I sent payment (USPS MO) and the trust to order my first can mid- March this year. The dealer stated, before I bought, that we could get together and I could try out the can before my stamp came back. Its been 5 1/2 months and I understand that the ATF can be slow. What bugs me though is the lack of commo. Few emails or calls returned or attempt to make good on the test-drive before my Form 4 is approved. Am I paranoid or just impatient? BTW another member at a forum I belong to is in the same predicament and is alot more vocal. I want to give benefit of the doubt on it. Is there a way to check with ATF if I am even in the system , without the silencer serial #? If not what would you do? Thanks for any guidance.
Suppressors Buying a silencer delay or?
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Re: Buying a silencer delay or?
The serial number was (or should have been) on the Form 4 you signed. Did the dealer not give you a copy of the form or a receipt?
You cannot call to check status with the serial number.
ATF is dragging their butts. Transfers are sometimes taking 7 months at this point.
The serial number was (or should have been) on the Form 4 you signed. Did the dealer not give you a copy of the form or a receipt?
You cannot call to check status with the serial number.
ATF is dragging their butts. Transfers are sometimes taking 7 months at this point.
Re: Buying a silencer delay or?
Call the ATF NFA branch at 304-616-4500, have the serial number of the suppressor; your name, and they will tell you the status...hopefully as pending. You can also ask the name of the examiner and look up information on that individual too.
I just recently received mine in four months. One question - did your dealer have the suppressor in stock or did he have to get it from somewhere else? That can add to the time line if he had to get it transferred from another dealer or manufacturer. One thing I have learned about getting a suppressor is always try to get one that is stock as that lessens the wait.
Call the ATF NFA branch at 304-616-4500, have the serial number of the suppressor; your name, and they will tell you the status...hopefully as pending. You can also ask the name of the examiner and look up information on that individual too.
I just recently received mine in four months. One question - did your dealer have the suppressor in stock or did he have to get it from somewhere else? That can add to the time line if he had to get it transferred from another dealer or manufacturer. One thing I have learned about getting a suppressor is always try to get one that is stock as that lessens the wait.
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I dont have the serial # and the seller will not respond for my requests for it.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JSTARSZ</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Call the ATF NFA branch at 304-616-4500, have the serial number of the suppressor; your name, and they will tell you the status...hopefully as pending. You can also ask the name of the examiner and look up information on that individual too.
I just recently received mine in four months. One question - did your dealer have the suppressor in stock or did he have to get it from somewhere else? That can add to the time line if he had to get it transferred from another dealer or manufacturer. One thing I have learned about getting a suppressor is always try to get one that is stock as that lessens the wait.
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I dont have the serial # and the seller will not respond for my requests for it.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JSTARSZ</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Call the ATF NFA branch at 304-616-4500, have the serial number of the suppressor; your name, and they will tell you the status...hopefully as pending. You can also ask the name of the examiner and look up information on that individual too.
I just recently received mine in four months. One question - did your dealer have the suppressor in stock or did he have to get it from somewhere else? That can add to the time line if he had to get it transferred from another dealer or manufacturer. One thing I have learned about getting a suppressor is always try to get one that is stock as that lessens the wait.
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Re: Buying a silencer delay or?
thats a bummer deal, almost all my customers have had their 4's back to me with just under a 2 month wait, hope you get ahold of your SOT, they should be more responsive than that.
thats a bummer deal, almost all my customers have had their 4's back to me with just under a 2 month wait, hope you get ahold of your SOT, they should be more responsive than that.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: skinney</div><div class="ubbcode-body">thats a bummer deal, almost all my customers have had their 4's back to me with just under a 2 month wait, hope you get ahold of your SOT, they should be more responsive than that. </div></div>
This ^, Both of my cans on a Trust completely processed in 8 weeks.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: skinney</div><div class="ubbcode-body">thats a bummer deal, almost all my customers have had their 4's back to me with just under a 2 month wait, hope you get ahold of your SOT, they should be more responsive than that. </div></div>
This ^, Both of my cans on a Trust completely processed in 8 weeks.
Re: Buying a silencer delay or?
I don't know what to say other than the next time you do this make sure you get the serial number of the item that you are buying. I am pretty sure ATF will not give you the information without the serial number but you can try it by giving them your story about the suppressor dealer not responding to your calls and all you want to know if they have received the form 4. You want to ensure that the dealer did not fraudulently sell you this suppressor. You never know.
