The race card, typical left one size fits all formula. Not that the man himself just happened to be a Left-Dem puppet.
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The race card, typical left one size fits all formula. Not that the man himself just happened to be a Left-Dem puppet.
Let's try it again. The 3 outspoken retards here want it so bad. Why don't they go to Venezuela/Cuba/etc instead of trying to fuck this country up trying it one more time. "It hasn't been tried the right way". Fuck them. Pieces of shit. Literally the party of losers and ugly women.
He was the perfect candidate. Untouchable by any amount of criticism. Any dissident risks having their livelihood ruined by being called a "racist". Hey leftist fucks, you applaud disrespect toward trump regardless of how low it is as "patriotic". But do you remember when that congressman yelled "You Lie!" during one of the messiah's bullshit rhetoric about the health care bill? The media attacked this guy as, wait for it...............................A RACIST!
Obamacare Spark Notes
1. People pay insurance companies
2. People get sick
3. Insurance companies say it's a pre-existing condition and do not pay out
4. People are sick and out the insurance money
5. Obama begins ACA Legislation with Dem majority to fix the above and other issues
6. Dems lose one senate seat (losing 60 vote Senate majority) to Republicans from Ted Kennedy's death
7. Obama wants ACA so Dems begin financial reconciliation and use the 51 vote majority rule
7.5.
8. ACA goes from medicare-for-all to American taxpayers MANDATORY subsidizing insurance companies
9. Get coverage or get taxed, poor get coverage for free, everyone else pays more
10. Republicans get rid of tax mandate
11. ACA is now unconstitutional and undue financial burden on Americans
12. Insurance companies profit $$$
Not included: Obama lied about keeping your doctor, insurance companies increased premiums over and over again, Doctor's and medical staff got paid less from ACA but had to cover more people, ACA market allowed monopolies to become established in under-served areas then increased premiums when they monopolized, Healthcare emergencies are now biggest reason why families go bankrupt.
1. People pay insurance companies
2. People get sick
3. Insurance companies say it's a pre-existing condition and do not pay out
4. People are sick and out the insurance money
5. Obama begins ACA Legislation with Dem majority to fix the above and other issues
6. Dems lose one senate seat (losing 60 vote Senate majority) to Republicans from Ted Kennedy's death
7. Obama wants ACA so Dems begin financial reconciliation and use the 51 vote majority rule
7.5.
- In the House of Representatives, 219 Democrats and one Republican vote for the Affordable Health Care for America Act, and 39 Democrats and 176 Republicans vote against it.
- Later Dems utilize simple majority vote to get bill past Congress
- Obama signs bill
8. ACA goes from medicare-for-all to American taxpayers MANDATORY subsidizing insurance companies
9. Get coverage or get taxed, poor get coverage for free, everyone else pays more
10. Republicans get rid of tax mandate
11. ACA is now unconstitutional and undue financial burden on Americans
12. Insurance companies profit $$$
Not included: Obama lied about keeping your doctor, insurance companies increased premiums over and over again, Doctor's and medical staff got paid less from ACA but had to cover more people, ACA market allowed monopolies to become established in under-served areas then increased premiums when they monopolized, Healthcare emergencies are now biggest reason why families go bankrupt.
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Except your making it up, because it was passed with zero Republican votes, so there was NO compromise. They passed it and then we found out what was in it... a giant steaming pile of dog shit written by anti-economists who failed Econ 101.
Hmmm, well maybe I fell for the gossip trap but I heard that the ACA was expected to be much bigger than what it was but Obama really wanted to work with the Republican delegation and made concessions in the bill (not that it would help or hurt).
My timeline is a little bit off since it was off memeory and so long ago. The gist is right though?
His vote counts if: He flys to Mexico.Sneaks across the border. Goes to Cali DMV with a certificado de bautismo to obtain a Cali DL. Uses his new Cali DL to register to vote. Then and only then will his not count!
^^^Certificado de nacimiento. Shit, in California the leftards would probably accept his tarjeta de identificacion de boter.
