Colt m4 style rifle?

[Dantrom]

My father-in-law wanted me to ask the masses.
Is the standard Colt m4 style rifle a good rifle considering price, reliability, and accuracy?

I don't really know what he intends to use the rifle for other than varmint and target. I believe he is planning to use it for mainly midrange shooting, and will be putting a low mag optic on top.

Personally, I have no experience with colt rifles. So when he asked me I suggested Rock River Arms because that is what I had and liked it very much. But he claimed the guys at AR15.com, or something like that, suggested the colt and wanted to see how the responses on this forum compared to the forums he uses.

Thanks

Dan

 

[marduk185]

Re: Colt m4 style rifle?

colts overrated imho. have had good luck with bushmaster,dpms,rockriver,and doublestar.

 

[Truck10]

Re: Colt m4 style rifle?

I have two Colts, a Bushy and a RRA. I personally think the finish on the Colts are a bit below the others, as well as the Colts being way over-priced. But they all shoot the same.

I personally would recommend DPMS if he's looking to make a new purchase....

 

[BBJones13]

Re: Colt m4 style rifle?

Colts are fine and are relatively cheap now. They can be found online for under $1000. Yes their are Pony gun fanboys out their. The problem for Colt is alot of companies have caught up to them and in some cases passed them.

If your dad wants an M4, Colt is a great choice as is LMT, Daniel Defense, BCM, etc. Sounds like your dad is interested in a weapon that has a strong reputation for being g2g out of the box and Colt fits that bill. However, for me I would never choose a Colt. I prefer Midlength gas systems which Colt doesn't offer.

The question your dad should ask himself is what kind of shooting he will be doing. Answering the what to get question is impossible without some sort of direction by the end user. Without any sort of direction my stock answer would be get a BCM 16" midlength. Great balance of versatility, quality, and value.

 

[callen3615]

Re: Colt m4 style rifle?

BCM > colt

 

[BBJones13]

Re: Colt m4 style rifle?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cpt. obvious</div><div class="ubbcode-body">BCM > colt </div></div>

Kind of what I was hinting at. IMO Not because Colt sucks, but because BCM is great.

 

[Pedro23]

Re: Colt m4 style rifle?

If you don't mind paying some more money for a reliable rifle and better customer service if for some reason your rifle did have problems then I would go with... BCM,DD,Noveske,LMT,and Larue in no particular order.

Rifles like most things in life is you get what you pay for.

 

[Pullum]

Re: Colt m4 style rifle?

my colt 6920 is awesome for the price and reliability!

 

[slothlacrosse]

Re: Colt m4 style rifle?

you're going to get less rifle for the price of a colt, but you'll also get more money when you sell it.

 

[M21guy]

Re: Colt m4 style rifle?

Varmit and target I'd look to Colt's 6724 or new 6720. Better for that in mind. However the 6920 or 6940 is pretty nice on the defense side of the coin. Not a lot of bells and whistles, but solid rifles. LE series has the law enforcement only role mark, SP series is the same thing, but without the roll mark. LE series is stamped Colt Defense while the SP series is stamped Colt Mfg. Sporters are cheaper. While I realize there is many choices out there that are good, I choose Colt for this simple reason; I was issued Colt, and they always worked. So I continue with owning my own Colts, without issue. I trust them.

 

[smokey0118]

Re: Colt m4 style rifle?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mar2012</div><div class="ubbcode-body">colts overrated imho. have had good luck with bushmaster,dpms,rockriver,and doublestar. </div></div>
colts are more expensive because they're "milspec" and have more quality control steps and use better materials than the cheap rifles suggested above. Other company's such as BCM, Larue, Daniel defense, spikes tactical and noveske also build to at least the same standards as colt. Here's some good qualities colts and BCM have....
Bolts:
*every bolt is MPI and HPT inspected
*Bolts are shot peened for better durability
*They have the black upgraded extractor spring insert for more reliable extraction
*The gas keys are properly staked on
*They use an m-16 style carrier, not a ar-15 style

barrels
*b-11595e standards met
*all barrels are hpt and MPI tested
*hard chromed chamber and bore
*barrels have 1/7 twist so they can stabilize longer projectiles
*5.56 chamber
*M4 style feed ramps
*F marked front sight base
*pinned on FSB
*finished under the FSB

Lower
*1.14 extension dia
*staked castle nut
*heavy buffer


budget rifles like bushmaster(who's quality has been tanking recently), RRA, and especially dpms sacrifice the above build quality standards in order to produce a rifle for cheaper.

