months. At month 8 I had already tested for and received my Journeyman Electricians License although I was an apprentice. When I went to work I really learned the trade and now am a fully Licensed Master Electrician with Electrical Design capabilities.
Learn what they can teach, mainly the safe operation of the Lathe and Mill. When you graduate and start to work under a Gunsmith you'll start the true learning process. Being a good gunsmith is more about being a good machinist and hence lays the problem. Most that are teaching the craft just get it close and call it good. Speedy at Trinidad is probably one of the best teachers out there; he's one in a thousand. He's an Engineer by trade, machinist/tool & die maker by choice.
</div></div>
+1
When I went through A&P (Airframe and Powerplant) we went through all kinds of stuff. When I got into the field, it was go back look this up, look that up...where was it? It sure was good to have someone around who knew which way to steer you. We have a saying in this industry, "It's a license to learn" You've done enough to get into the field now learn from the people who really do it all day every day. I look back at when I first got in...wow did I not know stuff! Time and perspective have changed a lot of that. Good luck with this. I'm getting out of aviation and want to do this as a side to machining and tool work. So this thread is great to me as well. </div></div>
I have a full A&P and I cant find crap for work in Northern Ohio.......Keep sending me your Winchester/FN bolt knobs.......I need to eat!!!! haha
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