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No compromises were made. The bill was over 1k pages and all they advertised were the selling points.
Show me the delegated power in the Constitution that allows the Fedgov to get involved in healthcare at all. Obama's FBI has photos of John Roberts getting buttfucked or butfucking a goat, this shit is unconstitutional as hell.
What is this “constitution” you speak of? You mean that little book you carry? (Kamala Harris)
It’s ok. You’re a leftist. We don’t expect you to know any history or remember any more than a crapy.
That was unfuckingbelievable, even though almost expected. Like Obama’s said, this is a very different and dangerous time. It’s just not for any of his bullshit self deceiving reasons. It’s because the left has become so bold they’ve dropped all the pretense and are now openly using communist terms and ideology as if there was nothing wrong with it... Real domestic enemies with their hands on the levers of power.
It’s ok. You’re a leftist. We don’t expect you to know any history or remember any more than a crapy.
That was unfuckingbelievable, even though almost expected. Like Obama’s said, this is a very different and dangerous time. It’s just not for any of his bullshit self deceiving reasons. It’s because the left has become so bold they’ve dropped all the pretense and are now openly using communist terms and ideology as if there was nothing wrong with it... Real domestic enemies with their hands on the levers of power.
She really means....."Health care rationing, Govt sanctioned public terror, and RE-education"
Yes unfortunately you fell for the revisionist history gossip trap which is easy to do because everybody on both sides constantly likes to retouch history to make themselves feel better.
Here is how it went down actually.
Obama won the presidency and a lot of people in the country were very excited, hoping for something new and better, so he had a lot of political capital. The Democrat party had also taken control of both the house and the senate and all were beholden to Obama as he was the charismatic face of their party that helped them all along. So Obama for 2 years basically had complete unchecked power.
The Democrats decided now was the time to push their government run "Universal Health Care" ideas, to basically try to nationalize and government control healthcare just like every other socialist type country. Obama promised it would be all open to the public and everything and every discussion would be on camera etc.
I might add the Healthcare "Insurance" companies were doing themselves no favours at all about then and were pretty much being so evil & vile to everyone that a lot of people on all sides really wanted to see somebody put the boots to them good and hard. My boss for example who voted for McCain in the election, was on the phone with the insurance company talking about our company insurance rate hikes and they got him so mad he told them on the phone that he hoped Obama would get something passed that would really screw them to the wall.
For awhile some Republicans did try to work with them and see what compromises they could get. Eventually the Republicans realized this was going to be a huge steaming pile of waste product and they would be politically better served by totally letting it be the Democrat's own millstone. This turned out to be a very smart decision because the bill that was passed was horrendous and hiked the cost of healthcare over Obama's remaining 6 years by on average 50% (at least from our company's experience) and skewed employment badly towards people only being able to get several part time jobs rather than a single full time one as smaller companies couldn't afford it. In addition many self employed people or people that did contract jobs without benefits (such as my sister), not only couldn't afford health insurance and had to pay for everything out of pocket, but then on top of that they had to pay thousands of dollars of fines each year for not paying extortionate rates to some other private company to boost their profit margins. The fallout from that Heathcare act was a giant millstone around the democrat's necks and one of the things that helped Trump win.
Of course in typical political fashion... the Republicans proudly staged like 40 votes once they won back the majority in the house and senate to cleanly repeal obamacare... knowing Obama would veto them... played up that fact in all their fundraising campaigns etc. Then as soon as Trump was in and they had full control & Trump said... okay let's repeal it and then work on something else.... suddenly the republicans were all wanting to keep Obama care around till they could tweak it just a bit for their buddies benefit instead.... So trump did an end run around them and removed the fines for not buying something from a private company (well as of next year thanks to yet another female "republican" demanding an extra extension so she could make nice with some "supporters"... tell that bitch my Sister says thanks for taking another couple thousand out of her pocket this year).