SPikes are some of the better values out there now at about $850-900 for a full milspec rifle. BCM is generally known as the best quality for money spent. Colts are pretty much the industry standard and will retain resale value...making them an instant win if he buys one.

Mentioned above was the fact that some company's like bcm are making "milspec" rifles, but with a mid-length gas system. Mid-length is the best gas system for a 14.5-16" barrel length. It reduces wear, recoil and allows mounting of bayos...which is kickass.

 

[Tx_Flyboy]

Re: Colt m4 style rifle?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: smokey0118</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mar2012</div><div class="ubbcode-body">colts overrated imho. have had good luck with bushmaster,dpms,rockriver,and doublestar. </div></div>
colts are more expensive because they're "milspec" and have more quality control steps and use better materials than the cheap rifles suggested above. Other company's such as BCM, Larue, Daniel defense, spikes tactical and noveske also build to at least the same standards as colt. Here's some good qualities colts and BCM have....
Bolts:
*every bolt is MPI and HPT inspected
*Bolts are shot peened for better durability
*They have the black upgraded extractor spring insert for more reliable extraction
*The gas keys are properly staked on
*They use an m-16 style carrier, not a ar-15 style

barrels
*b-11595e standards met
*all barrels are hpt and MPI tested
*hard chromed chamber and bore
*barrels have 1/7 twist so they can stabilize longer projectiles
*5.56 chamber
*M4 style feed ramps
*F marked front sight base
*pinned on FSB
*finished under the FSB

Lower
*1.14 extension dia
*staked castle nut
*heavy buffer


budget rifles like bushmaster(who's quality has been tanking recently), RRA, and especially dpms sacrifice the above build quality standards in order to produce a rifle for cheaper.

SPikes are some of the better values out there now at about $850-900 for a full milspec rifle. BCM is generally known as the best quality for money spent. Colts are pretty much the industry standard and will retain resale value...making them an instant win if he buys one.

Mentioned above was the fact that some company's like bcm are making "milspec" rifles, but with a mid-length gas system. Mid-length is the best gas system for a 14.5-16" barrel length. It reduces wear, recoil and allows mounting of bayos...which is kickass. </div></div>

Seriously Smokey your post soumds like the Bullshit you find on M4carbine, lightfighter, arfcom et al. Just because all these companies piss away precious time, manhours, and resources on NDE doesn't mean shit. If their production methods are so fucked up that they need to inspect every single fucking component rolling off the assembly line, then the cure to is to fix their fucked up production, and inspection regimen to decrease production costs and maximize profits.

However, through the genius of marketing, these companies have successfully convinced a lot of fanboys that this is a "good" thing rather than a sign of weak production/inspection methods and flawed buisness model...its not for nothing that Bushmaster, DPMS, and RRA sell more rifles than all of the companies mentioned...we'll c how many of them are around in a few years, and how much market share they command.

If you think that all the reasons you listed mean anything, you should google "issues with "put name of your chosen awesome over-priced rifle maker" and you will find that their rifles suffer from exactly the same issues as DPMS, RRA, Bushmaster, armalite etc. And given the fact they they have a far smaller market share, they probably have the same reliability rate as all the rest of the cheaper rifle makers.

This post isnt meant as a personal attack, but rather for people to re-evaluate what they think they are paying for and what constitutes "quality".

 

[smokey0118]

Re: Colt m4 style rifle?

so you're saying better quality control steps and better materials are a bad thing in a rifle?

 

[Tx_Flyboy]

Re: Colt m4 style rifle?

Re-read my post...i'm saying that the reasons you gave doesn't mean that these rifles are "better".

 

[BBJones13]

Re: Colt m4 style rifle?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tx_Flyboy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Re-read my post...i'm saying that the reasons you gave doesn't mean that these rifles are "better". </div></div>

I read your post a few times. What is your point? All AR's are the same? QC is unnecessary? Features that smokey listed are undesirable or useless? Market share indicates quality? That companies like DD BCM Colt etc. are held up on a false pedestal and in fact produce inferior products to Bushmaster DPMS etc?

 

[Tx_Flyboy]

Re: Colt m4 style rifle?

I don't think you actually read my post, or you wouldn't have asked the questions you did.

You can piss away as much money as you want inspecting every single component on a rifle and try to pass it off as proof of "quality".

If your manufacturing process requires that you inspect every single component, rather than batch test samples at random, something is seriously wrong with your production methods.

