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Rifle Scopes Bushnell FFP Mil/Mil 6-24X50 Illum Ret

Shady_Jay

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I recently obtained Bushnell’s new Illuminated 6-24X50 First Focal Plain Scope with mil-radian reticle and turrets. My first exposure to this scope was at the 2010 Snipers Hide Cup hosted by Rifles Only. I was squadded with SGM(ret) Tom Fuller of Bushnell who was using this scope mounted on a Barrett 98B .338LM. I was initially impressed with the optic’s clarity and positive engagements on the turrets when casually looking through it at the competition.

I placed an order for this same optic and received mine a few weeks after the match. It was identical in clarity and touch as the one I viewed at Rifles Only. I mounted the optic on my AR-10T. The majority of the scopes I have mounted on this rifle have been near a 100 yard zero with the scope set at mechanical zero. Knowing this, I ran the turrets to see how much elevation I would have. I discovered the optic had 12.8 mils of vertical travel. I was concerned because my 155gr Scenar load takes 8.5 mils to 1000 yards and my 175gr SMK load takes 10.5 mils. I ordered a 22 MOA Badger base to compensate for the lack of elevation and mounted the scope.

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I went to my private range and zeroed the rifle. The scope tracked great and box tests were conducted with no issues. I proceeded to shoot about 100 rounds at 100 yards testing different .308 loads. After the tests, I zeroed the rifle to my standard load for this rifle which pushes the 175gr SMK at 2700fps. The POI was the same elevation as the 155gr Scenars at 2940fps at 100 yards. The available travel I had left was 8.2 mils which was just short of the needed elevation for the Scenars. However, a 0.3 mil holdover is very doable for this range. I staggered steel targets out to 800 yards and the scope tracked true to the numbers on my Density Altitude cards.

I didn’t complete any kind of torture test on it because I felt it was unnecessary. I saw this same model scope ride a Barrett 98B .338LM for a week straight at the Snipers Hide Cup preceded by the train-up. The illumination is variable and the color is green. I asked Bushnell why they chose green. They advised it wasn’t really anything scientific. The designers took a poll on whether red or green had less glare and they felt the green was more user friendly. That’s good enough for me. It is just a different color.

This photo attempts to depict the image clarity on 10X.


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So, I love everything this scope has to offer but the elevation. I discussed the elevation issue with Bushnell and they are aware of the shortcomings and are in the process of redesigning the turrets to compensate for this. <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="color: #CC0000">So, how do I get this to work at 1000 yards without holdovers?</span> </span>

<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="color: #000099">Barrett came to the rescue!</span> </span>

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Barrett has optic rings called ExRings. These are rings with dual-MOA settings (15 MOA or 40 MOA on one model and 20 MOA or 30MOA on another). I had never used these rings before and would normally be leery about adjustable rings. However, Kyle Lynch (Director of Sales & Marketing) of Barrett was also squadded with me during the competition. Both he and Tom were using these rings on their .338 LMs and I never observed any failures, complaints, or issues.

So, I mounted the scope in the rings on the 30 MOA setting and it was a success!

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I zeroed the rifle to my known load. I had .3 mils of down travel left over and total of 12.5 mils of elevation. It isn’t perfect and Bushnell is re-working it to make it even better. However, you just can’t beat a FFP Mil/Mil 6-24X50 reliable optic, combined with excellent rings for about $1000. Definitely an alternative to consider. I'm keeping this one mounted on the rifle
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Re: Bushnell FFP Mil/Mil 6-24X50 Illum Ret

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BCP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How is the eye relief at higher magnification? </div></div>

You will notice a slight tunneling of the image due to the FFP (even my high-end optics exhibit this), but there is no need to adjust your cheek weld. Eye relief stays the same.
 
Re: Bushnell FFP Mil/Mil 6-24X50 Illum Ret

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: steve123</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks for the review!

Is it still bright and clear on 24X?

Steve </div></div>

hey Steve, it is bright and clear. I have some optics that cost over twice as much with a little wider field of view and a slightly brighter image. I have other optics it is equal to. I'm not going to drop names on who is who and what is what because brightness and clarity is subjective to my eye. It is not necessarily what you may observe. I'm trying to be as objective as possible; but I can promise that the features versus the price is hard to beat right now. All I can say is I am a regular user of expensive shit. This optic and these rings are staying on the rig for now. You are welcome to look through it if you make the trip. I tried to take pics at max power. However, even with a Panasonic Lumix DMC-G1 12.1MP Digital Camera I could not get an image out of any of the scopes I had that accurately portrayed what I was seeing.
 