Back to the bill, it went all secret almost immediately, with almost all the discussions and negotiations being done in back room deals with insurance companies getting what they wanted, senators holding out for billion dollar cutouts etc. Sure the insurance companies couldn't deny you for "preexisting conditions".... BUT they could simply refuse to provide you coverage unless you signed up during a small window of time during the winter & then kept your payments up regardless of rate hikes... There was no actual cap on rate hikes so the insurance companies could rape you as badly as they wanted. They rammed it through over the holidays, by demanding congress be kept over Christmas till they passed this 2k+ page bill that nobody read... even the democrat leadership admitted that... Pelosi said honestly.. "We have to pass the bill, then we'll worry about reading it".
And that is how that mess of a law came about and Obama wasted a huge block of his political capital on one of the worst bills ever for the country (although if your plan was simply to give the government more power over people's lives at any cost, it was a raging success).
This is exactly why you should NEVER take the promises of Communists, Socialists, Democrats or Progressives at face value.. all you wind up with is a mess. They did present a real and pressing problem, which is that the entire medical healthcare system in this country is a mess. We have some of the best medicine available in the whole world wrapped up in one of the worst costs systems where "Insurance" companies, "Government Agencies", Lawyers, paper pushers and scammers, people here illegally and losers get all the money & profits while making the costs bankrupting high for everyone else and the actual doctors have to fight to get a decent living.
The Communists and Socialists promise you a solution to the problem... if you only let them have a free hand... then as usual you find out you just wound up worse than before with no hope of help. At least before you could just be broke and unable to pay for medical care.. now you can't legally be broke and too poor to pay for medical care as then they will send the goons with guns from the IRS after you for not "contributing" to the evil insurance companies that you hated to begin with.
Not that Republicans are any saints, they are also fully invested in making t hings right for their donors and keeping costs high so the big boys can reap huge profits. But at least they are happy to let you be too poor for insurance without sending the goons after you. And that in at least some way helps keep the costs down somewhat as if people won't pay and can't pay eventually insurance companies find a ceiling they can't push rates any higher than... but when the government will send their hired guns after you for being too poor... the insurance companies can raise rates 10x to 20x the rate of inflation each year and tell you pay up or else head to jail.
Healthcare is a problem not easily solved. You can have a socialist type system like northern Europe where everybody pays and everybody gets good care... BUT it only works for a short time with a very small closed society that all work... eventually you start letting in all the migrants and such and start letting more people not work but get benefits and before long your costs go way out of wack as more and more freeloaders depend on the fewer and fewer workers to pay for them and the workers that are left start to wonder why bother working at all, either split or go cash/underground economy, or become moochers themselves. All the great "socialist" countries of Europe are now fully aware of the fact that they have passed the tipping point and it's just how long can they hold out till it all crashes.
In the end the issue is that it is against the natural law of nature for anyone to be able to claim that they have a "right" to the property or labour of somebody else. If you say you have a "Right" to health care without paying what somebody is willing to do the job for... then you must needs have the government enslave somebody by force to "provide" you what you claim is your right. Just like if you claim you have a "Right" to food, housing or education... well unless you are willing to pay what somebody wants to provide it to you willingly for... once again you are back to having the government enslave somebody to provide you what you claim as a right. This as always leads to what always happens eventually in every Socialist and Communist country... rationing and the lowest possible level of care for everyone. You'll notice that no matter the country of origin, if someone really rich or powerful has something life threatening going on... they want to go to the USA for treatment, or if not allowed, to the UK private hospitals or Swiss private hospitals as second choices...
You can all get together and decide to pool risk and have basic services provided for everyone as needed. The issue becomes that if you allow freeloaders that have not paid in to participate, it goes down hill immediately. In addition, you cannot have everybody entitled to vastly more cost of services than they pay for without crashing the whole system. So in the end you have to face hard facts that not every homeless person off the streets can be provided 10 million dollars of cancer care after they have trashed their body with drugs and drink..
You can afford to have a system where everybody needs to pay a bit and have access to emergency services and routine healthcare based on government rate contracted hospitals and doctors, but it has to have hard limits or you run out of money. Then people have to decide for themselves to purchase private insurance for high cost possibilities and/or roll the dice and pay it out of pocket.