I don't know what to say other than the next time you do this make sure you get the serial number of the item that you are buying. I am pretty sure ATF will not give you the information without the serial number but you can try it by giving them your story about the suppressor dealer not responding to your calls and all you want to know if they have received the form 4. You want to ensure that the dealer did not fraudulently sell you this suppressor. You never know.
Re: Buying a silencer delay or?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BookHound</div><div class="ubbcode-body">.
ATF is dragging their butts. Transfers are sometimes taking 7 months at this point. </div></div>
I sent my Form 4 and trust paperwork in and was received June 3, 2010. Was approved 08/04/2010. Had my stamp in hand and my AAC Cyclone 08/16/2010
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BookHound</div><div class="ubbcode-body">.
ATF is dragging their butts. Transfers are sometimes taking 7 months at this point. </div></div>
I sent my Form 4 and trust paperwork in and was received June 3, 2010. Was approved 08/04/2010. Had my stamp in hand and my AAC Cyclone 08/16/2010
Re: Buying a silencer delay or?
Did you sign the Form 4? I am pretty sure you have to sign one before sending it in. The ATF is slow, but if you have done a couple of transfers, you will know what all that is needed for the transfer. And as a general rule, we always provide a copy of the F4 to the customer and phone number if they are so inclined to call and check their status. Most of the time, the customer will send in the F4. That way, they know when it was sent in and where to.
Did you sign the Form 4? I am pretty sure you have to sign one before sending it in. The ATF is slow, but if you have done a couple of transfers, you will know what all that is needed for the transfer. And as a general rule, we always provide a copy of the F4 to the customer and phone number if they are so inclined to call and check their status. Most of the time, the customer will send in the F4. That way, they know when it was sent in and where to.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lostangel</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BookHound</div><div class="ubbcode-body">.
ATF is dragging their butts. Transfers are sometimes taking 7 months at this point. </div></div>
I sent my Form 4 and trust paperwork in and was received June 3, 2010. Was approved 08/04/2010. Had my stamp in hand and my AAC Cyclone 08/16/2010 </div></div>
And other guys are just now getting forms back from February. There is no rhyme or reason to it other than some examiners are faster than others.
You REALLY want to laugh? A friend and I both dropped four Form 4s in the mail the same day back in February. The same examiner approved all eight forms. My buddy got his SIX WEEKS later. Mine just got here two weeks ago. All transfers were from the same dealer. All transfers were to Trusts. The suppressor models were the same. The checks were cashed the same day. Everything went pending same day. His took six weeks. Mine took six months.
Figure that one out.
ATF will NOT give out any info without the serial number.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lostangel</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BookHound</div><div class="ubbcode-body">.
ATF is dragging their butts. Transfers are sometimes taking 7 months at this point. </div></div>
I sent my Form 4 and trust paperwork in and was received June 3, 2010. Was approved 08/04/2010. Had my stamp in hand and my AAC Cyclone 08/16/2010 </div></div>
And other guys are just now getting forms back from February. There is no rhyme or reason to it other than some examiners are faster than others.
You REALLY want to laugh? A friend and I both dropped four Form 4s in the mail the same day back in February. The same examiner approved all eight forms. My buddy got his SIX WEEKS later. Mine just got here two weeks ago. All transfers were from the same dealer. All transfers were to Trusts. The suppressor models were the same. The checks were cashed the same day. Everything went pending same day. His took six weeks. Mine took six months.
Figure that one out.
ATF will NOT give out any info without the serial number.
Re: Buying a silencer delay or?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bacarrat</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Did you sign the Form 4? I am pretty sure you have to sign one before sending it in. The ATF is slow, but if you have done a couple of transfers, you will know what all that is needed for the transfer. And as a general rule, we always provide a copy of the F4 to the customer and phone number if they are so inclined to call and check their status. Most of the time, the customer will send in the F4. That way, they know when it was sent in and where to. </div></div>
The ATF will approve Trust transfers for suppressors without a customer signature.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bacarrat</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Did you sign the Form 4? I am pretty sure you have to sign one before sending it in. The ATF is slow, but if you have done a couple of transfers, you will know what all that is needed for the transfer. And as a general rule, we always provide a copy of the F4 to the customer and phone number if they are so inclined to call and check their status. Most of the time, the customer will send in the F4. That way, they know when it was sent in and where to. </div></div>
The ATF will approve Trust transfers for suppressors without a customer signature.
