Building 300 BLK bolt gun.Barrel questions?
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Scoop</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ollie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How's the 208 amax for sub hunting? </div></div>
Little hole in.....little hole out. Ask me how I know. </div></div>
Even if they don't expand, they will kill, however you may have to do some tracking. I shot a 160 lb. boar with one and had to track him 100 yards or so. The bullet went straight through, no tumbling. Not much different than bow hunting really. Just wait for them to bleed out.
As for the OP's question on barrels, when I had a Savage bolt action, I had an 18" varmint contour barrel in a B&C Medalist stock. The rifle was heavy and unwieldy. I regretted going that route, and would have been much happier with a lighter contour 16" or 18" barrel in a lighter stock. Now I have a 10" AR15 in 300 BLK and love it.
-Dan
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Scoop</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ollie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How's the 208 amax for sub hunting? </div></div>
Little hole in.....little hole out. Ask me how I know. </div></div>
Even if they don't expand, they will kill, however you may have to do some tracking. I shot a 160 lb. boar with one and had to track him 100 yards or so. The bullet went straight through, no tumbling. Not much different than bow hunting really. Just wait for them to bleed out.
As for the OP's question on barrels, when I had a Savage bolt action, I had an 18" varmint contour barrel in a B&C Medalist stock. The rifle was heavy and unwieldy. I regretted going that route, and would have been much happier with a lighter contour 16" or 18" barrel in a lighter stock. Now I have a 10" AR15 in 300 BLK and love it.
-Dan
Re: Building 300 BLK bolt gun.Barrel questions?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: furburner</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Scoop, my smith said he can't do a howa as far as threading and what not due to it is metric? Do you have anyone in particular you would use? I have rem spa 223 but saw a howa 223 for $300 and was going to opt for it but know this hurdle. Would like to do rem but don't think my smith is on same page as me </div></div>
PM AKA-Spook. He can hook you up. Douglas barrels did the rebarrel on my Howa. They are good to go too, but AKA-Spook is who I would use. Pick up a Bell & Carlson stock, EGW scope base and the rings & optic of your choice. The factory bottom metal setup will work fine, but if you opt for a detachable system, I'd look at the <span style="color: #3333FF">CDI Precision</span> version. Jeff can inlet your stock for you and he turns 'em around quick. I like lighter-weight rifles so #4 contour is what I have on my present Whisper. Just large enough to thread 5/8x24 and have a decent shoulder. Just my 2 cents worth.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: furburner</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Scoop, my smith said he can't do a howa as far as threading and what not due to it is metric? Do you have anyone in particular you would use? I have rem spa 223 but saw a howa 223 for $300 and was going to opt for it but know this hurdle. Would like to do rem but don't think my smith is on same page as me </div></div>
PM AKA-Spook. He can hook you up. Douglas barrels did the rebarrel on my Howa. They are good to go too, but AKA-Spook is who I would use. Pick up a Bell & Carlson stock, EGW scope base and the rings & optic of your choice. The factory bottom metal setup will work fine, but if you opt for a detachable system, I'd look at the <span style="color: #3333FF">CDI Precision</span> version. Jeff can inlet your stock for you and he turns 'em around quick. I like lighter-weight rifles so #4 contour is what I have on my present Whisper. Just large enough to thread 5/8x24 and have a decent shoulder. Just my 2 cents worth.
Re: Building 300 BLK bolt gun.Barrel questions?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ollie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks scoop, sounds like i would just be poking the bear if i asked how you know. </div></div>
LOL. It wasn't a huge deal. Just had to do some major tracking. Think bowhunting with a rifle except with an almost non-existent blood trail from two pencil-prick holes. Found the deer (double-lung shot), but it was way too much like work! Another dropped where I shot her because the shot was high and I spined her. A tiny, tiny trickle of blood and that was it. Loaded up some of the 220 gr Outlaw State expanders but have yet to shoot anything with them. Hopefully they'll give me a little larger exit hole.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ollie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks scoop, sounds like i would just be poking the bear if i asked how you know. </div></div>
LOL. It wasn't a huge deal. Just had to do some major tracking. Think bowhunting with a rifle except with an almost non-existent blood trail from two pencil-prick holes. Found the deer (double-lung shot), but it was way too much like work! Another dropped where I shot her because the shot was high and I spined her. A tiny, tiny trickle of blood and that was it. Loaded up some of the 220 gr Outlaw State expanders but have yet to shoot anything with them. Hopefully they'll give me a little larger exit hole.
Re: Building 300 BLK bolt gun.Barrel questions?
A few pics of my Whisper bolt guns. The Remmy is what I have now. I like it, but I wish I had kept the Howa.
CZ527 in .300 Whisper by Scoop86, on Flickr
HOWA 1500 in .300 Whisper by Scoop86, on Flickr
Remmy 700 in .300 Whisper by Scoop86, on Flickr
A few pics of my Whisper bolt guns. The Remmy is what I have now. I like it, but I wish I had kept the Howa.
