Chassis system for Anschutz?

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Pursuant to another thread, I'm poking around, looking for a chassis system to drop an older Anschutz Match 54 action into. Single shot.

I looked at the XLR - which makes a pretty sexy dress up for the CZ. But Anschutz... no such luck.

It's just gonna be a shooter. Nothing that will necessarily make sense to anyone but me. So no criticisms of the idea. I do what I want. 🤫
 

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    There may be something out there but the only stocks/chassis I'm aware of are made for the 1710/1712 type repeater actions. Now if you have the same receive bolt pattern the it should work in those. The ones I'm aware of are the one made by XLR for Anschutz and the MDT.

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    I bought the MDT also and found it to end up a pretty nice setup. You will have to buy a separate buttstock and, to have a proper connection to the buffer tube, you need an additional part/collar which is another 60 or so $$. I bought the Dark Earth and my buttstock is a noticeably different color. Not to bad but if you are a Felix Unger type it will bug you...

    I ended up with a GRS after all is said and done. It's a beast but really nice.
     

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    I checked with XLR, and they said no... Never made an inlet for Anschutz.
     

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    Bolt pattern is exactly the same for the action that I have, and the repeaters. I have one of them in a McMillan that was inletted for a 54 repeater.
     

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    1710 - 1712 are different than any other bolt patterns. 54 - MSR, Single shot MR and most every other 54 action will not fit the XLR Element 3 nor the MDT. Action bolts are different and the trigger areas are different.ansch-tz-actions_orig.jpg
     
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    If memory serves, that version of the 54 action had a tang behind the bolt that was more like a traditional bolt action.

    EDIT: I see your edit, and I see that I was correct. That pic is actually missing the action that I have, though.
     
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    Not sure if this would work....

    Nope. Matt over at XLR said they've never even gotten a request for an Anschutz. I looked through their inlet request list before inquiring, and sure enough, just about everything except an Anschutz.

    There is nothing Anschutz for an XLR chassis. I asked how close the bolt pattern for my Anschutz was to a CZ that they had an inlet for, but he couldn't tell me. And quite frankly, I've never even seen a CZ with my own eyes.
     

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    Nope. Matt over at XLR said they've never even gotten a request for an Anschutz. I looked through their inlet request list before inquiring, and sure enough, just about everything except an Anschutz.

    There is nothing Anschutz for an XLR chassis. I asked how close the bolt pattern for my Anschutz was to a CZ that they had an inlet for, but he couldn't tell me. And quite frankly, I've never even seen a CZ with my own eyes.
    Matt may have been right about there being no XLR 54 match action (single shot) chassis. No doubt it wouldn't be nearly as much in demand as one for an Anschutz repeater in the 17xx series. For those interested in a chassis for a 1710, it would seem that there is or was an XLR 1710 chassis (that would also fit a 1712).







     

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    Well that's pretty much exactly what I want. But it won't fit, and it ain't available. :LOL:
     

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    Also, that's really friggin' expensive, just for wearing the Anschutz name... That's basically the same chassis that costs $400 from the XLR website.

    Thanks for posting that. The nice thing about knowing that exists, is that there's a good chance that if I can find one, I can make it work.
     

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    1710 - 1712 are different than any other bolt patterns. 54 - MSR, Single shot MR and most every other 54 action will not fit the XLR Element 3 nor the MDT. Action bolts are different and the trigger areas are different.View attachment 7530555

    Echoing what Merlin said and adding to it a little. Pay attention to what action you have and use this as a guide, but note you can add the 18 series (1807, 1813, & 1827B), 54.18 MSR (both single shot and repeater, can be denoted as MS, MSR, or MS-R) of match actions to the 1913/1907 column. Also not the new “match 54“ repeaters fall under the 1710/1712 bolt pattern with the sandwich style recoil lug. Meaning there are some Match 54 repeaters that are the same bolt pattern as the 1907/1913 actions that do not have an action recoil lug but rather a recoil tenon, and there are Match 54 that are completely different.
     

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    The 54 single shot Actions are typically used for prone and 3P Olympic-style shooting, and more recently RF F-Class. I doubt that you will find a "tactical" style chassis for this action. As has been noted, tactical style chassis are generally used with repeaters.

    That said, you could look here:


    Or here:

     

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    Echoing what Merlin said and adding to it a little. Pay attention to what action you have and use this as a guide, but note you can add the 18 series (1807, 1813, & 1827B), 54.18 MSR (both single shot and repeater, can be denoted as MS, MSR, or MS-R) of match actions to the 1913/1907 column. Also not the new “match 54“ repeaters fall under the 1710/1712 bolt pattern with the sandwich style recoil lug. Meaning there are some Match 54 repeaters that are the same bolt pattern as the 1907/1913 actions that do not have an action recoil lug but rather a recoil tenon, and there are Match 54 that are completely different.
    Yep, I know this for sure. Most of the Anschutz 54 target rifles have a diameter and pattern that mirrors that of the 54.30 (this one certainly does) That includes the 1413 actions, also - of which mine is one.
     
