CZ-52, does anyone know anything about this particular firearm? I was told it was banned in the U.S. due to the ballistics of the 7.62x25mm Tokarev round and its penetration capabilities.
Any input?
Any input?
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Re: CZ-52
Want to buy some ocean front property in Arizona?
762Tok is not banned in the US. It IS a hot little round but in no way is it banned.
Want to buy some ocean front property in Arizona?
762Tok is not banned in the US. It IS a hot little round but in no way is it banned.
Re: CZ-52
Midway sells dies, snap caps and ammunition for it so I don't think it's banned. Good internet rumor though.
Oh, and there are several on Gunbroker.com for sale, I think they look like a soviet abortion but someone out there must think they are cool.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=139519588
Midway sells dies, snap caps and ammunition for it so I don't think it's banned. Good internet rumor though.
Oh, and there are several on Gunbroker.com for sale, I think they look like a soviet abortion but someone out there must think they are cool.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=139519588
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By the way, doesn't anyone use google.com anymore or is it just simpler to ask someone to google it for you?
By the way, doesn't anyone use google.com anymore or is it just simpler to ask someone to google it for you?
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Thanks for the info. Believe me, I Googled it but I wanted to see what everyone here has to say about it.
Thanks for the info. Believe me, I Googled it but I wanted to see what everyone here has to say about it.
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It is a hot little round,the CZ52 I had was in almost new shape,and I paid about $150 for it,if you do own one,do not dry fire it with the factory firing pin,you can buy the steel FP all day long(don't know about now),sold mine a few years ago.
It is a hot little round,the CZ52 I had was in almost new shape,and I paid about $150 for it,if you do own one,do not dry fire it with the factory firing pin,you can buy the steel FP all day long(don't know about now),sold mine a few years ago.
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Thanks for the info, I've seen where that round will penetrate steel. Sure is hot. I just bid on one on GB.com
Thanks for the info, I've seen where that round will penetrate steel. Sure is hot. I just bid on one on GB.com
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It's hot, but if you're a reloader for it, don't try pushing the envelope too far. This is a good example of where the brass is stronger than the chamber. Lots of people have blown them apart, and the first signs of pressure are generally self destructed chambers.
I have 1, and my dad has a pair. They're exceptionally well made, unlike the actual Tokarev, which looks like it was whittled by a blind person with 9 thumbs and 1 missing finger.
There's a little wildcat based on the 7.62x25 case called the "22 Reed Express".
Barrels are non-existent right now for it because the guy who owns the name had a falling out with the barrel supplier. We're working on making barrels for it, it's on the "soon to do" list.
It will throw a 50gr FMJ around 2k fps and a 30-35gr Vmax closer to 3k.
It's hot, but if you're a reloader for it, don't try pushing the envelope too far. This is a good example of where the brass is stronger than the chamber. Lots of people have blown them apart, and the first signs of pressure are generally self destructed chambers.
I have 1, and my dad has a pair. They're exceptionally well made, unlike the actual Tokarev, which looks like it was whittled by a blind person with 9 thumbs and 1 missing finger.
There's a little wildcat based on the 7.62x25 case called the "22 Reed Express".
Barrels are non-existent right now for it because the guy who owns the name had a falling out with the barrel supplier. We're working on making barrels for it, it's on the "soon to do" list.
It will throw a 50gr FMJ around 2k fps and a 30-35gr Vmax closer to 3k.
Re: CZ-52
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bohem</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It's hot, but if you're a reloader for it, don't try pushing the envelope too far. This is a good example of where the brass is stronger than the chamber. Lots of people have blown them apart, and the first signs of pressure are generally self destructed chambers.
I have 1, and my dad has a pair. They're exceptionally well made, unlike the actual Tokarev, which looks like it was whittled by a blind person with 9 thumbs and 1 missing finger.
There's a little wildcat based on the 7.62x25 case called the "22 Reed Express".
Barrels are non-existent right now for it because the guy who owns the name had a falling out with the barrel supplier. We're working on making barrels for it, it's on the "soon to do" list.
It will throw a 50gr FMJ around 2k fps and a 30-35gr Vmax closer to 3k. </div></div>
Wish I knew this before I sold mine,sounds like a really fun cartridge,are you planning on making the barrel any longer,or just stock length?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bohem</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It's hot, but if you're a reloader for it, don't try pushing the envelope too far. This is a good example of where the brass is stronger than the chamber. Lots of people have blown them apart, and the first signs of pressure are generally self destructed chambers.
I have 1, and my dad has a pair. They're exceptionally well made, unlike the actual Tokarev, which looks like it was whittled by a blind person with 9 thumbs and 1 missing finger.
There's a little wildcat based on the 7.62x25 case called the "22 Reed Express".
Barrels are non-existent right now for it because the guy who owns the name had a falling out with the barrel supplier. We're working on making barrels for it, it's on the "soon to do" list.