In the end, all the rifles from the manufacturers you mention suffer from <span style="text-decoration: underline">exactly</span> the same ailments as the ones made by manufacturers that only batch test samples. And because the manufacturers with overpriced rifles have a much smaller share of the market, each blemish on their rifles is a higher percentage of failure than each occurrence on rifles made by the manufacturers you like to bash.

Once again, the reasons posted by smokey, 'the chart' or whatever justification ppl use to make themselves feel better about over paying for a rifle doesn't mean that their overpriced rifle is "better".

 

[pupdawg]

Re: Colt m4 style rifle?

I dont get what the big deal is if someone wants to "overpay" for a rifle thats on them. It has nothing to do with what they think they're getting or not. They want it, they buy it.

The OP asked about a Colt AR for his father in law. I say this:

Your father in law should buy what he feels comfortable with buying. Whether that be a RRA like yours or a Colt, it shouldn't matter. DPMS, LMT, BCM, what ever he feels he wants will be fine. Get the rifle of his choosing and if he changes his mind then you could always sell what he has and buy another brand.

Now if you ask me for my personal choice on which brand... I'd just say any one of the following: BCM, Colt, RRA, LMT, DD.

 

[VJJPunisher]

Re: Colt m4 style rifle?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: smokey0118</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mar2012</div><div class="ubbcode-body">colts overrated imho. have had good luck with bushmaster,dpms,rockriver,and doublestar. </div></div>
colts are more expensive because they're "milspec" and have more quality control steps and use better materials than the cheap rifles suggested above. Other company's such as BCM, Larue, Daniel defense, spikes tactical and noveske also build to at least the same standards as colt. Here's some good qualities colts and BCM have....
Bolts:
*every bolt is MPI and HPT inspected
*Bolts are shot peened for better durability
*They have the black upgraded extractor spring insert for more reliable extraction
*The gas keys are properly staked on
*They use an m-16 style carrier, not a ar-15 style

barrels
*b-11595e standards met
*all barrels are hpt and MPI tested
*hard chromed chamber and bore
*barrels have 1/7 twist so they can stabilize longer projectiles
*5.56 chamber
*M4 style feed ramps
*F marked front sight base
*pinned on FSB
*finished under the FSB

Lower
*1.14 extension dia
*staked castle nut
*heavy buffer


budget rifles like bushmaster(who's quality has been tanking recently), RRA, and especially dpms sacrifice the above build quality standards in order to produce a rifle for cheaper.

SPikes are some of the better values out there now at about $850-900 for a full milspec rifle. BCM is generally known as the best quality for money spent. Colts are pretty much the industry standard and will retain resale value...making them an instant win if he buys one.

Mentioned above was the fact that some company's like bcm are making "milspec" rifles, but with a mid-length gas system. Mid-length is the best gas system for a 14.5-16" barrel length. It reduces wear, recoil and allows mounting of bayos...which is kickass. </div></div>

all the mentioned "cheap rifles" go bang when I command detonate the trigger, and hit what I shoot at, repeatedly. I know this from doing it, not reading it in SWAT magazine. "better materials" well that is in the eyes of the beerholder. for the sticker price on Colt's, well they can suck all up on my balls for that kinda money.

 

[tylerw02]

Re: Colt m4 style rifle?

You guys really don't know what you're talking about when it comes to the platform if you think the RRA, DPMS, Bushmaster, etc are "just as good".

And for the price? Prices between the whole pack are not much different. A Colt 6920 is $1,000-1100. A DPMS is about $900. Big deal, you'd pay more than that fixing the problems with the lower tier rifles.

And believe it or not, there's more to it than just inspecting individual parts.

Things like the proper extractor, proper chamber, proper gas port diameter, the right buffer, proper staking, better barrel material, and so on are very important. Pretend it doesn't matter, that's fine, but when you're shooting an RRA and it turns into a paper-weight because the rec. extension nut backs off and you'll see why there are QC standards.

The very best value in ARs seems to be BCM. Buy a lower, put a quality LPK in it, and throw on a BCM upper and you've got a quality rifle for LESS than a factory DPMS or other associated low-quality brand.

If your pet-brand hasn't failed yet, there's one reason: You haven't fired it enough.

 

[VJJPunisher]

Re: Colt m4 style rifle?

hmmm heard a rumor colt is sellin out to boot

 

[Sapper524]

Re: Colt m4 style rifle?