Part of the problem right now is we are stuck in the high cost trap part of history... where medicine is good enough that it can do amazing things at a very high cost but everybody wanting it will bankrupt society.... This is different from times past where medicine was limited and so were the costs. The next plateau is when science is advanced enough to make what seems near impossible today be every day cheap clinic stuff. But we can't get there fast enough because of money and other pressures. A long term solution would be to cut government spending on healthcare completely and instead invest everything into as much research as possible without limits on what they can do and try, while making sure all "intellectual property" was in the public domain since the "public" is paying for it. Researchers are incentivized by being paid both to do their work as well as very large payouts in lump sums based on the value of the results they come up with or things they develop/discover/refine. And of course people who succeed get first dibs at the funding trough.
Some of the biggest things that will near bankrupt us such as Dementia, Alzheimer's, Cancer etc. all have very promising corrective science available with enough funding and removal of hindrances / artificial blocks on everybody sharing information.
While many people are more than willing to spend anything to prolong their lives a couple months or a year or so... that is their choice if it's their money that they have earned and saved... but if everybody thinks that society owes them unlimited services for anything, everything & hopeless things... you soon go bankrupt no matter how much you want utopian solutions. Nature is a cold, hard and unforgiving cycle of constant improvement by survival of the fittest and evolve or go extinct. You can fight it but you can't win, it has no pity and in the end the weak die off regardless of if some strong also die off trying to support the weak. It comes down to that at a personal level on your daily healthcare choices.
Much like these stupid SJW type now claiming that "Fat Shaming" is so wrong... sorry but there is a well known well proven science that shows that if you get way too skinny you will have huge amounts of health problems & possibly early death and then once you get way too fat you also start to have way too many health problems and possibly early death and you should try to stay in the just underweight to slightly padded range depending on your body type in order to be healthy.... If you want to be a human whale... don't ask me to pay when you have a heart attack.
Much like all those that do drugs and such... don't ask me to pay for your mess.. sure maybe I'll pay for some Narcan or other emergency life saving treatments just to be nice... but if your teeth fall out and your organs start to fail from all your drugs and drink... guess what.. your choice..
@Lrdchaos @BangBangBlatBlat @AviCado
I know its fake news but......
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...-versus-president-obama-their-first-600-days/
I know its fake news but......
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...-versus-president-obama-their-first-600-days/
Let's get this straight... he was not admitted on merit. He has degrees bequeathed to him. I do not differentiate this from a Rockefeller or two that I have had the displeasure of being in the same room with. They purchased their degrees, and various scholarships and chairs in their name is the result. What is not a result in either case is that they earned the diploma that everyone likes to talk about.
John F Kennedy was not admitted on merit, neither was George W Bush. It happens that Bill Clinton was.
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I dont give a shit how they were admitted. They spent 4 years getting full on indoctrination in communist and European social philosophy, they are a cancer a tumor on our society, sworn to defeat and subjugate freemen everywhere. Not to be trusted ever.
He was at Columbia for 2 years as he spent his freshman and sophomore years at Occidental. Columbia did not give him Alinsky, nor did Columbia reach back to his formative years.
Since BBBB, Lrdchaos, and avicado love playing the race card, maybe they can point out a single positive thing democrats have done for blacks?
They enslaved them, fought against giving them freedom, fought against giving them the vote. Enacted Jim Crowe laws. Started the KKK. Destroyed the black family with welfare and abortion. Told them they weren't expected to be successful with set-asides and quotas.
Every protest and riot involving police brutality against blacks has happened in a democrat run city.
They enslaved them, fought against giving them freedom, fought against giving them the vote. Enacted Jim Crowe laws. Started the KKK. Destroyed the black family with welfare and abortion. Told them they weren't expected to be successful with set-asides and quotas.
Every protest and riot involving police brutality against blacks has happened in a democrat run city.
