So, could somebody tell me all the steps needed to leagally fabricate my own suppressor. and am I right in assuming it is only for yourself and cannot be sold?
Suppressors Building your own suppressor
- Thread starter coldboremiracle
- Start date
Re: Building your own suppressor
You may want to call the BATF before you end up building license plates instead of suppressors. I know a firearm can be built. Suppressor I believe is a little more than getting the TAX stamp
You may want to call the BATF before you end up building license plates instead of suppressors. I know a firearm can be built. Suppressor I believe is a little more than getting the TAX stamp
Re: Building your own suppressor
I believe you may build a suppressor on a Form 1, There should be posts on building a suppressor on this forum. Maybe some of the guys who are machinists can help you out on where to look. But building one is just like building a SBR on Fm 1.
I believe you may build a suppressor on a Form 1, There should be posts on building a suppressor on this forum. Maybe some of the guys who are machinists can help you out on where to look. But building one is just like building a SBR on Fm 1.
Re: Building your own suppressor
I know you can build one when accopanied by the right paperwork, I'm just curious as to the steps taken and regulations and so forth.
I know you can build one when accopanied by the right paperwork, I'm just curious as to the steps taken and regulations and so forth.
Re: Building your own suppressor
Same as buying a suppressor, except instead of a form 4, you do a form 1 pay the $200 tax and wait until you receive the stamp before any chips fly on the lathe. I have built two, one for my 22 and a .308.....and they work quite well!!!!
I am not 100% sure if you can sell it or not, I think you can but, your gonna half to call the ATF to be sure.
Same as buying a suppressor, except instead of a form 4, you do a form 1 pay the $200 tax and wait until you receive the stamp before any chips fly on the lathe. I have built two, one for my 22 and a .308.....and they work quite well!!!!
I am not 100% sure if you can sell it or not, I think you can but, your gonna half to call the ATF to be sure.
Re: Building your own suppressor
I don't know the sequence. Tho I'm sure you have to have the Fm 1 approved and returned before you start construction, just like building a SBR. I don't know about plans for one, I'm guessing you can do CAD drawings of your plans before you start construction, but I don't know if you have to submit plans to the ATF of not. Someone will be along to fill in the details I'm sure.
I don't know the sequence. Tho I'm sure you have to have the Fm 1 approved and returned before you start construction, just like building a SBR. I don't know about plans for one, I'm guessing you can do CAD drawings of your plans before you start construction, but I don't know if you have to submit plans to the ATF of not. Someone will be along to fill in the details I'm sure.
Re: Building your own suppressor
Nope, no plans are required. You just have to come up with a serial number and caliber, length/dia. is not required. That is unless they changed something from a year ago...that was the last one I did.
Nope, no plans are required. You just have to come up with a serial number and caliber, length/dia. is not required. That is unless they changed something from a year ago...that was the last one I did.
Re: Building your own suppressor
So after Fm 1 is approved, whats next? are there any requirements other than the ones you mentioned already? do you just build it then and show up?
So after Fm 1 is approved, whats next? are there any requirements other than the ones you mentioned already? do you just build it then and show up?
Re: Building your own suppressor
With an SBR once you get the Fm 1 paid for approved and returned you are good to go, build and use the rifle. You have to file a form if you change addresses, otherwise you are ok. I would think the same goes for cans. I do know that once complete you can't have extra parts like tubes end caps or baffles.
With an SBR once you get the Fm 1 paid for approved and returned you are good to go, build and use the rifle. You have to file a form if you change addresses, otherwise you are ok. I would think the same goes for cans. I do know that once complete you can't have extra parts like tubes end caps or baffles.
Re: Building your own suppressor
Very cool to know. I am planning to buy 2 cans this week. But when i am healthy again I would love to build one out.
Very cool to know. I am planning to buy 2 cans this week. But when i am healthy again I would love to build one out.
Re: Building your own suppressor
go to silencertalk.com there are some very knowledgeable people for building suppressors on a Form 1
go to silencertalk.com there are some very knowledgeable people for building suppressors on a Form 1
Re: Building your own suppressor
I make them as a hobby. Fill out and send in the ATF form 1, form 5330.20, finger print cards and your $200 check. Approval of my last one took about 4 months.
Do not leave any of the spaces for the applicant blank. You are not required to supply barrel or overall length and no plans are required either. The model number and serial number are those you make up yourself.
An unlicensed form 1 builder is not allowed to make new replacement parts after the silencer is built unless another $200 tax is paid. There is one exception to this and that is wipes. You make make replacement wipes after the old ones are destroyed. Wipes typically last less than 100 rounds, I never plan on making a silencer with wipes. A class 2 manufacturer is allowed to make repairs and replace parts as long as the bore is not changed or the tube is not made longer
You can sell the silencer on an ATF form 4 like any other silencer is sold. I doubt that anyone would buy a homemade silencer, especially one from out of state as it would result in two $200 taxes.
http://www.silencertalk.com and http://www.subguns.com are the best places to go for info of any kind on silencers.