BCM makes good stuff. I have a BCM upper/lower and a couple colt upper/lowers on various rifles. All ARs are not created equally ... for the money ... the colt CR6724 is the most accurate AR I have shot. Yes some tricked out $3000 POF / SR25 / OBR have beat it but at twice the cost. If your looking to shoot 1/2 MOA on paper a $850 m4 is not the ticket. I have a 6920 that runs and runs, will eat anything, does what is supposed to. The BCM runs just as good.

I have watched two DPMS cheapies fail after a few months of abuse. I have personally cracked one Bushmaster and two DPMS lowers with less abuse and a 1/3 the time on them as the BCM and colt lowers. Now put this in perspective ... average joe plinker shoots 250 rounds a year for fun ... a $800 stock M4 will get the job done. For those of us who buy barrels in 4 packs because we burn them out in 4-6 months look for a lower/upper that is hammer forged and stroger than billet. Finish and gun porn factor being secondary to function. Billet lowers look purdy though.

Bottom line ... application will dictate the weapon system and proper optics. Once that is sorted ... buy ONCE ... suffer ONCE and be done.

 

[gunslotreaper308]

Re: Colt m4 style rifle?

I tend to agree with the "buy once, cry once" guys.

Colt makes good stuff. Yes, you pay for the name but you also get good quality parts. BCM, Noveske, DD, LMT etc... all use good parts as well. The average M&P, DPMS, Bushy, RRA etc... are all great for paper punching and should be good shooters right out of the box, but if you're looking for a "combat ready" rifle that will have a longer life/better reliability, I suggest paying slightly more for good mil spec MPI/HPT tested parts from companies with tighter QC practices.

I have a bushy that I've put roughly 6k rounds through and never ran into any serious problems. I admit it has put up with a lot of abuse and never let me down, but I've swapped the gas tube and put a BCM BCG in it after a couple thousand rounds.
I had a colt (no idea of round count) and that thing ran like a raped ape.

I'm currently putting together a BCM/LMT combo because I want mid length gas and 1:7.

It really depends on what he's looking for... Any large name manufacturer will put out an AR that will be fine for putting rounds down range. If he's looking for a carry/patrol rifle, or a reliable SHTF rifle, I suggest looking into companies using mil spec parts. Do a google search or look on other forums as well, generally the same names will keep popping up.

 

[DWood]

Re: Colt m4 style rifle?

Where does one buy "hammer forged" lowers and uppers as well as 4 packs of barrels?

 

[trilogymac]

Re: Colt m4 style rifle?

I have always stayed away from Colts (other than machineguns) because of all the PC big pin BS. Unless they have standardized their front takedown and FC pins to ALL small, it ain't worth the hassle for interchangability of parts to me.

YMMV.
Hope this helps.
Trilogymac

 

[pupdawg]

Re: Colt m4 style rifle?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: trilogymac</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have always stayed away from Colts (other than machineguns) because of all the PC big pin BS. Unless they have standardized their front takedown and FC pins to ALL small, it ain't worth the hassle for interchangability of parts to me.

YMMV.
Hope this helps.
Trilogymac </div></div>

They FINALLY made it standard again. Well at least the newer LE6920's that a few of my friends bought were the standard .154 pin size on the FC pins and standard takedowns.

My 6400C (Match Target marked lower) that I bought during the AWB era has large FC pins .170 and standard takedown pins.

I hate them for that... other than that the carbine has given me loads of fun with no problems.

 

[johngfoster]

Re: Colt m4 style rifle?

There IS a difference in quality between the "top tier" brands and the so-called mid-level brands. However, you will probably never now the difference. For someone who is going into harms way EVERY DAY, and putting thousands of rounds down-range each week, well, then some subtle QC issues become more evident--sometimes. Colt inspects each bolt, not because they have to, but because the consequences of failure are much more dramatic. Soldiers/Marines/etc take these into battle EVERY DAY, so lives depend on the rifle not failing daily, not just someone's toy they keep in the safe and take to the range once a month. And the market share of Colt is every bit as big as the other "Big Three--A, B, D" (Often referred to as the ABCD--Armalite, Bushmaster, Colt, DPMS). They supply the .mil with a sole-source contract for the M4, so the total volume is at least as big as the other major manufacturers.

So will it matter to you? Probably not, unless you are on a 2-way range every day and your life constantly depends on your rifle not failing every day. But there IS a difference. If it is that important to you, then get a Colt/BCM/LMT/LaRue/Daniels Defence/Spikes, etc.