Re: Buying a silencer delay or?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427Cobra</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Tom did you buy a Shark? </div></div> Nope. Wish I had the coin to afford a Shark can!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427Cobra</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Tom did you buy a Shark? </div></div> Nope. Wish I had the coin to afford a Shark can!
Re: Buying a silencer delay or?
[/quote] I sent my Form 4 and trust paperwork in and was received June 3, 2010. Was approved 08/04/2010. Had my stamp in hand and my AAC Cyclone 08/16/2010 [/quote]
Just for everyone's information:
Form 4 sent on May28th
Check cashed on June 2nd.
Approved on August 23rd ( too excited to ask which examiner )
Will pick up Saturday ( Sept. 4th )
Not too shabby.
[/quote] I sent my Form 4 and trust paperwork in and was received June 3, 2010. Was approved 08/04/2010. Had my stamp in hand and my AAC Cyclone 08/16/2010 [/quote]
Just for everyone's information:
Form 4 sent on May28th
Check cashed on June 2nd.
Approved on August 23rd ( too excited to ask which examiner )
Will pick up Saturday ( Sept. 4th )
Not too shabby.
Re: Buying a silencer delay or?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BookHound</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bacarrat</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Did you sign the Form 4? I am pretty sure you have to sign one before sending it in. The ATF is slow, but if you have done a couple of transfers, you will know what all that is needed for the transfer. And as a general rule, we always provide a copy of the F4 to the customer and phone number if they are so inclined to call and check their status. Most of the time, the customer will send in the F4. That way, they know when it was sent in and where to. </div></div>
The ATF will approve Trust transfers for suppressors without a customer signature. </div></div>
Must be the examiner because I have personally handled 3 transfers in which they came back because the grantor of the trust DID NOT sign the form 4. They all have to be signed was the answer I received when calling into the NFA branch.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BookHound</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bacarrat</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Did you sign the Form 4? I am pretty sure you have to sign one before sending it in. The ATF is slow, but if you have done a couple of transfers, you will know what all that is needed for the transfer. And as a general rule, we always provide a copy of the F4 to the customer and phone number if they are so inclined to call and check their status. Most of the time, the customer will send in the F4. That way, they know when it was sent in and where to. </div></div>
The ATF will approve Trust transfers for suppressors without a customer signature. </div></div>
Must be the examiner because I have personally handled 3 transfers in which they came back because the grantor of the trust DID NOT sign the form 4. They all have to be signed was the answer I received when calling into the NFA branch.
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I got the serial # from the dealer. Called ATF to check status, and was told that the serial # came back as asigned to the dealer and no sign of any tranfer taking place. He states he mailed the form in on April 11 and per Nichole (ATF) transfers should show pending status no later than 60 days after the Form 4 is received. Per the dealer, theyve had it for over 180 days.
I got the serial # from the dealer. Called ATF to check status, and was told that the serial # came back as asigned to the dealer and no sign of any tranfer taking place. He states he mailed the form in on April 11 and per Nichole (ATF) transfers should show pending status no later than 60 days after the Form 4 is received. Per the dealer, theyve had it for over 180 days.
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Sounds like the forms are either lost or the dealer is not being completely truthful. I've been getting transfers back in 2-3 months and others are going 4 months or so but 5 months is a bit long. On the other hand if the dealer had to get the can transferred to him first there goes another month. If you didn't sign the form 4 than it will come back to him for your signature. Also if you didn't sign it maybe he hasn't sent it.....?
Frank
Sounds like the forms are either lost or the dealer is not being completely truthful. I've been getting transfers back in 2-3 months and others are going 4 months or so but 5 months is a bit long. On the other hand if the dealer had to get the can transferred to him first there goes another month. If you didn't sign the form 4 than it will come back to him for your signature. Also if you didn't sign it maybe he hasn't sent it.....?
Frank
Re: Buying a silencer delay or?
I definitely didnt sign the form 4. He stated that I didnt need to sign because it was a trust transfer. The silencer was supposed to be in stock when I payed him.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: biffj</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sounds like the forms are either lost or the dealer is not being completely truthful. I've been getting transfers back in 2-3 months and others are going 4 months or so but 5 months is a bit long. On the other hand if the dealer had to get the can transferred to him first there goes another month. If you didn't sign the form 4 than it will come back to him for your signature. Also if you didn't sign it maybe he hasn't sent it.....?