Ranb
I make them as a hobby. Fill out and send in the ATF form 1, form 5330.20, finger print cards and your $200 check. Approval of my last one took about 4 months.
Do not leave any of the spaces for the applicant blank. You are not required to supply barrel or overall length and no plans are required either. The model number and serial number are those you make up yourself.
An unlicensed form 1 builder is not allowed to make new replacement parts after the silencer is built unless another $200 tax is paid. There is one exception to this and that is wipes. You make make replacement wipes after the old ones are destroyed. Wipes typically last less than 100 rounds, I never plan on making a silencer with wipes. A class 2 manufacturer is allowed to make repairs and replace parts as long as the bore is not changed or the tube is not made longer
You can sell the silencer on an ATF form 4 like any other silencer is sold. I doubt that anyone would buy a homemade silencer, especially one from out of state as it would result in two $200 taxes.
http://www.silencertalk.com and http://www.subguns.com are the best places to go for info of any kind on silencers.
Ranb
Re: Building your own suppressor
Make sure you have no local or state laws that would cause issues and favor the center!
Make sure you have no local or state laws that would cause issues and favor the center!
Re: Building your own suppressor
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ranb</div><div class="ubbcode-body">http://www.silencertalk.com and http://www.subguns.com are the best places to go for info of any kind on silencers.
Ranb </div></div>
+1
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ranb</div><div class="ubbcode-body">http://www.silencertalk.com and http://www.subguns.com are the best places to go for info of any kind on silencers.
Ranb </div></div>
+1
Re: Building your own suppressor
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ranb</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I make them as a hobby. Fill out and send in the ATF form 1, form 5330.20, finger print cards and your $200 check. Approval of my last one took about 4 months.
Do not leave any of the spaces for the applicant blank. You are not required to supply barrel or overall length and no plans are required either. The model number and serial number are those you make up yourself.
An unlicensed form 1 builder is not allowed to make new replacement parts after the silencer is built unless another $200 tax is paid. There is one exception to this and that is wipes. You make make replacement wipes after the old ones are destroyed. Wipes typically last less than 100 rounds, I never plan on making a silencer with wipes. A class 2 manufacturer is allowed to make repairs and replace parts as long as the bore is not changed or the tube is not made longer
You can sell the silencer on an ATF form 4 like any other silencer is sold. I doubt that anyone would buy a homemade silencer, especially one from out of state as it would result in two $200 taxes.
http://www.silencertalk.com and http://www.subguns.com are the best places to go for info of any kind on silencers.
Ranb </div></div>
is the model required or can I just have a serial number ? And not worry about creating a model number
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ranb</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I make them as a hobby. Fill out and send in the ATF form 1, form 5330.20, finger print cards and your $200 check. Approval of my last one took about 4 months.
Do not leave any of the spaces for the applicant blank. You are not required to supply barrel or overall length and no plans are required either. The model number and serial number are those you make up yourself.
An unlicensed form 1 builder is not allowed to make new replacement parts after the silencer is built unless another $200 tax is paid. There is one exception to this and that is wipes. You make make replacement wipes after the old ones are destroyed. Wipes typically last less than 100 rounds, I never plan on making a silencer with wipes. A class 2 manufacturer is allowed to make repairs and replace parts as long as the bore is not changed or the tube is not made longer
You can sell the silencer on an ATF form 4 like any other silencer is sold. I doubt that anyone would buy a homemade silencer, especially one from out of state as it would result in two $200 taxes.
http://www.silencertalk.com and http://www.subguns.com are the best places to go for info of any kind on silencers.
Ranb </div></div>
is the model required or can I just have a serial number ? And not worry about creating a model number
Re: Building your own suppressor
damn, so all those pop bottles and waterpipe duct tape things we made for our .22's to hunt water rats in the sewer and creeks were ILLEGAL?
I have been thinking of the same thing myself. A 'Flowmaster' for a .308. Don't need quiet, just 'not so loud'
damn, so all those pop bottles and waterpipe duct tape things we made for our .22's to hunt water rats in the sewer and creeks were ILLEGAL?
I have been thinking of the same thing myself. A 'Flowmaster' for a .308. Don't need quiet, just 'not so loud'
Re: Building your own suppressor
Watch your mouth switchblade, your uncle is watching..... I would like to make one on a form 1 just for somethin to play around with. But i think maybe they should make it so that if you make a can yourself with a serial number you should only have to do the regular old background check like when purchasing a handgun. But make it so that you could not transfer it to anyone else, so that it doesn't get into the wrong hands. Without the $200 stamp crap.
Just a thought!
Jay
Watch your mouth switchblade, your uncle is watching..... I would like to make one on a form 1 just for somethin to play around with. But i think maybe they should make it so that if you make a can yourself with a serial number you should only have to do the regular old background check like when purchasing a handgun. But make it so that you could not transfer it to anyone else, so that it doesn't get into the wrong hands. Without the $200 stamp crap.