It will throw a 50gr FMJ around 2k fps and a 30-35gr Vmax closer to 3k. </div></div>
Wish I knew this before I sold mine,sounds like a really fun cartridge,are you planning on making the barrel any longer,or just stock length?
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SANDRAT</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bohem</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It's hot, but if you're a reloader for it, don't try pushing the envelope too far. This is a good example of where the brass is stronger than the chamber. Lots of people have blown them apart, and the first signs of pressure are generally self destructed chambers.
I have 1, and my dad has a pair. They're exceptionally well made, unlike the actual Tokarev, which looks like it was whittled by a blind person with 9 thumbs and 1 missing finger.
There's a little wildcat based on the 7.62x25 case called the "22 Reed Express".
Barrels are non-existent right now for it because the guy who owns the name had a falling out with the barrel supplier. We're working on making barrels for it, it's on the "soon to do" list.
It will throw a 50gr FMJ around 2k fps and a 30-35gr Vmax closer to 3k. </div></div>
Wish I knew this before I sold mine,sounds like a really fun cartridge,are you planning on making the barrel any longer,or just stock length? </div></div>
The loading data has 5" and 10" barrel lengths quoted. We were planning on making our barrel the same length as the original.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SANDRAT</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bohem</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It's hot, but if you're a reloader for it, don't try pushing the envelope too far. This is a good example of where the brass is stronger than the chamber. Lots of people have blown them apart, and the first signs of pressure are generally self destructed chambers.
I have 1, and my dad has a pair. They're exceptionally well made, unlike the actual Tokarev, which looks like it was whittled by a blind person with 9 thumbs and 1 missing finger.
There's a little wildcat based on the 7.62x25 case called the "22 Reed Express".
Barrels are non-existent right now for it because the guy who owns the name had a falling out with the barrel supplier. We're working on making barrels for it, it's on the "soon to do" list.
It will throw a 50gr FMJ around 2k fps and a 30-35gr Vmax closer to 3k. </div></div>
Wish I knew this before I sold mine,sounds like a really fun cartridge,are you planning on making the barrel any longer,or just stock length? </div></div>
The loading data has 5" and 10" barrel lengths quoted. We were planning on making our barrel the same length as the original.
Re: CZ-52
I've had three, and found them to be very good in function, but right crappy in fit and finish..LOL.
Good military weapon.
I've had three, and found them to be very good in function, but right crappy in fit and finish..LOL.
Good military weapon.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HM Spike</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Probably one of the best Truck Guns available </div></div>
Yeah, along with the CZ 82's as well.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HM Spike</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Probably one of the best Truck Guns available </div></div>
Yeah, along with the CZ 82's as well.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fu89</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks for the info, I've seen where that round will penetrate steel. Sure is hot. I just bid on one on GB.com </div></div>
the reason its a hot round for a pistol....is because the round was made for what it was made for.....a subgun....that is a machinegun for pistol cartridges....but this one happens to be a bottle neck case
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fu89</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks for the info, I've seen where that round will penetrate steel. Sure is hot. I just bid on one on GB.com </div></div>
the reason its a hot round for a pistol....is because the round was made for what it was made for.....a subgun....that is a machinegun for pistol cartridges....but this one happens to be a bottle neck case
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BOLTRIPPER</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fu89</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks for the info, I've seen where that round will penetrate steel. Sure is hot. I just bid on one on GB.com </div></div>
the reason its a hot round for a pistol....is because the round was made for what it was made for.....a subgun....that is a machinegun for pistol cartridges....but this one happens to be a bottle neck case </div></div>
Not unlike the 7.63 Mauser round.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BOLTRIPPER</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fu89</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks for the info, I've seen where that round will penetrate steel. Sure is hot. I just bid on one on GB.com </div></div>
the reason its a hot round for a pistol....is because the round was made for what it was made for.....a subgun....that is a machinegun for pistol cartridges....but this one happens to be a bottle neck case </div></div>
Not unlike the 7.63 Mauser round.
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The CZ52 is the ONLY semi auto that is weaker than the brass, that I have tested.
I have blown up lots of revolvers, split the cylinder and broke the top strap in a work up, but the CZ52 is not a revolver, and so is in a class by itself for weakness.
Contrary to what loads books say, the Tokarev pistol is much stronger, and can take load work ups until the primer falls out.
What does it all mean?
If you see someone shooting a CZ52, don't stand to the right of him. When the pistol blows up, that is in the line of fire for the Shrapnel.
The CZ52 is the ONLY semi auto that is weaker than the brass, that I have tested.
I have blown up lots of revolvers, split the cylinder and broke the top strap in a work up, but the CZ52 is not a revolver, and so is in a class by itself for weakness.
Contrary to what loads books say, the Tokarev pistol is much stronger, and can take load work ups until the primer falls out.
What does it all mean?
If you see someone shooting a CZ52, don't stand to the right of him. When the pistol blows up, that is in the line of fire for the Shrapnel.
