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Sidearms & Scatterguns British forces replace sidearm to Glock

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British forces are to be given a new standard issue handgun for the first time in more than 40 years.

The Ministry of Defence has signed a £9m contract to provide the Armed Forces with more than 25,000 new side-arms and holsters from Austria's Glock.

It will replace the Browning 9mm pistol which has been in service since 1967.

The Glock 17 9mm pistol is lighter than the Browning and can be fired faster, within a second or so.

Colonel Peter Warden, from the MoD team introducing the new weapon, says that after well over four decades in service, the pistol from US manufacturer Browning was no longer the ideal weapon and had become increasingly expensive to maintain.

"We began to lose a little bit of confidence in its reliability. So we trialled seven different weapons, and got down to the Glock as the best of the bunch," he says.

After a tendering process which lasted just two years from start to finish, the MoD is buying the side-arms to issue to all three services.

Among the first people to get the new Glock over the coming weeks will be troops serving in Afghanistan, where the enemy can sometimes attack at very close range.

The pistols are most effective at a range of between 10 and 25 metres, and the Glock 17 is lighter, more accurate and its magazines can carry more bullets than the Browning it replaces, according to the trials team.

The new weapon has a magazine capacity of 17 rounds, compared to 13 rounds for the Browning, though the 9mm ammunition remains the same.

The old Browning's external safety catch could also mean a longer delay before pulling the trigger, says Warrant Officer Class 1 Mark Anderson, from the Royal Marines, who was part of the team testing it. He has served in Afghanistan, Iraq, Kosovo, Northern Ireland and Sierra Leone.

"In the event of your main weapon failing, with the new Glock you can draw and shoot the enemy within two seconds," he explains.

"That inspires confidence, and with the short-barrel pistol, it's easier to acquire your target, and makes it a lot safer to conduct your job."

The Glock has three built-in safety catches, and the pistol can be kept fully loaded with a round in the chamber - even when it is in the holster.

The Glock 17 generation 4 pistol, manufactured in Austria, was tested for around 18 months, with the team firing thousands of rounds in climates ranging from -40C to deserts at over 50C.

You need to know that wherever you are, whatever you're doing, if your main weapon fails, you have that secondary system”
Staff Sgt Matthew Hodgkinson

It has been widely used in armies and police forces around the world for many years, and proved both reliable and easy to use in the MoD tests, according to Philip Page from the MoD's defence equipment and support branch.

"We tested them in several environments, from the Arctic in Norway, to the deserts in America, including sand drag tests, special mud tests, and in the freezing rain.

"It's about stopping the target - it's an incapacitation effect, which is vital if you want to stop the attack."

Troops on operations in Afghanistan will still use their SA80 rifles or other heavier weapons as their main weapon, with the new Glock to be carried as a side-arm for personal protection.

"It offers peace of mind," says weapons specialist Staff Sgt Matthew Hodgkinson.

"You need to know that wherever you are, whatever you're doing, if your main weapon fails, you have that secondary system - and that within seconds you and your comrades can draw your pistol and engage the enemy."

With insider attacks in Afghanistan still a threat to western forces, personal protection remains essential.

Military commanders say that the old Browning pistols saved troops' lives in the past, and that the new Glock standard issue pistol will do so in the future.
 
Re: British forces replace sidearm to Glock

Decades ago the US abandoned the 1911, now the UK retires the Hi Power. I seriously doubt any Glock could sit around 40 + years without the frame turning brittle into a pile of dust. Long live the old warhorses (1911 and High Power) from a greatest generation!
 
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Should have gone with HK
 
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Adolf is laughing his head from off from where ever he is !!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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You can shoot a BHP just as fast as a glock on the first round and possible faster on follow up shots. I don't buy that for a second. Also there are quality 15 round mags for the BHP. I don't see it as being more accurate either.

Cheaper and cheaper to maintin yes
 
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I'd love to hate Glock too, but I've had a few issued, and they just keep kicking. (of course, they won't last on the shelf like a metal gun - and I think they are on Glock version 4 now, with an upgraded spring and guide - so they aren't perfect).

My fav personally owned is my H&K USP. Some dept's issue that one. I don't think the Brits could stomach a straight up German pistol in the service. Too bad they banned guns in their own motherland
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The Brits have always had a hard-on for the Glock. All of the police that carry over there are issued Glock 19 or 17's. Stroll past 10 Downing St in London and you'll see all the Prime Ministers duty carrying them. Bunch of Austian lovers. I'll keep my 1911 or M&P anyday over the Glock. Made in USA makes me much happier.
 
Re: British forces replace sidearm to Glock

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bunnypunter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Brits have always had a hard-on for the Glock. All of the police that carry over there are issued Glock 19 or 17's. Stroll past 10 Downing St in London and you'll see all the Prime Ministers duty carrying them. Bunch of Austian lovers. I'll keep my 1911 or M&P anyday over the Glock. Made in USA makes me much happier. </div></div>

USA glocks are made in Marietta, GA...
 