Just a thought!
Jay
Re: Building your own suppressor
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 03bulletstopper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You may want to call the BATF before you end up building license plates instead of suppressors. I know a firearm can be built. <span style="color: #FF0000">Suppressor I believe is a little more than getting the TAX stamp</span> </div></div>
Not correct. you file a form 1 for the suppressor. when the form comes back approved you can begin building the suppressor. if you rent time in a mechanical shop or have someone help you, you must keep all the parts and pieces in your possession at all times. you cannot drop your plans off and say "hey, build this for me" you must be there the WHOLE time. I would research this very carefully. Make sure you know what you want and how to go about building it. This is not something you want to guess on. if you guess, build it, and attach it to the rifle your first round thru it could be your last.
Call the BATF and ask to speak to a specialist about your project that you have in mind. In some cases, its easier to buy a suppressor from a C3 dealer.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 03bulletstopper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You may want to call the BATF before you end up building license plates instead of suppressors. I know a firearm can be built. <span style="color: #FF0000">Suppressor I believe is a little more than getting the TAX stamp</span> </div></div>
Not correct. you file a form 1 for the suppressor. when the form comes back approved you can begin building the suppressor. if you rent time in a mechanical shop or have someone help you, you must keep all the parts and pieces in your possession at all times. you cannot drop your plans off and say "hey, build this for me" you must be there the WHOLE time. I would research this very carefully. Make sure you know what you want and how to go about building it. This is not something you want to guess on. if you guess, build it, and attach it to the rifle your first round thru it could be your last.
Call the BATF and ask to speak to a specialist about your project that you have in mind. In some cases, its easier to buy a suppressor from a C3 dealer.
Re: Building your own suppressor
I set up a trust before I built mine. It is a little less complicated for the Form 1. With a trust the can becomes property of the trust so you don't need the fingerprints or pictures. No CLEO signoff. And in the event something happens to you, all the property of the trust goes to the successor.(spouse, child etc..)
If the can was your property and not part of a trust, the person who inherits it would have to pay another $200 transfer fee. This would help a great deal if you had several NFA items. $200 per item could add up.
I set up a trust before I built mine. It is a little less complicated for the Form 1. With a trust the can becomes property of the trust so you don't need the fingerprints or pictures. No CLEO signoff. And in the event something happens to you, all the property of the trust goes to the successor.(spouse, child etc..)
If the can was your property and not part of a trust, the person who inherits it would have to pay another $200 transfer fee. This would help a great deal if you had several NFA items. $200 per item could add up.
Re: Building your own suppressor
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: locked&loaded</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
If the can was your property and not part of a trust, the person who inherits it would have to pay another $200 transfer fee. This would help a great deal if you had several NFA items. $200 per item could add up. </div></div>
This is NOT true. There is NO TAX COLLECTED when an NFA item is inherited.
Excerpted from
http://www.atf.gov/press/releases/1999/09/090599-openletter-nfa-estate-transfers.html
<span style="font-style: italic">"For registered NFA firearms in the estate,...."</span>
<span style="font-style: italic">"The firearms may be transferred on a tax-exempt basis to a lawful heir. The executor would apply on ATF Form 5, Application for Tax Exempt Transfer and Registration of a Firearm, for a tax-exempt transfer to a lawful heir. A lawful heir is anyone named in the decedent’s will or, in the absence of a will, anyone entitled to inherit under the laws of the State in which the decedent last resided. NFA firearms may be transferred directly interstate to a beneficiary of the estate."</span>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: locked&loaded</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
If the can was your property and not part of a trust, the person who inherits it would have to pay another $200 transfer fee. This would help a great deal if you had several NFA items. $200 per item could add up. </div></div>
This is NOT true. There is NO TAX COLLECTED when an NFA item is inherited.
Excerpted from
http://www.atf.gov/press/releases/1999/09/090599-openletter-nfa-estate-transfers.html
<span style="font-style: italic">"For registered NFA firearms in the estate,...."</span>
<span style="font-style: italic">"The firearms may be transferred on a tax-exempt basis to a lawful heir. The executor would apply on ATF Form 5, Application for Tax Exempt Transfer and Registration of a Firearm, for a tax-exempt transfer to a lawful heir. A lawful heir is anyone named in the decedent’s will or, in the absence of a will, anyone entitled to inherit under the laws of the State in which the decedent last resided. NFA firearms may be transferred directly interstate to a beneficiary of the estate."</span>
Re: Building your own suppressor
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Zevdogs</div><div class="ubbcode-body">is the model required or can I just have a serial number ? And not worry about creating a model number </div></div>
Sorry for the late reply. As far as I know, the ATF will not approve the form if a model number is not entered. Making up a model number is no big deal.
Ranb
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Zevdogs</div><div class="ubbcode-body">is the model required or can I just have a serial number ? And not worry about creating a model number </div></div>
Sorry for the late reply. As far as I know, the ATF will not approve the form if a model number is not entered. Making up a model number is no big deal.
Ranb