The other issue is whether you need a 1:7 twist barrel or not. Most of the commercial manufacturers (Armalite, Bushmaster, DPMS, Rock River) supply weapons with a 1:9 twist, so if it is important to you to shoot the "heavies", they you may want to find an offering with a 1:7 twist instead.

If it were me, I'd be looking at a BCM first. I want a 1:7 twist, and for the same or less money, I can get an eqivalent rifle which has passed stricter QC standards. I'm not a Colt fan-boy. I don't own one, probably never will, unless I get a smoking deal on one. Not worth the extra money to me. But I can get a BCM of almost identical quality for much less money which has more features than I need, and all that I want.

I own a Bushmaster, and it has failed me on one occasion. The gas key came loose and started leaking gas, making it into a single shot AR15. The gas key bolts were inadequately staked. I tightened them back up and have had no further problems since. But it is no more than a range toy from now on. I don't feel confident staking my life on it. This is a pretty well-documented issue with Bushmasters. Most Bushmasters are just fine, but many have had this issue. I have not heard of a Colt or BCM having this problem. YMMV.

 

[trilogymac]

Re: Colt m4 style rifle?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pupdawg</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: trilogymac</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have always stayed away from Colts (other than machineguns) because of all the PC big pin BS. Unless they have standardized their front takedown and FC pins to ALL small, it ain't worth the hassle for interchangability of parts to me.

YMMV.
Hope this helps.
Trilogymac </div></div>

They FINALLY made it standard again. Well at least the newer LE6920's that a few of my friends bought were the standard .154 pin size on the FC pins and standard takedowns.

My 6400C (Match Target marked lower) that I bought during the AWB era has large FC pins .170 and standard takedown pins.

I hate them for that... other than that the carbine has given me loads of fun with no problems. </div></div>

Thats good news! Definitely a huge +. With that being the case, they are worth looking at.

Trilogymac

 

[smokey0118]

Re: Colt m4 style rifle?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Re-read my post...i'm saying that the reasons you gave doesn't mean that these rifles are "better".</div></div>
yes, they do. Just as i could say s&w makes a "better" ar than bushmaster or remington. Bush uses 4150, whereas smith uses 4140 on barrels, they both only batch test the barrels and both use the ar-15 carrier...but s&w properly stakes gas keys and castle nuts. They also shot peen their bolts, MPI and HPT every bolt, while bushy batch tests. S&w also uses the upgraded black extractor insert instead of the blue. S&w also don't use a notched hammer, while bushies do on many rifles.

They are better because the quality controls ensure a more consistently good product, while the extra features ensure more reliable function.

I'm sure next you'll talk about how your taurus 24/7 is just as good as a hk usp...and hk's are just overpriced with good marketing.

 

[Laseredge]

Re: Colt m4 style rifle?

I recently bought a Colt 6940, did a few tweaks and really like it a lot.
It runs 100%, and the fit and finish are good enough for me.
I spent around $1300, I could have gotten a cheaper AR for $800 or so, but I was prepared to get the $2600 HK if it really called me.

It didn't, and the Colt seemed a bargain in comparison.

Everything is relative.

 

[Prairie Dog Dundee]

Re: Colt m4 style rifle?

FWIW I have four ARs with over 5000 round through them. Two Colts, one LMT and one RRA. I've had zero parts breakage with the Colts and LMT and three problems related to parts with the RRA. I would buy another RRA for Varminting in a heart beat because of the price and accuracy. However for SHTF I'll stick with the others.

 

[justme]

Re: Colt m4 style rifle?

Last month I picked up a new Colt 6940. The fit & finish on mine is very good and it is very accurate " with good ammo". I own a few other Colt AR's and have never had a problem with any of them.
It's your money -spend it where ever you wish to.

 

[VJJPunisher]

Re: Colt m4 style rifle?

in summation, colt AR's= steamy dog dung

 

[hk dave]

Re: Colt m4 style rifle?

COLT is the standard by which other ARs are measured. That's not to say that COLT is the best, not at all, but they do provide us with a good measuring stick.

I'd rather have a Daniel Defense or LMT myself but to each his own.