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The BHP may be a good gun but most of the models in service had likely long outlived their service life military service is hard on weapons. Its not suprising they looked for a new manufacture pistol and where Made in the USA is big here I am sure Made in the EU is important there. I love my glocks and will always own a few there are other great guns out there no sense hating on them for selecting them as I would be willing to guess the UKs MoD probably put the firearm through far more rigourous testing then 99.9% of the people that own guns and complain about them will likely ever put their pistol through. I understand you like your 1911 there is nothing wrong with it but until you have put it side by side up against any other pistol to the level of testing these militarys are doing you really cant say its a better choice for them.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Twitch2120</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bunnypunter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Brits have always had a hard-on for the Glock. All of the police that carry over there are issued Glock 19 or 17's. Stroll past 10 Downing St in London and you'll see all the Prime Ministers duty carrying them. Bunch of Austian lovers. I'll keep my 1911 or M&P anyday over the Glock. Made in USA makes me much happier. </div></div>

USA glocks are made in Marietta, GA... </div></div>
Assembled in GA.
 
Re: British forces replace sidearm to Glock

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Turk</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Twitch2120</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bunnypunter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Brits have always had a hard-on for the Glock. All of the police that carry over there are issued Glock 19 or 17's. Stroll past 10 Downing St in London and you'll see all the Prime Ministers duty carrying them. Bunch of Austian lovers. I'll keep my 1911 or M&P anyday over the Glock. Made in USA makes me much happier. </div></div>

USA glocks are made in Marietta, GA... </div></div>
Assembled in GA.</div></div>

They are manufacturing them here in the USA now, but the models with Austrian slides are far superior since EPA regulations prevent Tinifer coatings to be applied in the USA. Many of the Glocks in gun stores now have the frames made in USA, and the slide still made in Austria since demand is much higher then USA manufacturing capacity. Look at the side of the slide, if it has a dull finish, and is missing "Austria" on the side, it's made in the USA. The frame will be either marked "Austria GmbH" or "Made in USA"
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Alpine 338</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Turk</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Twitch2120</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bunnypunter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Brits have always had a hard-on for the Glock. All of the police that carry over there are issued Glock 19 or 17's. Stroll past 10 Downing St in London and you'll see all the Prime Ministers duty carrying them. Bunch of Austian lovers. I'll keep my 1911 or M&P anyday over the Glock. Made in USA makes me much happier. </div></div>

USA glocks are made in Marietta, GA... </div></div>
Assembled in GA.</div></div>

They are manufacturing them here in the USA now, but the models with Austrian slides are far superior since EPA regulations prevent Tinifer coatings to be applied in the USA. Many of the Glocks in gun stores now have the frames made in USA, and the slide still made in Austria since demand is much higher then USA manufacturing capacity. Look at the side of the slide, if it has a dull finish, and is missing "Austria" on the side, it's made in the USA. The frame will be either marked "Austria GmbH" or "Made in USA" </div></div>
I stand corrected; but why do you feel the Austrian one's are better?
 
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I have 3 Glocks, 2 1911's a S&W M&P 40 and allf them are comparable for operation. It was retarded for ther US Military not to adopt a proven firearm like the Glock. I am still surprised that they stayed with the 9mm. It is by far an inadequate round for military use.

Also guys don't forget that they could buy 2 Glocks for the price of 1 BHP or even a 1911!

I love the Glocks because they always go BOOM!!!!

Semper Fi!
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: K-tech</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Hitler's Reaction to Gen4 Glocks

Wait 'til the Brits hear about this... </div></div>

LMAO! and he's right, the RTF2 is Glock Perfection
 
Re: British forces replace sidearm to Glock

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Turk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I stand corrected; but why do you feel the Austrian one's are better?</div></div>

They are not better, just the Tinifer treatment/coating on the Austrian slides is much more durable then whatever the coating is they use on the slides here in the USA.

That's what I meant as more desirable.

I'm guessing that they are manufacturing them here in the USA to make it easier to bid on and win Military and Govt. contracts.
 
Re: British forces replace sidearm to Glock

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rick 324</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have 3 Glocks, 2 1911's a S&W M&P 40 and allf them are comparable for operation. It was retarded for ther US Military not to adopt a proven firearm like the Glock. I am still surprised that they stayed with the 9mm. It is by far an inadequate round for military use.

<span style="font-weight: bold">Also guys don't forget that they could buy 2 Glocks for the price of 1 BHP or even a 1911!
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I love the Glocks because they always go BOOM!!!!

Semper Fi! </div></div>

Maybe me and you can buy 2 glocks for the the price of one BHP but military contracts are not usually interested in saving money. Sometimes it can be a matter of which company sucks up to the military/government the best.

By the way did glock ever get their head outta their ass and start installing steel guide rods instead of those plastic ones?
 
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I just got my 1st Glock this past weekend to replace a S&W .40. Bought a G23 gen 4 and on the way home I stopped to shoot it and it surpassed my expectations. Best $625 I ever spent and now I'm ready to get another one! Looking at the G26 for conceal carry & fun gun to shoot a lot cuz 9mm ammo is cheaper then .40. But the G23 .40 will be my bedside heater...
 
Im slightly surprised that they didn't go with a Sig over the Glock.. I wonder how many soldiers will encounter "Glock-Leg", because lets face it, not every soldier in the military is highly trained on handguns.

I like Glocks, I just dont really see them as a mass-issued military sidearm. Military weapons see more abuse than any other weapon on the face of the planet, and they are usually in service for WAAAAY longer than they should be. Only time will tell if the frames hold up as well as expected.

Good for them though, at least the Brit troops are getting a high-quality, reliable sidearm.
 
Im slightly surprised that they didn't go with a Sig over the Glock.. I wonder how many soldiers will encounter "Glock-Leg", because lets face it, not every soldier in the military is highly trained on handguns.

No problem, after a couple of incidents they will be required to carry them chamber empty....