Looking for some opinions on what is the tougher finish that will last the longest without damaging too easy?
Justin
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Gunsmithing Cerakote or Duracoat or ???
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Re: Cerakote or Duracoat or ???
Cerakote is tough stuff. Even 1 hour after it is applied, its stronger than most other spray on finishes.
Cerakote is tough stuff. Even 1 hour after it is applied, its stronger than most other spray on finishes.
Re: Cerakote or Duracoat or ???
DuraCoat if you are doing a paint job with overlaying multiple colors. It's a lot easer to work with. Metal prep is the key to a lasting finish.
Cerakote is a bit tricky to work with but provides a great finish.
DuraCoat if you are doing a paint job with overlaying multiple colors. It's a lot easer to work with. Metal prep is the key to a lasting finish.
Cerakote is a bit tricky to work with but provides a great finish.
Re: Cerakote or Duracoat or ???
if you are planning a ONE COLOR application i say Cerakote all the way.
If you are planning a camo application...i would suggest Cerakote for a base coat and multi layers of duracoat.
Duracoat is much less expensive and has WAY MORE COLORS...but still use the cerakote for your base due to is durability.
if you are planning a ONE COLOR application i say Cerakote all the way.
If you are planning a camo application...i would suggest Cerakote for a base coat and multi layers of duracoat.
Duracoat is much less expensive and has WAY MORE COLORS...but still use the cerakote for your base due to is durability.
Re: Cerakote or Duracoat or ???
where could one send a rifle/ shotgun to get cerakoted? I know I could just google it but I figured while I'm here maybe someone can point me to a good place that they have experiance with.
Thanks
where could one send a rifle/ shotgun to get cerakoted? I know I could just google it but I figured while I'm here maybe someone can point me to a good place that they have experiance with.
Thanks
Re: Cerakote or Duracoat or ???
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mr06</div><div class="ubbcode-body">where could one send a rifle/ shotgun to get cerakoted? I know I could just google it but I figured while I'm here maybe someone can point me to a good place that they have experiance with.
Thanks </div></div>
tons of guys here will do it for a price...but if you just want one color...it's not hard to do yourself. I had no experience when i decided to do my AR. Just follow the directions and give attention to detail. if you want a good camo job...im sure by morning, you will have 4-5 suggestions of dudes that can give you superb work.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mr06</div><div class="ubbcode-body">where could one send a rifle/ shotgun to get cerakoted? I know I could just google it but I figured while I'm here maybe someone can point me to a good place that they have experiance with.
Thanks </div></div>
tons of guys here will do it for a price...but if you just want one color...it's not hard to do yourself. I had no experience when i decided to do my AR. Just follow the directions and give attention to detail. if you want a good camo job...im sure by morning, you will have 4-5 suggestions of dudes that can give you superb work.
Re: Cerakote or Duracoat or ???
Mr06, Mark Gordon did a beautiful Cerakote job on my 22-250. I used mil-spec green. I had never had one painted & am pleased - understand it is very tough. very flat finish.
Mark "Short Action" Gordon
Short Action Customs
Precision Rifle and AR-15 services
(440) 309-0085
[email protected]
Good luck!
Mr06, Mark Gordon did a beautiful Cerakote job on my 22-250. I used mil-spec green. I had never had one painted & am pleased - understand it is very tough. very flat finish.
Mark "Short Action" Gordon
Short Action Customs
Precision Rifle and AR-15 services
(440) 309-0085
[email protected]
Good luck!
Re: Cerakote or Duracoat or ???
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: c_bass16</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mr06</div><div class="ubbcode-body">where could one send a rifle/ shotgun to get cerakoted? I know I could just google it but I figured while I'm here maybe someone can point me to a good place that they have experience with.