Frank </div></div>
I definitely didnt sign the form 4. He stated that I didnt need to sign because it was a trust transfer. The silencer was supposed to be in stock when I payed him.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: biffj</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sounds like the forms are either lost or the dealer is not being completely truthful. I've been getting transfers back in 2-3 months and others are going 4 months or so but 5 months is a bit long. On the other hand if the dealer had to get the can transferred to him first there goes another month. If you didn't sign the form 4 than it will come back to him for your signature. Also if you didn't sign it maybe he hasn't sent it.....?
Frank </div></div>
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That does sound a bit fishy. Trusts need to be signed just like any other forms and when you pick it up you will have to sign the 4473 and fill it out too. I think I'd be on this guy and ask him for a copy of the form 4 he sent in?. You should get a copy of the form anytime you are having something transferred. That gives you something to refer to if you need to check with NFA branch and also a record of serial numbers etc. I give copies of the forms to all my customers even if the guns are being transferred through a dealer to them.
hope that helps some.
Frank
That does sound a bit fishy. Trusts need to be signed just like any other forms and when you pick it up you will have to sign the 4473 and fill it out too. I think I'd be on this guy and ask him for a copy of the form 4 he sent in?. You should get a copy of the form anytime you are having something transferred. That gives you something to refer to if you need to check with NFA branch and also a record of serial numbers etc. I give copies of the forms to all my customers even if the guns are being transferred through a dealer to them.
hope that helps some.
Frank
Re: Buying a silencer delay or?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: biffj</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That does sound a bit fishy. Trusts need to be signed just like any other forms and when you pick it up you will have to sign the 4473 and fill it out too. I think I'd be on this guy and ask him for a copy of the form 4 he sent in?. You should get a copy of the form anytime you are having something transferred. That gives you something to refer to if you need to check with NFA branch and also a record of serial numbers etc. I give copies of the forms to all my customers even if the guns are being transferred through a dealer to them.
hope that helps some.
Frank </div></div>
How will he provide a copy of the form 4 if he sent them in? Serial number should be cataloged in your "exhibit A" when you send in your trust paperwork.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: biffj</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That does sound a bit fishy. Trusts need to be signed just like any other forms and when you pick it up you will have to sign the 4473 and fill it out too. I think I'd be on this guy and ask him for a copy of the form 4 he sent in?. You should get a copy of the form anytime you are having something transferred. That gives you something to refer to if you need to check with NFA branch and also a record of serial numbers etc. I give copies of the forms to all my customers even if the guns are being transferred through a dealer to them.
hope that helps some.
Frank </div></div>
How will he provide a copy of the form 4 if he sent them in? Serial number should be cataloged in your "exhibit A" when you send in your trust paperwork.
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He should make an extra copy of the form 4 for the customer. I make them up in the computer as pdf files so I can print out however many are needed....2 to send off to NFA and one for the customer so he has all the info. In the worst case it should be possible to xerox a copy for the customer. I realize all dealers don't do this but it helps the customer feel like he's being taken care of. The customer has a right to ask for this information too. It is his transfer and he's paying for it.
Frank
He should make an extra copy of the form 4 for the customer. I make them up in the computer as pdf files so I can print out however many are needed....2 to send off to NFA and one for the customer so he has all the info. In the worst case it should be possible to xerox a copy for the customer. I realize all dealers don't do this but it helps the customer feel like he's being taken care of. The customer has a right to ask for this information too. It is his transfer and he's paying for it.
Frank
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Match308</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427Cobra</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Tom did you buy a Shark? </div></div> Nope. Wish I had the coin to afford a Shark can! </div></div>
I felt the same way about the coin part. However after looking at the cost of dealer transfer and the continuing complaints from other buyers about the other manufacturers, I saved a little longer and bought the shark. Went to Davids place and did it all in his office. No dealer to dealer transfer and it was done in minutes. The extra cost for the best can is well worth the value of not dealing with the type bullshit you have to deal with in your current situation. It sucks and I hope your problem comes to a successful end soon.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Match308</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427Cobra</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Tom did you buy a Shark? </div></div> Nope. Wish I had the coin to afford a Shark can! </div></div>
I felt the same way about the coin part. However after looking at the cost of dealer transfer and the continuing complaints from other buyers about the other manufacturers, I saved a little longer and bought the shark. Went to Davids place and did it all in his office. No dealer to dealer transfer and it was done in minutes. The extra cost for the best can is well worth the value of not dealing with the type bullshit you have to deal with in your current situation. It sucks and I hope your problem comes to a successful end soon.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: biffj</div><div class="ubbcode-body">He should make an extra copy of the form 4 for the customer. I make them up in the computer as pdf files so I can print out however many are needed....2 to send off to NFA and one for the customer so he has all the info. In the worst case it should be possible to xerox a copy for the customer. I realize all dealers don't do this but it helps the customer feel like he's being taken care of. The customer has a right to ask for this information too. It is his transfer and he's paying for it.