You undeerestimate the deep penetration of the fellow travelers and wide ranging net they cast in academia, in Obamas case, agree he was indoctrinated his whole life, crazy mom, grand parents and his father and all their fellow communist cell members.
Well put, bravo. Some caveats. The fine for not having insurance was only $500 for the year for individual, not thousands. It allowed parents to cover children up to 26 yrs (which was arguably a good thing? It helped me out).
You seriously nailed the major democrat argument in this schpeil, paying out more in benefits than what is being contributed in. I see this right now with the mess that is the Dallas PD pension. Social security is also going that way.
How do you feel about tying health insurance to the employer as well?
I wish more healthcare facilities had straight up prices for medical care and that people would be more responsible about taking care of themselves. Things would improve right then and there.
I am sure that the response to your facts will be a hell of a specious one
The 26 year old coverage was a poison pill designed to kill OCare.
19 - 26 year old people are exactly those you want paying in to health insurance because they dont use it.
No premiums from healthy people to pay for unhealthy ones the system (ponzi scheme) collapses.
Granted most 19-26 year olds have bleak insurance possibilities.
For three of those years Uncle Sam paid mine as a member of the USMC.
Than for the next 5 it was mandatory at my college to have it. It was $1000 a year in the school program at the time. That was early mid 90s before the system had been fucked by handouts and allowing leeches free care.
After college because I got a degree in some thing other than "Hurt Feelings" I got a job that offered guess what - health insurance.
There are strong forces working to delay the adulthood of young Americans......no guns till 21, no smoking till 21, child until 26....
Yet you enlist at 18, 17 with permission- strange "child soldiers" dont bother commies here.
I would be all for raising the voting age until 26 where is that proposal?
The $500 was only the first year. It went up exponentially after that, and that wasn’t the crusher. The crusher was it mandated tons of coverage that no 20 something ADULT wanted or needed. Pre Obamacare a 24yo guy in my office paid $65/month with a $2000 deductible that kicked in at $1,500. After Obamacare I never heard the end of how now he was paying $350/month for prenatal coverage and a ton of other crap that didn’t even apply, much less he might need. His deductible skyrocketed, and it kicked in immediately. In short he paid 6 times as much for 6 times shittier care.
Any communist excuse for this abortion is lipstick on a pig. Pretty much everything we said about it was true, and everything we were told by the Democrats turned out to be lies...with the exception that poor people had “health insurance”, ZERO evidence they had any better care than the free ER they’ve always had and never paid for either.
Honestly, leftists don’t understand the most basic liberal terms, like a “right”. They think that means they get free stuff. In the end @WX54/XM-338 your exposition does nothing for them. They don’t care what the result of the policy is as long as it makes them feel good to support it. Avi has directly admitted as much, and while he’s more honest, the same goes for the rest of them. They cannot be as stupid as would be required to not understand reality. They simply don’t care because while they pretend it’s about everyone it’s really about themselves, so you see why they can’t look that in the face...
WGAF about detail. just know socialism kills, and kills in great numbers, suborning your life to the state is crazy
Kid just started school this week.
Art teacher wants them to do an art project.
One kid suggesed drawing a black hole showing all the guns being tossed into it.
I asked if the art teacher suggested that and he said she didnt.
I asked if if the government was the only one with guns what did he think would happen.
If it was a lie it was a good one cause it kept him in the house, he said govt would have all the power.
At eleven he gets it.
Art teacher wants them to do an art project.
One kid suggesed drawing a black hole showing all the guns being tossed into it.
I asked if the art teacher suggested that and he said she didnt.
I asked if if the government was the only one with guns what did he think would happen.
If it was a lie it was a good one cause it kept him in the house, he said govt would have all the power.
At eleven he gets it.
I'm self employed so Obamacare really fucked me. $300/mo pre OC w/ low deductible/max out-of-pocket to now over $1000/mo for shit coverage w/ high deductible/out-of-pocket. Fuck 'em, I'm not paying $12K+/yr for shitty coverage and I'll take my chances till 65. Also pisses me off all the horn blowing about the individual mandate being gone. No it's not - not until 2019 unless something changed.
