I saw a reply to my last post for a minute and then it was gone. Please don't take my replies to your posts as a personal attack, I believe a lot of the same things as you, maybe not so much the proposed methods though. I know your original was tongue and cheek but I am often amazed and upset by some of the proposals I see here fairly regularly about what people think is the right thing to do about states like California, and some people are dead serious about it regardless of the fact that there are literally tens of millions of people in these states that feel as strongly as they do, we just happened to be outnumbered. A lot of people will instinctively say "then get out", but where to run too? Even states like Texas and Arizona are feeling the blue cancer that is spreading, and it's not just California transplants that are spreading it, our entire education system is compromised. In every city and town there are people indoctrinating our children into their world view, maybe we should think about finding a solution to this problem before we think about isolating a huge segment of American citizens because of their geographic location. Or I have another even crazier idea...it would only take 4-5 million more Conservative voters to turn the state of California and deny the Democrats 55 electoral college votes. Why can't we get that many people who supposedly care so much to put their money where their mouths are and do it, liberals are doing it because they have people that are actually committed to their cause and because of that they are slowly winning. Liberal politicians have actually encouraged their base to infiltrate red cities and states in order to flip them, when was the last time a conservative told their constituents to do something as bold as that? Would any listen? Are we losing the war for our country because of an unwillingness to actually commit to action that might make a difference? Or are we just a bunch of old men who sit around on the internet pointing fingers and not actually doing something about the problem? The military taught me to fight wars from the front line, not keep retreating until there is no place left to retreat too. How many states have to fall to the blue cancer before there's no place left to hide? Will everyone who believes in the constitution be forced into one state in the future? Which state will it be? Does anyone think that is a winnable tactical or strategic position to be in? I just can't see it. I know i'm rambling on but I see a whole lot of people with ideas on how to "fix" our country, but in reality I see very few willing to make any sacrifices of their own to make it happen, and that folks is how we will eventually lose this war, IMO.