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    The 54 single shot Actions are typically used for prone and 3P Olympic-style shooting, and more recently RF F-Class. I doubt that you will find a "tactical" style chassis for this action. As has been noted, tactical style chassis are generally used with repeaters.

    That said, you could look here:


    Or here:

    Sure, but if there was a chassis made to fit a 54.17 MSR, for example, I'd be able to use it. The rear of the action would be a little funny, but that's OK The bolts are both ahead of the trigger, anyway.
     

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    I have seen people inlet a flat top stock for the Anschutz 54 and Mark Cheseboro was doing a repeater conversion with cz mags which was the best way to go a few years ago. But Mike Bush changed all of that, the juice just isn't worth the squeeze anymore...
     

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    Yeah, I looked into doing the 54R conversion. For about 10 years. Just never could decide to go forward. It's kind of a nasty affair.
     

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    have you checked out the Elesio chassis yet?

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    Looks like a good solution for @Solid7 but I don't understand the desire for a tactical stock on an Anny or any other single shot RF action, but I'm probably missing something - happens often, lol...
    Not necessarily "tactical"....but a tube gun chassis are popular in 3p and prone disciplines.

    Then guys also like to build tactical trainers of their center-fire rigs
     

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    I'm not competing, and I'm not really "hunting", per se. It's just a purely indulgent project. One of my old actions was rebarreled to 17HM2, and the other is potentially about to become 17HMR. Chassis are comfortable to shoot from a fixed position. That's all.

    In my ideal scenario, it would have been the XLR. For some reason, that one just seems to make sense.
     

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    The XLR 1710 chassis price is not in USD. It would have been less expensive in the US than the pricing shown in the images above.

    If a shooter was determined to get a repeating Anschutz Match 54, there was a model, the 1907 Repeater.



    While these are probably not easy to find, the Anschutz biathlon models -- all repeaters -- might be worth considering. Alternatively, there's the 1927F, developed for CISM disciplines. It comes with a ten round magazine. It's expensive but it's one of the most accurate stock repeaters available.



    It's unlikely that there are any chassis made for these rifles due to an absence of demand.

    As a alternative to the XLR 1710 chassis, shooters of the Anschutz 17xx series rifles may consider the GRS stocks.



    For anyone considering an Elesio chassis, keep in mind that it requires some level of commitment. The installation of the barreled action in the chassis involves some near permanent steps relating to epoxying a sleeve to the barrel. See the images below.



     

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    this one doesn't look very will built for $1K. Also looks like a bitch to get the bolt in and out of it.
    Admittedly i dont have a ton of experience with them.....but when i was checking them out a few years ago, they did seem exceptionally well made....and if i recall, the stock is a quick detach with a thumb screw, so getting the bolt out is pretty easy.

    but as the poster above me stated, they do require a bit of a commitment.

    and whether they are worth $1K or not, i cant say... but given its intended market, its not the most expensive by a long shot, hell, i think my anschutz precise stock cost around $2K at the time.....but if you arent competing admittedly thats a chunk of change for a plinker.

    just an option.
     

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    If a shooter was determined to get a repeating Anschutz Match 54, there was a model, the 1907 Repeater.

    While these are probably not easy to find, the Anschutz biathlon models -- all repeaters -- might be worth considering. Alternatively, there's the 1927F, developed for CISM disciplines. It comes with a ten round magazine. It's expensive but it's one of the most accurate stock repeaters available.


    It's unlikely that there are any chassis made for these rifles due to an absence of demand.

    As a alternative to the XLR 1710 chassis, shooters of the Anschutz 17xx series rifles may consider the GRS stocks.



    For anyone considering an Elesio chassis, keep in mind that it requires some level of commitment. The installation of the barreled action in the chassis involves some near permanent steps relating to epoxying a sleeve to the barrel. See the images below.

    To be clear - there will be no buying any Anschutz actions. I have several already, and I'm just sizing up what to do with one.

    If I were actually gonna buy anything Anschutz these days, the only thing worth spending the Anschutz level $ on, would be that Forstner action. Hell yes to that. And it would be a hell of a lot easier inletting a stock for that flat bottom. But no. That's definitely not what's up, here.

    It's funny, I thought for sure there would be some demand for some chassis. The market is flooded with those old Match 54 actions. They're phenomenal, too.

    Honestly, though - I'm really only inquiring about a chassis. If I wanted a stock, that's super easy. McMillan still inlets a silhouette stock. It's light, well balanced, and really easy to modify. But I've already got that covered. I have one that is one of my favorite rifles. I shortened it to 17" - took the length off the back end, and re-chambered it. Absolutely sweet gun. It would be great if it were a repeater, but it's not, so... on to the next.
     

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    Yeah, I definitely won't be bedding on a block for action screws. Even if I were willing to go that route, I'd sooner dimple or pin one one. And even at that, you don't have to permanently install it. You can put a release agent on it, do a 2-piece, etc, etc, etc...

    I did a Anschutz action into a Remington VS stock back in the day.
     

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    I have had a few fortner actions over the years. A couple 1827s and a 1727. I still have the 1727. Fun to shoot, accurate and a CDI factor that is off the charts. However it still uses the same crappy magazine.