Frank
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I would just be weary of someone storing who knows how many form 4's on his computer. If that computer was ever stolen you could see a world of trouble. One, because you let your customers personal information out and two the ATF might have something to say about all that being stored in a accessible place.
But that is my own personal opinion. I copy my form 4's (but never leave doubles anywhere) and copies stay with each rifle. The originals are put into plastic sleeves and filed away in a safe.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: biffj</div><div class="ubbcode-body">He should make an extra copy of the form 4 for the customer. I make them up in the computer as pdf files so I can print out however many are needed....2 to send off to NFA and one for the customer so he has all the info. In the worst case it should be possible to xerox a copy for the customer. I realize all dealers don't do this but it helps the customer feel like he's being taken care of. The customer has a right to ask for this information too. It is his transfer and he's paying for it.
Frank
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I would just be weary of someone storing who knows how many form 4's on his computer. If that computer was ever stolen you could see a world of trouble. One, because you let your customers personal information out and two the ATF might have something to say about all that being stored in a accessible place.
But that is my own personal opinion. I copy my form 4's (but never leave doubles anywhere) and copies stay with each rifle. The originals are put into plastic sleeves and filed away in a safe.
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I understand what you're saying about the computer storage but the computer is not accessible as its in the alarmed shop with protection on the computer as well. It has no internet access or networks of any kind. Its no more accessible than the 4473 files which are kept in the locked fireproof safe which also have all that personal data required by the feds. Bound book is the same. If anything the computer is a bit safer than the hard copies anymore. Since ATF requires us to keep all these copies of all that paperwork I don't think they can really complain about it being stored. I for one would prefer we didn't need the forms in any way. Not likely to happen though.
Frank
I understand what you're saying about the computer storage but the computer is not accessible as its in the alarmed shop with protection on the computer as well. It has no internet access or networks of any kind. Its no more accessible than the 4473 files which are kept in the locked fireproof safe which also have all that personal data required by the feds. Bound book is the same. If anything the computer is a bit safer than the hard copies anymore. Since ATF requires us to keep all these copies of all that paperwork I don't think they can really complain about it being stored. I for one would prefer we didn't need the forms in any way. Not likely to happen though.
Frank
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: biffj</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I understand what you're saying about the computer storage but the computer is not accessible as its in the alarmed shop with protection on the computer as well. It has no internet access or networks of any kind. Its no more accessible than the 4473 files which are kept in the locked fireproof safe which also have all that personal data required by the feds. Bound book is the same. If anything the computer is a bit safer than the hard copies anymore. Since ATF requires us to keep all these copies of all that paperwork I don't think they can really complain about it being stored. I for one would prefer we didn't need the forms in any way. Not likely to happen though.
Frank </div></div>
I also hope you have hard copy backups - computers crash - a lot.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: biffj</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I understand what you're saying about the computer storage but the computer is not accessible as its in the alarmed shop with protection on the computer as well. It has no internet access or networks of any kind. Its no more accessible than the 4473 files which are kept in the locked fireproof safe which also have all that personal data required by the feds. Bound book is the same. If anything the computer is a bit safer than the hard copies anymore. Since ATF requires us to keep all these copies of all that paperwork I don't think they can really complain about it being stored. I for one would prefer we didn't need the forms in any way. Not likely to happen though.
Frank </div></div>
I also hope you have hard copy backups - computers crash - a lot.
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yep, the hard copies are locked up with the 4473's. What a pain to store all that crap. Most of my work is repair and small manufacturing so most of my transfers are form 3's where there are no 4473's. I feel sorry for the big shops that do thousands of transfers a year. They need a shop the size of mine every year to store all their paperwork....
Frank
yep, the hard copies are locked up with the 4473's. What a pain to store all that crap. Most of my work is repair and small manufacturing so most of my transfers are form 3's where there are no 4473's. I feel sorry for the big shops that do thousands of transfers a year. They need a shop the size of mine every year to store all their paperwork....
Frank