Thanks </div></div>
tons of guys here will do it for a price...but if you just want one color...it's not hard to do yourself. I had no experience when i decided to do my AR. Just follow the directions and give attention to detail. if you want a good camo job...im sure by morning, you will have 4-5 suggestions of dudes that can give you superb work. </div></div>
Thanks. I just wanted to get a flat black done on my shotgun (my first gun so its kinda sentimental to me) and being a NEF the finish isn't the greatest. I think I'll look into doing it myself and of it looks a bit more then I can do I'll have someone do it.
thanks
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: c_bass16</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mr06</div><div class="ubbcode-body">where could one send a rifle/ shotgun to get cerakoted? I know I could just google it but I figured while I'm here maybe someone can point me to a good place that they have experience with.
Thanks </div></div>
tons of guys here will do it for a price...but if you just want one color...it's not hard to do yourself. I had no experience when i decided to do my AR. Just follow the directions and give attention to detail. if you want a good camo job...im sure by morning, you will have 4-5 suggestions of dudes that can give you superb work. </div></div>
Thanks. I just wanted to get a flat black done on my shotgun (my first gun so its kinda sentimental to me) and being a NEF the finish isn't the greatest. I think I'll look into doing it myself and of it looks a bit more then I can do I'll have someone do it.
thanks
Re: Cerakote or Duracoat or ???
I primarily use cerakote for all of the coatings that I apply. I still offer duracoat and I do some KG too. I've found that cerakote is best. I personally would just run cerakote for everything regardless of the amount of colors. There is no chemical that I know of that will harm cerakote. When I have a duracoated item that needs stripping I just drop it in a bucket of brakleen and wait 20-40 minutes and then just wipe it off with a rag. I have yet to have a chipping issue with any cerakote applied to metal. It will chip on things like butler creek caps, but that is about all that I've experienced. Cerakote is a bit more involved than duracoat if you are planning on doing it yourself, but the finish is much better. If you want to DIY you may want to check out KGs air cure stuff. If you don't have access to an oven you can go with cerakote air cure, but it is not as good as the heat cure, but still superior to the other like brands out there.
I primarily use cerakote for all of the coatings that I apply. I still offer duracoat and I do some KG too. I've found that cerakote is best. I personally would just run cerakote for everything regardless of the amount of colors. There is no chemical that I know of that will harm cerakote. When I have a duracoated item that needs stripping I just drop it in a bucket of brakleen and wait 20-40 minutes and then just wipe it off with a rag. I have yet to have a chipping issue with any cerakote applied to metal. It will chip on things like butler creek caps, but that is about all that I've experienced. Cerakote is a bit more involved than duracoat if you are planning on doing it yourself, but the finish is much better. If you want to DIY you may want to check out KGs air cure stuff. If you don't have access to an oven you can go with cerakote air cure, but it is not as good as the heat cure, but still superior to the other like brands out there.
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I've had good luck also with Norrels Molycoat. It seems to go on very thin and I haven't had any durability issues. Like some one said prep is key issue. I've tried bake on CeraKote and it more difficult to apply. Most of the bake on finishes are somewhat dry when you put them in the oven but the CeraKote is still wet which you have to be very careful not to touch the surface. All in all I prefer the air dry Cerakote. Very flat finsh also
I've had good luck also with Norrels Molycoat. It seems to go on very thin and I haven't had any durability issues. Like some one said prep is key issue. I've tried bake on CeraKote and it more difficult to apply. Most of the bake on finishes are somewhat dry when you put them in the oven but the CeraKote is still wet which you have to be very careful not to touch the surface. All in all I prefer the air dry Cerakote. Very flat finsh also
Re: Cerakote or Duracoat or ???
Everything but Ceracoat is just glorified paint, and is not worth the trouble over Krylon, IMO.
Ceracoat is different, MUCH harder and more chem. resistant.
Everything but Ceracoat is just glorified paint, and is not worth the trouble over Krylon, IMO.
Ceracoat is different, MUCH harder and more chem. resistant.
Re: Cerakote or Duracoat or ???
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hellbender</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Everything but Ceracoat is just glorified paint, and is not worth the trouble over Krylon, IMO.
Ceracoat is different, MUCH harder and more chem. resistant.
