Rolling around the idea of switching from my mdt acc to an arc xylo. I have no real complaints about the acc but the xylo seems to draw me in for some reason. I’ve never handled a xylo which makes my decision much harder and that’s why I’m looking for first hand accounts of experience with both and if the switch would be worth it. Current set up in the acc. Also as much as opinions are appreciated I’m really only looking for insight between the acc and the xylo not other stocks or chassis’s.
Convince me to keep my ACC chassis
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Having both an acc and a xylo, I like em both but I’m not sure I would put myself out money to make the switch. It won’t get you anymore points besides aesthetics.
People would become better shooters faster if they spent more money on training and practice and less money on stuff that makes little to no difference.
Stop fucking with your gear and shoot
If you don't have any complaints with your current setup, then I wouldn't make the switch. I would go to matches and try to find someone with the xylo and ask to run a few round through it before dropping another grand on a chassis.
Buy a manners TCS and you will be glad you did.
Wow tell us how you really feel why don’t you.
Op- if you don’t have any real complaints then I’d wait till you get hands on at a match.
The Xylo grip reminds me of a Bravo if you've ever felt one of those. Having both chassis I like the ACC more but they are both awesome. The thin recoil pad on the XYLO is not my favorite.
Keep what you've got.
Keep what you've got.
I'm not going to say one is better than the other, and I have owned/ still own both. Both rifles are currently Xylo chassis.
The quick adjust LOP in the Xylo is pretty sweet and std. LOP starts at roughly 12.75"
Grip is a little thick on the Xylo, but I've got sausages for fingers so that might not be an issue for you.
The recoil lug clamp in the Xylo is an actual tapered clamp and will hold the action in place w/o action screws.
Buttpad and cheekpiece are both easily adjustable. Buttpad is also cant adjustable.
The biggest difference, if you were to order today is, ACC is 8-10 weeks backorder and the Xylo ships today if ordered before noon PST.
You should be able to find a used Xylo in the PX for around 750-850 (w/o any weights and such)
Probably the biggest advantage to the Xylo is the eccentric on the mag latch that negates the need for a barricade stop. I can put all of my weight
against the rifle with the mag pushed into a bag and there's zero rearward movement of the mag.
I just feel the Xylo is a bit more comfortable to shoot. Just personal opinion.
The quick adjust LOP in the Xylo is pretty sweet and std. LOP starts at roughly 12.75"
Grip is a little thick on the Xylo, but I've got sausages for fingers so that might not be an issue for you.
The recoil lug clamp in the Xylo is an actual tapered clamp and will hold the action in place w/o action screws.
Buttpad and cheekpiece are both easily adjustable. Buttpad is also cant adjustable.
The biggest difference, if you were to order today is, ACC is 8-10 weeks backorder and the Xylo ships today if ordered before noon PST.
You should be able to find a used Xylo in the PX for around 750-850 (w/o any weights and such)
Probably the biggest advantage to the Xylo is the eccentric on the mag latch that negates the need for a barricade stop. I can put all of my weight
against the rifle with the mag pushed into a bag and there's zero rearward movement of the mag.
I just feel the Xylo is a bit more comfortable to shoot. Just personal opinion.
All good info, probably going to wait until I can actually get behind one before I buy unless a great deal comes up used and then it might be worth giving it a shot.
that's the way to go if you aren't twitching to try it
I was going to suggest picking it up and moving your action over and running it for a month and selling the one you like less.
Scratches the itch, answers the question, and provides peace of mind.
I've noticed that with many things there are "intangibles" that present themselves that you can't compare objectively. Logically & objectively, A might better than B, but something about B just draws you to it and prefer it, even if objectively not as good. Much later, you might figure out why.
I am interested to hear more as well.
After a lot of research, I found the ACC to be perfect for my needs, and anything else would be a step down.
-Stan
Chassis are 6 of one half a dozen of another in alot of ways. I've owned both and only own the xylo anymore. While my scores were actually better with the xylo it wasn't anything the xylo itself had they caused it, it's that for my body it just fits me perfect so I'm more repeatable. No matter what I did I couldn't ever get the acc to be "perfect" for me. That said both are well Mar and I have no doubt that I could have eventually adapted myself to the acc and seen similar scores but i don't see the point when I had something that just works. Now if @karagias aoke make a lightweight version id be on that like a fat kid on cake.
It ask comes down to if you have specific features you're looking for. Teds done some creative things with the xylo that I appreciate from an engineering perspective such as his bubble level placement, rock solid lop fast adjust, recoil clamp and the mag latch setup that prevents issues from loading into the front of the mag but outside of the mag latch one the rest of those aren't features I need or use.
All this is to say none of us can tell you what will be your goldilocks.
It ask comes down to if you have specific features you're looking for. Teds done some creative things with the xylo that I appreciate from an engineering perspective such as his bubble level placement, rock solid lop fast adjust, recoil clamp and the mag latch setup that prevents issues from loading into the front of the mag but outside of the mag latch one the rest of those aren't features I need or use.