CZ527 in .300 Whisper by Scoop86, on Flickr
HOWA 1500 in .300 Whisper by Scoop86, on Flickr
Remmy 700 in .300 Whisper by Scoop86, on Flickr
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I have to agree with Scoop, pm AKA-Spook . He made a 300/221 and I just got a 300 blk from him . 1 was on a Howa and the new 1 is on a Rem 700 with ptg bolt . I really like both of them . Howa is gtg out of the box . A Rem is good with a replacement bolt . My new one also has bottom metal to accept 10 rd AI mags . Feeds, fires, and ejects perfectly . I broke the barrel in and will be shortly sending it to RWS Gunsmithing to get it nitrided . When it comes back I'll post pictures and targets . I highly recommend AKA-Spook - he does great work .
david
I have to agree with Scoop, pm AKA-Spook . He made a 300/221 and I just got a 300 blk from him . 1 was on a Howa and the new 1 is on a Rem 700 with ptg bolt . I really like both of them . Howa is gtg out of the box . A Rem is good with a replacement bolt . My new one also has bottom metal to accept 10 rd AI mags . Feeds, fires, and ejects perfectly . I broke the barrel in and will be shortly sending it to RWS Gunsmithing to get it nitrided . When it comes back I'll post pictures and targets . I highly recommend AKA-Spook - he does great work .
david
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Just your standard .223 Rem. Howa will suffice. I just bought a 1500 20" Varmint in green Hogue stock that I'm re-barrelling to .300 BLK. Should be somewhere between 11"-12" when complete.
Just your standard .223 Rem. Howa will suffice. I just bought a 1500 20" Varmint in green Hogue stock that I'm re-barrelling to .300 BLK. Should be somewhere between 11"-12" when complete.
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So i guess final question ,should i buy a rem aac 308 for suppressed hog hunting, or build blackout? just want something to shoot to about 150 yards suppressed and quiet in bolt platform that is easy to reload subsonic.
So i guess final question ,should i buy a rem aac 308 for suppressed hog hunting, or build blackout? just want something to shoot to about 150 yards suppressed and quiet in bolt platform that is easy to reload subsonic.
Re: Building 300 BLK bolt gun.Barrel questions?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: furburner</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So i guess final question ,should i buy a rem aac 308 for suppressed hog hunting, or build blackout? just want something to shoot to about 150 yards suppressed and quiet in bolt platform that is easy to reload subsonic. </div></div>
Whats wrong with a regular .308? too common? it fits the description you mentioned above and even better you can shoot it super sonic when/if you want to and have decent ballistics.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: furburner</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So i guess final question ,should i buy a rem aac 308 for suppressed hog hunting, or build blackout? just want something to shoot to about 150 yards suppressed and quiet in bolt platform that is easy to reload subsonic. </div></div>
Whats wrong with a regular .308? too common? it fits the description you mentioned above and even better you can shoot it super sonic when/if you want to and have decent ballistics.
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If you're going to shoot subsonic, then do yourself a favour and get the .300 BLK. It was purpose built as a dual purpose round that has close to 7.62x39mm balistics when shooting supersonic.
If you're intended range is only 150 yds. then don't waste your time with a .308 Winchester. Subsonic is subsonic regardless of which case you use. Having said that, you're likely to get more consistent results using a case with less powder capacity - hence the Blackout.
If it were me, I wouldn't get too worked up about hunting with subsonic rounds unless it was absolutely necessary to do so. 110gr.-150gr. bullets will easily expand at the supersonic velocity ranges that the Blackout produces.
In the end, it's your decision. If you like the look and feel of the AAC SPS then why not consider just getting a SPS Varmint in .17FB, re-barrelling it, and then pick up a AAC SPS take off stock for it? Voila! You've got what you want.
If you're going to shoot subsonic, then do yourself a favour and get the .300 BLK. It was purpose built as a dual purpose round that has close to 7.62x39mm balistics when shooting supersonic.
If you're intended range is only 150 yds. then don't waste your time with a .308 Winchester. Subsonic is subsonic regardless of which case you use. Having said that, you're likely to get more consistent results using a case with less powder capacity - hence the Blackout.
If it were me, I wouldn't get too worked up about hunting with subsonic rounds unless it was absolutely necessary to do so. 110gr.-150gr. bullets will easily expand at the supersonic velocity ranges that the Blackout produces.
In the end, it's your decision. If you like the look and feel of the AAC SPS then why not consider just getting a SPS Varmint in .17FB, re-barrelling it, and then pick up a AAC SPS take off stock for it? Voila! You've got what you want.