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I would have to agree with this. I thought Aluma-Hyde II was some tuff stuff, but I changed my mind as I watched Wipe Out foam melt it away like nothing. Same experiance with Duracoat, just glorified paint. I had a AK coated with Cerakote, boy was it some tuff stuff. I banged that rifle around like nothing, it was an AK after all, and not a single chip.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hellbender</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Everything but Ceracoat is just glorified paint, and is not worth the trouble over Krylon, IMO.
Ceracoat is different, MUCH harder and more chem. resistant.
</div></div>
I would have to agree with this. I thought Aluma-Hyde II was some tuff stuff, but I changed my mind as I watched Wipe Out foam melt it away like nothing. Same experiance with Duracoat, just glorified paint. I had a AK coated with Cerakote, boy was it some tuff stuff. I banged that rifle around like nothing, it was an AK after all, and not a single chip.
Re: Cerakote or Duracoat or ???
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: USMCj</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hellbender</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Everything but Ceracoat is just glorified paint, and is not worth the trouble over Krylon, IMO.
Ceracoat is different, MUCH harder and more chem. resistant.
</div></div>
I would have to agree with this. I thought Aluma-Hyde II was some tuff stuff, but I changed my mind as I watched Wipe Out foam melt it away like nothing. Same experiance with Duracoat, just glorified paint. I had a AK coated with Cerakote, boy was it some tuff stuff. I banged that rifle around like nothing, it was an AK after all, and not a single chip.</div></div>
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: USMCj</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hellbender</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Everything but Ceracoat is just glorified paint, and is not worth the trouble over Krylon, IMO.
Ceracoat is different, MUCH harder and more chem. resistant.
</div></div>
I would have to agree with this. I thought Aluma-Hyde II was some tuff stuff, but I changed my mind as I watched Wipe Out foam melt it away like nothing. Same experiance with Duracoat, just glorified paint. I had a AK coated with Cerakote, boy was it some tuff stuff. I banged that rifle around like nothing, it was an AK after all, and not a single chip.</div></div>
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Re: Cerakote or Duracoat or ???
I’ve used the ceramic coatings in the past, but Balzer’s Titanium Nitride (I believe they call it WC/C) is the best I’ve seen and the one I currently have put on my “all weather” rifles.
It’s about 2-microns thick, Rockwells at some ridiculously hard number, and I can’t imagine what you would have to do to it to make it chip or peel.
The ceramic coatings aren’t even in this ballpark in terms of durability. The downside is the price. It’s a vapor deposition coating and costs about $400 per rifle, but it’s worth every penny. It only comes in a dark grey color.
It's on all the metal here (titanium action, chromoly barrel and rings)
I’ve used the ceramic coatings in the past, but Balzer’s Titanium Nitride (I believe they call it WC/C) is the best I’ve seen and the one I currently have put on my “all weather” rifles.
It’s about 2-microns thick, Rockwells at some ridiculously hard number, and I can’t imagine what you would have to do to it to make it chip or peel.
The ceramic coatings aren’t even in this ballpark in terms of durability. The downside is the price. It’s a vapor deposition coating and costs about $400 per rifle, but it’s worth every penny. It only comes in a dark grey color.
It's on all the metal here (titanium action, chromoly barrel and rings)
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I cant believe <span style="font-weight: bold">Birdsong</span> was not mentioned in this thread yet.
I cant believe <span style="font-weight: bold">Birdsong</span> was not mentioned in this thread yet.
Re: Cerakote or Duracoat or ???
cerakote...............
Air dry will chip. Oven cure will NOT chip. It will scratch but so will everyting else.
Polane is my #2 pick. I have soaked parts painted in my paint in every type of cleaner and solvent. It wont come off once its fully cured
cerakote...............
Air dry will chip. Oven cure will NOT chip. It will scratch but so will everyting else.
Polane is my #2 pick. I have soaked parts painted in my paint in every type of cleaner and solvent. It wont come off once its fully cured
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