    Hindsight being 20-20, I should have got it with the normal wood stock instead of the GRS.

    I still have my 54.18 repeater. A very solid choice for silhouette and critter killing. However a lightweight Vudoo would be best. If I still shot silhouette, I would build one up in a heartbeat.

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    I have had a few fortner actions over the years. A couple 1827s and a 1727. I still have the 1727. Fun to shoot, accurate and a CDI factor that is off the charts. However it still uses the same crappy magazine.

    Hindsight being 20-20, I should have got it with the normal wood stock instead of the GRS.

    I still have my 54.18 repeater. A very solid choice for silhouette and critter killing. However a lightweight Vudoo would be best. If I still shot silhouette, I would build one up in a heartbeat.

    What you've got on display right there is much more my speed. I prefer this over even the Vudoo. Not disrespecting the Vudoo - but I like different.

    It's not just CDI factor. Fellas have been known to go gay for this type of setup, too.

    Now then. Let's talk about you selling me that rifle. I'll trade you a single shot and a Karl Kenyon trigger for it. :)
     

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    What you've got on display right there is much more my speed. I prefer this over even the Vudoo. Not disrespecting the Vudoo - but I like different.

    It's not just CDI factor. Fellas have been known to go gay for this type of setup, too.

    Now then. Let's talk about you selling me that rifle. I'll trade you a single shot and a Karl Kenyon trigger for it. :)
    It is an SBR, I am married to it now.

    Look close and you can see the seam where the Gemtech Mist suppressor starts.
     

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    It is an SBR, I am married to it now.

    Look close and you can see the seam where the Gemtech Mist suppressor starts.
    Ah, yes. I do see it.

    I love it when somebody commits to their indulgences as hard as I do mine.
     

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    Another Fortner in a GRS, suppressed with a KG Swarm. I thought I wanted a chassis for it when I got the GRS (also have original walnut stock) but after installing the GRS and more importantly shooting it I am much more than pleased with the GRS.
     

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    Why do so many of you have Fortner actions? Were these a thing, and I missed it?
     

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    You might contact Joe at http://www.accurateriflesystems.com/ . He's made quite a few chassis for me including ones for our Izhmash Biathalon guns. He may be interested in inletting for your Anschutz if he doesn't already have it.

    A few versions of chassis designs are available.

    LOL, we were posting at same time.

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    I actually remember him telling me about doing one for an Izhmash when I was talking to him.
     
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    I see bubble level scope mounts on some of the models on his site. Anybody know where I can get an 11mm dovetail to picatinny bubble level mount?

    Mind you, I'm stuck with BKL, because my old actions aren't drilled and tapped for scope bases.
     

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    I used one of these on my old Romanian training rifle and it worked well. The only issue I had was the only place there was enough room to mount it was behind the rear ring. It stuck out far enough it made working the parallax in a hurry difficult.
    https://www.airgunsofarizona.com/levels/hawke-bubble-level/

    No, I am not looking for a standalone bubble level. That's just the icing on the cake. What I'm after, is a scope base, like the ones that area419 make. They have several models for CZ, and one for Anschutz. But the Anschutz model that they make the base for, is 30MOA, and I don't want that.

     

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    Sorry about that, I misread your previous post. I cant say I have seen one like you are looking for other than the Area 419. Hopefully someone else can come along and be of more help. If you cant find one another option might be something like the Hawkin's rings with the bubble level integrated into the top half of the ring.
     

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    Sorry about that, I misread your previous post. I cant say I have seen one like you are looking for other than the Area 419. Hopefully someone else can come along and be of more help. If you cant find one another option might be something like the Hawkin's rings with the bubble level integrated into the top half of the ring.
    The rings are actually the least of my concern. I want to go picatinny, but I figure that if I can do it without sending the gun to a smith (i.e., drill and tap), that's the way. Having a bubble built in, is an indulgence - but one I'll take. However, If I had just the picatinny, I've already got a (picatinny attach) bubble level from MK. So that's OK, too.

    It's my personal opinion that the 11mm dovetail gear that I've been using for years, sucks. I'm not a fan of BKL rings, and the stuff from Anschutz is too expensive, and just not very good for what you pay.
     

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    I'm pretty sure they slide on the rail then small screws tighten down against the top of the rail to lock in position.

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    If you look at the one that was in the area419 link that I posted, there are transverse screws that clamp the dovetail, similar to what you'd fine on a unitized scope mount. From all of the DIP products that I've seen, they require a radial (from the center of the bolt) drilled hole - same as you'd use for say, a dovetail mount. (or scope mount, ironically)

    Now, maybe I have missed it. But I did look...
     

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    They are used at less than 1% -at best and that is for prone for shooters who duplicated a HP setup. For 3-p - never saw one used.
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    I have shot with a couple of people that used tubegun chassis' for 3P. Only reason being is they used 3P during the winter to stay up on HP across the coarse. Their goal was not to win anything in 3P but to stay sharp for HP. Hard to beat the adjustability of a xx13 stock for 3P.