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I already have an m40A1 clone, so 308 to shoot supersonic and regular hunting I have, but im not about to thread my clone, want something simply to shoot subsonic at hogs, i reload so not a problem with ammo, but i just want something for 100-150 yards to pop hogs with suppressed.
I already have an m40A1 clone, so 308 to shoot supersonic and regular hunting I have, but im not about to thread my clone, want something simply to shoot subsonic at hogs, i reload so not a problem with ammo, but i just want something for 100-150 yards to pop hogs with suppressed.
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Ok, A friend of mine just got his back from smith, he took his sps varmint "223" bought the medium weight barrel from AAC, smith put it on, we just shot a box of rounds, very sweet rig BTW, no extraction problems??!!! What the heck? we bought our guns same time. Im confused. Even slow bolt manipulation still worked. I dont know what to do.
Ok, A friend of mine just got his back from smith, he took his sps varmint "223" bought the medium weight barrel from AAC, smith put it on, we just shot a box of rounds, very sweet rig BTW, no extraction problems??!!! What the heck? we bought our guns same time. Im confused. Even slow bolt manipulation still worked. I dont know what to do.
Re: Building 300 BLK bolt gun.Barrel questions?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: furburner</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Im confused. Even slow bolt manipulation still worked. I dont know what to do. </div></div>
Did you PM AKA-Spook yet?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: furburner</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Im confused. Even slow bolt manipulation still worked. I dont know what to do. </div></div>
Did you PM AKA-Spook yet?
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Yes I talked to AKA Spook he said it would work maybe just change extractor for better long term results
Yes I talked to AKA Spook he said it would work maybe just change extractor for better long term results
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I did not read through the thread so please forgive if this is a repeat:
I have had great results with:
Remington 700
Sako or mini M16 extractor
8 twist Hart barrels are perfect for this round.
Loaded rounds may flop back in the action though.
I did not read through the thread so please forgive if this is a repeat:
I have had great results with:
Remington 700
Sako or mini M16 extractor
8 twist Hart barrels are perfect for this round.
Loaded rounds may flop back in the action though.
Re: Building 300 BLK bolt gun.Barrel questions?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: furburner</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ok, A friend of mine just got his back from smith, he took his sps varmint "223" bought the medium weight barrel from AAC, smith put it on, we just shot a box of rounds, very sweet rig BTW, no extraction problems??!!! What the heck? we bought our guns same time. Im confused. Even slow bolt manipulation still worked. I dont know what to do. </div></div>
I don't recall anyone saying that a .223 Rem. based rifle wouldn't work, just that there's been well documented instances where there were issues. All of us are simply telling you - repeatedly, I might add, that there are other options out there for you to consider.
Sounds like your friend is good to go. It's simply a crap shoot. You take your chances and accept the possibility knowing that you <span style="font-weight: bold">MAY</span> need to modify your bolt to some degree.
You've indicated that you didn't wish to modify the bolt so you've got (2) choices as I see it. (1) Listen to the sage advice already given or (2) Re-barrel the rifle and put up with any extraction issues that you may possibly have. It's just that simple.
FWIW, I just bought a new Weatherby Vanguard Varmint in .223 Rem. for dirt cheap money. The Vanguard is just a re-badged Howa 1500. My plan is to shoot it as is and eventually re-barrel to 6x45mm or 6mm Whsiper (aka: 6x35mm KAC).
I've never had any work done by Spook nor will I ever, because I live outside the US. I will say though, if I were in your position I would get him to do the job. He has a great deal of knowledge dealing with this cartridge.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: furburner</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ok, A friend of mine just got his back from smith, he took his sps varmint "223" bought the medium weight barrel from AAC, smith put it on, we just shot a box of rounds, very sweet rig BTW, no extraction problems??!!! What the heck? we bought our guns same time. Im confused. Even slow bolt manipulation still worked. I dont know what to do. </div></div>
I don't recall anyone saying that a .223 Rem. based rifle wouldn't work, just that there's been well documented instances where there were issues. All of us are simply telling you - repeatedly, I might add, that there are other options out there for you to consider.
Sounds like your friend is good to go. It's simply a crap shoot. You take your chances and accept the possibility knowing that you <span style="font-weight: bold">MAY</span> need to modify your bolt to some degree.
You've indicated that you didn't wish to modify the bolt so you've got (2) choices as I see it. (1) Listen to the sage advice already given or (2) Re-barrel the rifle and put up with any extraction issues that you may possibly have. It's just that simple.
FWIW, I just bought a new Weatherby Vanguard Varmint in .223 Rem. for dirt cheap money. The Vanguard is just a re-badged Howa 1500. My plan is to shoot it as is and eventually re-barrel to 6x45mm or 6mm Whsiper (aka: 6x35mm KAC).
I've never had any work done by Spook nor will I ever, because I live outside the US. I will say though, if I were in your position I would get him to do the job. He has a great deal of knowledge dealing with this cartridge.
