China's Big Play in Lumber
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Well, with 1.3 billion people using three sets of these every day... I can see the need...
Im glad he is pointning out the environmental impact of this.
It points out the hypocrisy of the "free trade" and "environmental" factions.
This whole thing is designed to create a lowest common denominator for the "globalization" of humanity.
They cant have one country existing at a standard of living that so greatly exceeds what is intended to be the standard for other "earthmen", countries and nationalism no longer existing after globalization.
Energy Star is a load of shit.
Sure a fridge can get a great Energy Star rating because it only uses the energy of an LED bulb but when the grossly overworked compressor/refrigeration system fails after three years is the energy used to produce the now useless steel and plastic cabinet used in that equation? The cost of transporting it to a landfill and the capacity for disposal it takes up?
All those fridges shipped over from Asia need to have the energy expenditure of their transport included in the Energy Star rating.
If they did that the 60 year old Cold Spot or the old Amana that we all know someone to be running as a second unit would probably top the Energy Star list as the most environmentally friendly.
Of course though a clean environment isnt the goal.
The intent is the transfer of wealth from countries with a high standard of living to countries with a low standard of living.
Its intend that the plebes of the world share a common standard of misery while the likes of Soros live a much higher standard of living.
It points out the hypocrisy of the "free trade" and "environmental" factions.
This whole thing is designed to create a lowest common denominator for the "globalization" of humanity.
They cant have one country existing at a standard of living that so greatly exceeds what is intended to be the standard for other "earthmen", countries and nationalism no longer existing after globalization.
Energy Star is a load of shit.
Sure a fridge can get a great Energy Star rating because it only uses the energy of an LED bulb but when the grossly overworked compressor/refrigeration system fails after three years is the energy used to produce the now useless steel and plastic cabinet used in that equation? The cost of transporting it to a landfill and the capacity for disposal it takes up?
All those fridges shipped over from Asia need to have the energy expenditure of their transport included in the Energy Star rating.
If they did that the 60 year old Cold Spot or the old Amana that we all know someone to be running as a second unit would probably top the Energy Star list as the most environmentally friendly.
Of course though a clean environment isnt the goal.
The intent is the transfer of wealth from countries with a high standard of living to countries with a low standard of living.
Its intend that the plebes of the world share a common standard of misery while the likes of Soros live a much higher standard of living.
I only wish he had constrained himself to facts instead of spinning tales. He said that the 10 largest container ships "create more pollution than all the cars in the world."
1) The bunker fuel those ships burn is part of the crude that is pumped out of the ground to make gas for cars. It is a byproduct of that production and something has to be done with it.
2) the largest ships (when traveling at the highest speed) use about 16 tons per hour, so for 10 ships that would be about 1.4 million tons per year---if they were moving at their highest speed 24 hours per day 365 days per year and spent zero time in port.
3) 50% of all the crude oil pumped out of the ground is turned to gasoline. World crude oil production is about 99 MBPD (million barrels per day) Roughly 14 million tons per day or 5,420 million tons per year. Half of that goes to make gasoline, call it 2,600 million tons.
4) In what alternative world can is 1.4 a bigger number than 2,600?
Yeah ok the ships make more sulpher per ton but there is a wide consensus that the primary pollutant form fossil fuel is CO2 and that will run (for our purposes) fairly closely tons burned.
1) The bunker fuel those ships burn is part of the crude that is pumped out of the ground to make gas for cars. It is a byproduct of that production and something has to be done with it.
2) the largest ships (when traveling at the highest speed) use about 16 tons per hour, so for 10 ships that would be about 1.4 million tons per year---if they were moving at their highest speed 24 hours per day 365 days per year and spent zero time in port.
3) 50% of all the crude oil pumped out of the ground is turned to gasoline. World crude oil production is about 99 MBPD (million barrels per day) Roughly 14 million tons per day or 5,420 million tons per year. Half of that goes to make gasoline, call it 2,600 million tons.
4) In what alternative world can is 1.4 a bigger number than 2,600?
Yeah ok the ships make more sulpher per ton but there is a wide consensus that the primary pollutant form fossil fuel is CO2 and that will run (for our purposes) fairly closely tons burned.
I'm not disagreeing with your main message, just want to say that SOx and NOx are a significant part of the fossil fuel pollutant spectrum. We need more trees and other greenery to help clean the air. Reducing the human population by 10X would help too, but that ain't gonna happen!