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Problem is ammo since its loaded (mil surplus) differently, S&B Czech ammo is much hotter than Russian or Yugo for example. Pistols being old one can never tell for sure what went wrong (atleast in those cases found on internet) but i've shot with TT33 manufactured in 1945 (chromed variant) in Tula and it ate quite happilly everything it was served without making another hole in my head... It really fun to shoot, mild recoil, quite accurate but penetration is a problem if shooting steel.
I'd say closest (as far as ballistics is concerned) new gun would be a FN's Fiveseven which i think was attempted?? to make illegal in USA in 2005 and is supposed to be used by your Secret Service personnel.
Problem is ammo since its loaded (mil surplus) differently, S&B Czech ammo is much hotter than Russian or Yugo for example. Pistols being old one can never tell for sure what went wrong (atleast in those cases found on internet) but i've shot with TT33 manufactured in 1945 (chromed variant) in Tula and it ate quite happilly everything it was served without making another hole in my head... It really fun to shoot, mild recoil, quite accurate but penetration is a problem if shooting steel.
I'd say closest (as far as ballistics is concerned) new gun would be a FN's Fiveseven which i think was attempted?? to make illegal in USA in 2005 and is supposed to be used by your Secret Service personnel.
Re: CZ-52
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Clark</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The CZ52 is the ONLY semi auto that is weaker than the brass, that I have tested.
I have blown up lots of revolvers, split the cylinder and broke the top strap in a work up, but the CZ52 is not a revolver, and so is in a class by itself for weakness.
Contrary to what loads books say, the Tokarev pistol is much stronger, and can take load work ups until the primer falls out.
What does it all mean?
If you see someone shooting a CZ52, don't stand to the right of him. When the pistol blows up, that is in the line of fire for the Shrapnel. </div></div>
If you have "Blown up lots of Revolvers",it does not sound like anywhere is safe when you are "Working Up" a load.I used to shoot Handgun Metallic Silhouette,and we shot some pretty f#&king hot loads,both S&W and Ruger revolvers and TC Contenders(no such thing as an Encore back then),I have yet to blow up or ruin a single handgun,or rifle either.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Clark</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The CZ52 is the ONLY semi auto that is weaker than the brass, that I have tested.
I have blown up lots of revolvers, split the cylinder and broke the top strap in a work up, but the CZ52 is not a revolver, and so is in a class by itself for weakness.
Contrary to what loads books say, the Tokarev pistol is much stronger, and can take load work ups until the primer falls out.
What does it all mean?
If you see someone shooting a CZ52, don't stand to the right of him. When the pistol blows up, that is in the line of fire for the Shrapnel. </div></div>
If you have "Blown up lots of Revolvers",it does not sound like anywhere is safe when you are "Working Up" a load.I used to shoot Handgun Metallic Silhouette,and we shot some pretty f#&king hot loads,both S&W and Ruger revolvers and TC Contenders(no such thing as an Encore back then),I have yet to blow up or ruin a single handgun,or rifle either.
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I don't overload test gun designs around other people.
For some tests, I have a concrete wall between me and the gun.
The dangerous stuff to come out of the CZ52s I have blown up are pieces of the extractor, which penetrated a good thickness of wood. Those lethal projectiles come out of the right side of the pistol
The big problem with CZ52s is that the chamber is thin [0.056" ~ 0.060"] on the bottom over the relief cut for the rollers.
Also, the heat treat on the barrels varies from RC25 to RC35 on the military barrels and up to RC47 on after market barrels.
This means that some CZ52s will blow up with factory ammo, others with hot loads that do not otherwise harm the brass, and still other do not blow up.
There is one pistol with a thinner chamber, the Kel-Tec P3AT .380. But it has heat treat ~ RC47, and has such poor case support that any work up past factory ammo starts to have case bulge, so those pistols are still stronger than the brass.
I don't overload test gun designs around other people.
For some tests, I have a concrete wall between me and the gun.
The dangerous stuff to come out of the CZ52s I have blown up are pieces of the extractor, which penetrated a good thickness of wood. Those lethal projectiles come out of the right side of the pistol
The big problem with CZ52s is that the chamber is thin [0.056" ~ 0.060"] on the bottom over the relief cut for the rollers.
Also, the heat treat on the barrels varies from RC25 to RC35 on the military barrels and up to RC47 on after market barrels.
This means that some CZ52s will blow up with factory ammo, others with hot loads that do not otherwise harm the brass, and still other do not blow up.
There is one pistol with a thinner chamber, the Kel-Tec P3AT .380. But it has heat treat ~ RC47, and has such poor case support that any work up past factory ammo starts to have case bulge, so those pistols are still stronger than the brass.
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Clark,sorry about that,you never mentioned that these were test guns that you blew up.I had a visual of some mad scientist reloader out of control.
Clark,sorry about that,you never mentioned that these were test guns that you blew up.I had a visual of some mad scientist reloader out of control.
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