All this is to say none of us can tell you what will be your goldilocks.
Design by spreadsheet. Just look at every picture of an MDT chassis ever. They're cold, empty, and joyless. Consumer grade for a disposable world. Perfectly useable while evoking emotionless detachment.
The Xylo feels like a piece of art; a little bit of Ted's brain. If you take the time to hand fit the grip, when you get behind the rifle it feels like home. Everything you want and nothing you don't. Little touches you never thought of, like equal length action screws and hidden LOP adjustments, without screaming 'Features and Benefits Sell Sheet'.
I have tried quite a few chassis, and I really like the Xylo. I doubt I could shoot it any better than any other chassis out there, but the overall feel, machining and attention to little details is what does it for me. Little things like all the edges being rounded over, using only a couple different size screw heads for everything, the countersunk holes, cheek piece elevator adjustment, the mag latch “hump” and just the overall engineering behind it, it just feels good, and every time I get behind it I feel comfortable.
I’m going to second @Dustyplyr, and say I would absolutely love for @karagias to make a lightweight version, even though it’s not overly heavy stripped down as it is. I would buy one yesterday.
Also to add, the customer service has been awesome, and that means a lot to me. Every time I have emailed with a question, I have received a reply and help within a day or so.
Picture because.
I’m going to second @Dustyplyr, and say I would absolutely love for @karagias to make a lightweight version, even though it’s not overly heavy stripped down as it is. I would buy one yesterday.
Also to add, the customer service has been awesome, and that means a lot to me. Every time I have emailed with a question, I have received a reply and help within a day or so.
Picture because.
I really dig the design/look of the Xylo, but having got behind one a few times, more than anything it left me wanting for whatever Ted's "2.0" version/take on it ends up being down the road. There's a saying in the south: "trying to do too much", and that sums up my takeaway with much of the ARC stuff.
Things that jumped out with the Xylo for me (JMHO): cheekpiece is pretty bad, most guys will have to crank it all the way up in its travel (or near there) to get it in-line with the bolt, so in a way it's not really that adjustable at all... really the whole backend seems sort of flimsy and prone to things working loose in the name of adjustability (that will mostly go unused)... on the other hand, that grip is pretty dang awesome.
I feel like Ted/ARC is too smart for their own good sometimes, the engineering is amazing for sure, but less is more sometimes, and simple/sturdy/won't-fuck-up-on-ya is better than having every possible option most of the time.
Honestly though, having tried pretty much everything out there, I'm biased: IMO there's the Manners TCS... and then everything else. The TCS is worth the money (a bargain actually, when compared to what it costs to actually kit out the others with weights and shit), and maybe even the wait too (the wait is far worse than the price tag).
Things that jumped out with the Xylo for me (JMHO): cheekpiece is pretty bad, most guys will have to crank it all the way up in its travel (or near there) to get it in-line with the bolt, so in a way it's not really that adjustable at all... really the whole backend seems sort of flimsy and prone to things working loose in the name of adjustability (that will mostly go unused)... on the other hand, that grip is pretty dang awesome.
I feel like Ted/ARC is too smart for their own good sometimes, the engineering is amazing for sure, but less is more sometimes, and simple/sturdy/won't-fuck-up-on-ya is better than having every possible option most of the time.
Honestly though, having tried pretty much everything out there, I'm biased: IMO there's the Manners TCS... and then everything else. The TCS is worth the money (a bargain actually, when compared to what it costs to actually kit out the others with weights and shit), and maybe even the wait too (the wait is far worse than the price tag).
Lol I think this thread proves that chassis preferences are a very personal thing.
I didn't mutch care for the acc, but the elite has some upgrades that'd make it better. My only complaint on the xylo is the high bore height and lack of adjustment in mag latch, other than that its a solid chassis. The acc has better bore height, but I didn't like the buttstock configuration. I sold it very quickly. Honestly I think the best chassis out is the envy pro, but eliminating the limbsaver in favor of a harder pad. Too much give at the butt causes deviation when shooting. All chassis will work, some have too long minimum LOP adjustment, some have too far grip to trigger, some are so ass heavy you need truck axle barrel for balance, or massive front weights and 28# final weight. I mean its cool to try a lot of stuff(I have def done this) but it's expensive! You lose 20% selling second hand usually. I try to find a few buds who are gun whore like me, we all buy different shit and swap/trade/test drive, end of day you find what fits you and is your preference. For me, it's xlr envy and the new atx 700 chassis. However I still have a xylo. But will likely get sold once my 3rd atx chassis is done with cerakote.
Great looking rifles, I’m sticking to that I need to get behind one first but they do seem to be a chassis with more “soul” than the acc. Then again souls not necessarily what helps with tiny groups.