Ya'll will notice that this video/discussion is about "Hardwood" lumber/timber. Just think of the concept of the ever-hated "Softwood" lumber/timber issue. That is where my background is, as I worked as a Millwright in that field.
And yeah, there's a lot more to it. I will say though, Japan pays GOOD money for PERFECT GRADE LUMBER. Key point here is "FINISHED PRODUCT". All they want is the bestest, and they pay dearly for it. And then that finished product is packed perfectly into a shipping container and sent to Japan.
When's the last time you saw a perfectly straight, no bark, twist, wane, knots, or warp lumber in your stack at the local yard? They pay cubic dollars for those perfect boards.
But as to the 'softwood lumber agreement'..... there are some American companies who're wanting to do to Canada the same thing that China is wanting to do to North America. Think about that for a minute.
And yeah, there's a lot more to it. I will say though, Japan pays GOOD money for PERFECT GRADE LUMBER. Key point here is "FINISHED PRODUCT". All they want is the bestest, and they pay dearly for it. And then that finished product is packed perfectly into a shipping container and sent to Japan.
When's the last time you saw a perfectly straight, no bark, twist, wane, knots, or warp lumber in your stack at the local yard? They pay cubic dollars for those perfect boards.
But as to the 'softwood lumber agreement'..... there are some American companies who're wanting to do to Canada the same thing that China is wanting to do to North America. Think about that for a minute.
It all comes down to tit for tat.
Whatever hops or hurdles we must jump to engage in trade in a foreign country those same hoops and hurdles will apply to your products coming to our country.
Let the other guy write our trade policy - no regulation or the same regulations you impose on us.
THAN
if our internal regulation is such that "it saves just one life" or "saves one baby seal" than there should be a charge on imported goods if your country fails to care about children and seals.
China can suck a dick with trade restrictions that require they get access to technology or majority ownership in mandated partnerships.
Canada is the least of our worries. Your socialist/enviro fascist leadership is doing more to destroy your jobs than our govt is.
You're right, that's true, and I agree with you.
I'm only pointing out though, the U.S. companies that want us to ship logs to the U.S. for THEM to process. There's a lot more to it than that, but that is a good start. We have a resource, and "we" as a collective country are utilizing it, processing it, and marketing it. The fact that others don't have so much, so they have less to work with makes their own costs higher. Not ours. They don't like it, so then start legal proceedings and making all kinds of insinuations to the media and WTO.
Slander, insinuate, and accuse. Don't make the facts of the matter any less true.
The crux of the problem is the citizenry of the USA want lumber to build/improve/repair their homes and structures. So it IS a high demand item/market. The fact that few US producers can supply said market with product gets their panties in a knot and they want free access to OUR resources.
In what universe....... ?
I'm only pointing out though, the U.S. companies that want us to ship logs to the U.S. for THEM to process. There's a lot more to it than that, but that is a good start. We have a resource, and "we" as a collective country are utilizing it, processing it, and marketing it. The fact that others don't have so much, so they have less to work with makes their own costs higher. Not ours. They don't like it, so then start legal proceedings and making all kinds of insinuations to the media and WTO.
Slander, insinuate, and accuse. Don't make the facts of the matter any less true.
The crux of the problem is the citizenry of the USA want lumber to build/improve/repair their homes and structures. So it IS a high demand item/market. The fact that few US producers can supply said market with product gets their panties in a knot and they want free access to OUR resources.
In what universe....... ?
Yes if you have an abundance and all else being equal that abundance is the key that makes you more competitive than that is free trade and how the market is supposed to work.
As a kid I used to spend summers at "Grammys" in P.E.I..
I used to be fascinated by the thriving fishing industry, the tuna fleet, the lobster boats, we would cut up junk fish from the cannery in Souris to fish sea robbins off the peir.
Now its all gone because the gov wont let people fish and what little they do allow gets shipped overseas to those Japanese conosiuers of nothing but the best.
As a kid I used to spend summers at "Grammys" in P.E.I..
I used to be fascinated by the thriving fishing industry, the tuna fleet, the lobster boats, we would cut up junk fish from the cannery in Souris to fish sea robbins off the peir.
Now its all gone because the gov wont let people fish and what little they do allow gets shipped overseas to those Japanese conosiuers of nothing but the best.
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