Re: Bushnell FFP Mil/Mil 6-24X50 Illum Ret

CKA,

A couple of questions / comments:

I'm surprised you were able to get a 100 yard zero with the 30moa tilt on the rings with what amounts to about 47moa in the scope. I thought the height above the bore on the AR made it tougher to use a canted base to make up for small travel on the scope, i.e., that getting the scope mounted as low to the bore axis as possible maximizes the up travel available in the scope?
Correct me if I'm wrong.

Green illumination... that's funny, because at SHOT the brass at Bushnell told me that they read all these high speed military reports that "proved" green was the superior color choice and they did the scientific research to back it up...now it's the result of designers drawing straws....haha what a crock. They had no clue and now they are doing the crawdad..whatever.

Great review BTW. These are very decent scopes in the FFP under $1000 group (not much serous company though).

Scott
 
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I don't know what to tell you Scott, maybe I got lucky. But 22 MOA was close and the extra 8 MOA with the higher set 30 MOA rings worked. I don't have a vested interest in making the scope work. However, I will admit I wanted it to work because I like the price vs. features. You are more than welcome to come shoot the my 10T with mounted optic to see for yourself. I expected to have another 2 mils with 30 MOA rings. Not as much as I did and I suspect it is due to scope height. Look at my magpull stock and the cheek weld is all the way up in the latter pics. I would say that being within .3 Mils from bottom of travel is lucky. But, with a lot of AR-10 type rifles and these rings, it may work.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LibertyOptics</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Green illumination... that's funny, because at SHOT the brass at Bushnell told me that they read all these high speed military reports that "proved" green was the superior color choice and they did the scientific research to back it up...now it's the result of designers drawing straws....haha what a crock. They had no clue and now they are doing the crawdad..whatever.

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My contact with Bushnell was a phone call. I asked and I think they gave what I believe to be an honest answer. They seem to understand the capabilities of the optic and I didn't receive a BS answer. The hogs and coyotes I kill with this may not not realize I used Operator Red or Mall Ninja Green in the reticle, but then again, I never referenced this scope as an end to ends. It is a good optic for price. As stated above, if they fix the elevation issues, it will be even better. Until then, I found a work around for my rifle that may apply to other flat top picatinny rail users.
 
Re: Bushnell FFP Mil/Mil 6-24X50 Illum Ret

CKA, great review, looks to be a very nice optic with all the goodies for under $1k. This and the PST will be on my list to investigate further in the coming months.

Any idea of the reticle subtensions? What other powers are available with FFP and mil knobs?

Thanks.
 
Re: Bushnell FFP Mil/Mil 6-24X50 Illum Ret

jasonk,

I just got the 3-12X44 FFP with the nil knobs and have to tell you that I like it. When my build is all set, waiting on action block, Im thinking of doing a comp with my Leupold 4.5-14 just for S&G. I love my Leupold but the Bushnell is a good deal for the price.
 
Re: Bushnell FFP Mil/Mil 6-24X50 Illum Ret

FWIW, I have mounted the same scope on my Savage .260 (the 6-24 X 50)

I had a 20 MOA Badger rail, the scope would not zero at 100 yds, best was 5.25 MOA high. Went to a 15 MOA Ferrell, still no zero. I ended up with a 10 MOA Ferrell base.

Yesterday I couldn't wait to try it, so I skipped out from the office (nice to be the boss) and ran 15 rounds to get my zero...I got a 3/8 x 1/2 group rite on top of the X, 5 shot group discounting my first 'flier', 4 shots were the group. So with a Mil Mil scope it's not going to get any better.

I have .80 mils left with 12.2 up, I'm a happy camper. My 1,000 yard dope is 8.8 to 9.8 depending on the load.

This whole mount issue was a dilema, but props to Frank, Bushnell and my friend Jim for their time and patience.

BTW, I love the scope.

FWIW - 'J'
 
Re: Bushnell FFP Mil/Mil 6-24X50 Illum Ret

CKA, I'm not questioning whether the rig worked as advertised, I'm just surprised it worked so perfectly. My question wasn't answered.... is not having the scope above the bore high up on a flat-top detrimental to up-travel in the scope? All else being equal.

As for Bushnell, that was a BS answer. Anyway.

I'm glad you like the EX-Rings. You are the first person I know to try them and offer a report. Kyle is good people. We just got the green light with Barrett, we are setup with them. So we will be stocking their rings very soon.

Scott
 
Re: Bushnell FFP Mil/Mil 6-24X50 Illum Ret

Scott I really don't know if I have the answer to your question, or maybe I'm not understanding what you're asking. You stock this stuff so pull one off the shelf when the ExRings come in and try it for yourself.
 