Obama brought the race baiters, racist, riots back to the 60's level...... He was a plant, most likely from Soros with all the money he has and is anti-AMERICAN as he is........
I was going to explain to you exactly why this graph is the equivalent of moving the goal posts 40 yards closer yet still calling it a 100 yard field but I'll just type something shorter here, as you decided to go with the 'Youz Rassict' angle in your 2nd post (p.s - calling me a racists has about as much of an effect on my feelings as calling me a dum dum poopyhead; the term is meaningless). I was also going to go through the reasons for the dip in 2008 right before obama showed up (the chickens came home to roost on the Congressional meddling with regulatory policy; Frank/Dodd anyone?) and then was going to make a pretty chart that showed, if removing 'the dip' and comparing apples to apples as far as NET performance, the GDP% growth under Obama was laughable and even more so when you remember that any growth (as pitiful as it was) did occur, it was from Quantitative Easing; you remember, where we basically sold worthless treasuries to ourselves to prop the economy up because the people in charge had no clue, and they sure as shit had no Plan B?
So start before 'the dip'. Factor in QE, and you'll see how pathetic it is.
And ok, lets live in pretend land for a minute and say obama and his policies actually did this massive growth. With what? How? Cash for clunkers? Giving Iran and North Korea money? Continue to fight a war you don't want to win in Afghanistan/Iraq? Obamacare? EL O EL
Seriously, what policies that obama implemented resulted in actual, real economic growth? He did nothing. He passed no meaningful anything as he basically spent 50% of his time in office trying to make his legacy with Obamacare, and we all know how popular that is now. So...exactly where did all this magical economic growth come from? (hint: we'll be paying on it, with massive interest, for the next 50+ years).
Hell, even the jobs reports they put out were total bullshit. 'More jobs' yet...less workforce participation? EL o EL
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The idiots that say Healthcare is better do not work in healthcare and probably didn't deserve it anyway. It's not a RIGHT...it a bi-product of hard work and sacrifice. Healthcare would be cheaper for everyone if the fucking liberals and welfare recipients were held accountable for their part. Obama tried to buy the presidency by offering something for nothing which is impossible and counter productive. He got it done but now Trump is left cleaning up the mess. 52% of America work and pay taxes. Imagine if the liberals got on board with everyone earning their way.
What if BBBB, Avidouche &lordchaos were really these fuckfaces?
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They may as well be. They espouse the same shit.
ACA was NEVER about health care, it was about securing a voter block. To an extent I also think one objective was to hurt small businesses, whom typically lean republican. I work for a small company (17 people) and insurance went up 50%. We are lucky and don’t have to pay for our insurance but I don’t know how much longer that will last. By putting the screws to small businesses it pushes more people into ACA and creates more potential Democrat voters.
Stand by brother.
For making total sense there is a total liberal shit fit headed your way and you can bet your ass it will start off with a SNEERING "Just what one would expect A GERMAN to say......" Loaded with baseless insinuations and ignorance of all except placing their own personal biases at your door step.....
When will these liberal Communist MFers come to realize Nathan Bedford Forest and Robert Byrd (Hillarys self proclaimed mentor) were theirs?
That's fine. If that's all they got, then whatever.
I've fought on 2 continents over 5 deployments for 2 different countries. I'm more American than most. The only thing I haven't been able to shoot yet is a communist.
welp, you will get your chance if the trajectory of the insanity continues. they will get violent much more than they have already before they give up the 8 years of "Progress" their dear leader Obama gained. Be ready to kill every last one of them, because they are ready to kill every last believer in the Constitution.
listen to that cocksucker today he sounds like an old timey commissar. thats a dog whistle speech to his acolytes
Buy more ammo, and a few extra barrels for the AR's
listen to that cocksucker today he sounds like an old timey commissar. thats a dog whistle speech to his acolytes
Buy more ammo, and a few extra barrels for the AR's
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