 

[marduk185]

Re: Colt m4 style rifle?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: smokey0118</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mar2012</div><div class="ubbcode-body">colts overrated imho. have had good luck with bushmaster,dpms,rockriver,and doublestar. </div></div>
colts are more expensive because they're "milspec" and have more quality control steps and use better materials than the cheap rifles suggested above. Other company's such as BCM, Larue, Daniel defense, spikes tactical and noveske also build to at least the same standards as colt. Here's some good qualities colts and BCM have....
Bolts:
*every bolt is MPI and HPT inspected
*Bolts are shot peened for better durability
*They have the black upgraded extractor spring insert for more reliable extraction
*The gas keys are properly staked on
*They use an m-16 style carrier, not a ar-15 style

barrels
*b-11595e standards met
*all barrels are hpt and MPI tested
*hard chromed chamber and bore
*barrels have 1/7 twist so they can stabilize longer projectiles
*5.56 chamber
*M4 style feed ramps
*F marked front sight base
*pinned on FSB
*finished under the FSB

Lower
*1.14 extension dia
*staked castle nut
*heavy buffer


budget rifles like bushmaster(who's quality has been tanking recently), RRA, and especially dpms sacrifice the above build quality standards in order to produce a rifle for cheaper.

SPikes are some of the better values out there now at about $850-900 for a full milspec rifle. BCM is generally known as the best quality for money spent. Colts are pretty much the industry standard and will retain resale value...making them an instant win if he buys one.

Mentioned above was the fact that some company's like bcm are making "milspec" rifles, but with a mid-length gas system. Mid-length is the best gas system for a 14.5-16" barrel length. It reduces wear, recoil and allows mounting of bayos...which is kickass. </div></div>



what i dont track on is that all these criteria youre saying makes colt better can be met point by point by the manufacturers i listed unless im seriously mistaken. except that the colt has the wrong dimension pins.

 

[smokey0118]

Re: Colt m4 style rifle?

What bushmaster, rra, dpms meet all the QC standards and features of the colt for the same price point or less? Speak facts please not, "mine's just as good because i say so".

 

[ElCoyote]

Re: Colt m4 style rifle?

Most of my stuff is Armalite, no problems

 

[marduk185]

Re: Colt m4 style rifle?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: smokey0118</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What bushmaster, rra, dpms meet all the QC standards and features of the colt for the same price point or less? Speak facts please not, "mine's just as good because i say so". </div></div>

well correct me please but i thought bushmaster was a military contractor and as such would meet same "specs" as such. many if not all the features you listed are also listed by the other guys and i know at least j&t/doublestar offer 1 in 7 barrels. my point was simply that i dont see colt as unique or worth a premium, sorry if i offended thee.

 

[Falar]

Re: Colt m4 style rifle?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mar2012</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: smokey0118</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What bushmaster, rra, dpms meet all the QC standards and features of the colt for the same price point or less? Speak facts please not, "mine's just as good because i say so". </div></div>

well correct me please but i thought bushmaster was a military contractor and as such would meet same "specs" as such. many if not all the features you listed are also listed by the other guys and i know at least j&t/doublestar offer 1 in 7 barrels. my point was simply that i dont see colt as unique or worth a premium, sorry if i offended thee. </div></div>

Bushmaster is not a military contractor.

 

[gunslotreaper308]

Re: Colt m4 style rifle?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Falar</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mar2012</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: smokey0118</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What bushmaster, rra, dpms meet all the QC standards and features of the colt for the same price point or less? Speak facts please not, "mine's just as good because i say so". </div></div>

well correct me please but i thought bushmaster was a military contractor and as such would meet same "specs" as such. many if not all the features you listed are also listed by the other guys and i know at least j&t/doublestar offer 1 in 7 barrels. my point was simply that i dont see colt as unique or worth a premium, sorry if i offended thee. </div></div>

Bushmaster is not a military contractor. </div></div>

I was unaware of any Bushy mil contracts as well, but a google search turned this up... Anyone know about this?
http://www.fedspending.org/fpds/fpds.php...record_num=f500

 

[Sapper524]

Re: Colt m4 style rifle?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DWood</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Where does one buy "hammer forged" lowers and uppers as well as 4 packs of barrels?

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Hammer forged is a reference to how the lower is made....

Billet lower = chunk of aluminum put on a CNC and they push GO and the lower is milled out and done ...

Hammer Forged Lower = same chunk of aluminum is put in a monster press and smashed into the basic shape of a lower ... then put in a CNC and final touch up is done ... yielding a stronger lower (aka Colt Defense Product)

4 packs of barrels = buying 4 barrels at a time (2 for each AR)

Bang the front of a purdy billet lower mag well against the door jam of a MRAP or RG31 a few times and see how that works out. If thats not on your to do list ... reference the part of my post for the casual user.