Re: Bushnell FFP Mil/Mil 6-24X50 Illum Ret

Went to the batcave (CKA Headquarters) on Saturday. Had a look at the Bushnell scope. It was a very nice surprise to see something I didnt expect. I am use to seeing the typical Bushnell hunting scopes that everyone else is. Its obvious they are trying to put out a better product and compete in a competative and higher priced market. This scope was built substantial and from the looks of it, may be a great option in the price range. The Barrett rings were very nicely built. Seriously nice construction and the adjustable MOA is something everyone is going to want. They look nice as well mounted on the AR-10. Im looking forward to taking a closer look and firing some rounds thru this rifle with this set up. Great review CKA.
 
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lol thanks, Bat Cave has a better ring to it then Gun Room.

I'll have the rifle and scope at your competition in East Texas, everyone is free to look through it and shoot it. I can show everyone how the rings work as well. With the way they pivot and use the scope to align themselves before tightening, I really think there is no need to ever lap them.
 
Re: Bushnell FFP Mil/Mil 6-24X50 Illum Ret

CKA has been talking this scope ever since he got it, with BUKAKKE aside he's a no bullshitter about what he says, our schedules have not matched up for me use it, but rest assured if he likes or dislikes something those opinions are based on facts. I.m looking foward to trying it out at distance next month at man with a girls name shoot.
 
Re: Bushnell FFP Mil/Mil 6-24X50 Illum Ret

That's a good review CKA. Have you had anytime with SWFA's 10x42 SS HD? Are they comparable? Just curious, I seen LL's review but it never hurts to have more opinions. Both of these Scopes seem like a good deal. By the way I didn't think older men knew what bukakke meant. Haha guess I was mistaken.
 
Re: Bushnell FFP Mil/Mil 6-24X50 Illum Ret

lol, how old do you think I am?


I haven't used a 10X42HD but I have heard good things about them. Lowlight and I are sworn enemies and I have defeated him in battle every time. I really do not care for him. I even broke two of his ribs once. However, his reviews are straight up in my opinion and you can trust what he says.
 
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Old enough to know better, not old enough not to do it anyway. Your in good company though.

Nice write up CKA. These scope show a lot of promise.
 
Re: Bushnell FFP Mil/Mil 6-24X50 Illum Ret

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stewart</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Does anyone remember when we all hated CKa?</div></div>

Sure, it was only about 15 minutes ago, my memory isn't that bad.
 
Re: Bushnell FFP Mil/Mil 6-24X50 Illum Ret

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stewart</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Does anyone remember when we all hated CKa? </div></div>

been surrounded by haters my whole life
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Don't you have a Mountainous Dojo tryout tonight?
 
Re: Bushnell FFP Mil/Mil 6-24X50 Illum Ret

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">been surrounded by haters my whole life
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CKA, do not make me say it.

GREAT write up on the scope. I wish I would have had a chance to look at the scope during the Cup.
 
Re: Bushnell FFP Mil/Mil 6-24X50 Illum Ret

CKA,

Your rifle took 30 MOA ring for a good zero at a hundred and the ability to reach out to 1K.

My rifle took a 10 MOA rail for the same result.

I've been trying to figure this out and the only thing I come up with is the distance of the scope center line off the bore. (My rifle has a McMillan stock, .260 caliber, Badger medium rings.) My center line is about 1.75", yours appears to be 2 1/2" or so?. Is that reasonable? Or is there another answer.

'J'
 
Re: Bushnell FFP Mil/Mil 6-24X50 Illum Ret

CKA: "After the tests, I zeroed the rifle to my standard load for this rifle which pushes the 175gr SMK at 2700fps. The POI was the same elevation as the 155gr Scenars at 2940fps at 100 yards. The available travel I had left was 8.2 mils which was just short of the needed elevation for the Scenars."

With the 175 the drop on EXBAL is about 407" at 2,700fps, 155 @ 2,940fps, drop at 336"
With the 139 the drop on EXBAL is about 400" at 2,650fps, 139 @ 2,900fps, drop at 328"

Me: 139 Scenar at 2,650fps (39.3 grains). Really good zero with .80 left, and 12.2 up, all good. With 147 grains I could get to about 2,850 or 2,900 fps. I need 9.8 to 1,000 at 2,650 and 8.8 at 147 grains

Hmm...
 
Re: Bushnell FFP Mil/Mil 6-24X50 Illum Ret

My sight above bore is significantly more on the 10T than a regular bolt gun. In fact I just measured it and it is approx 2.8"