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    One centillion

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    We finally reach a centillion, the 100th -illion, equal to 1 followed by 303 zeros. It's the largest -illion with an official name in English. Since it's about 10118 times the number of Planck times in the observable universe, surely a centillion is too big to represent anything in the real world, right?

    Actually, there are several ways to get numbers as big as a centillion. One thing you could consider is that since the portion of the universe that is visible is always expanding, we can consider the future volume of the universe, which is also something Sbiis Saibian talks about in an article of his[1C]. In this case, the observable universe would have a volume of about a centillion Planck volumes roughly 1050 years in the future.

    What will the universe be like in 1050 years? There are several theories. According to Wikipedia[8], there is a theory that after an EXTREMELY long time (believed to be between 1035 and 1043 years) protons will decay into a pion (which quickly decays into pure energy) and a positron, causing all the matter in the universe to eventually cease to exist. Even if protons do not decay, the universe will be very different from how it is now in 1050 years. Maybe all stars will be somehow thrown into black holes, and maybe even rigid matter will start rearranging atoms as if it was liquid on a very long scale. It's all pretty mind-boggling, and quite scary as well. Therefore this isn't the best way to get a feel of how much a centillion is.

    Another not-as-scary way to consider numbers as big as a centillion is with something called quartic hypervolume. What exactly is that? It's what you get when considering time as a fourth dimension, along with the three spatial dimensions.

    A simple example of quartic hypervolume would be as follows: Imagine a cube a light-year wide, and considering it only for a year. Then the quartic hypervolume of that cube for a year is one quartic light-year. Now, imagine a cube 2 light years wide, considering it for a year. Then the quartic hypervolume of that cube for a year would be 8 quartic light-years. But if you considered that same 2-light-year-cube considering it for 2 years, then the quartic hypervolume would be 16 quartic light-years.

    With that in mind, we can now consider quartic hypervolumes, but on a Planck scale. We'll use the Planck length, but what time unit will we use? The unit we can use is the Planck time. What is a Planck time? The Planck time is the time analog of the Planck length, defined as the amount of time it takes for light to travel a Planck length, about 5.39*10-44 seconds. Planck times are very analogous to Planck lengths. When dealing with sub-Planck times it is theorized that the concepts of past and future get scrambled up. Therefore two events that occur less than a Planck time apart can be considered simultaneous.

    How would you work with that for the observable universe? You need to do a bit of math. The real formula for quartic hypervolume of the entire observable universe is pretty complicated, but a decent aproximation formula given by Robert Munafo[9] is:

    1/4 * a * 4/3 * π * r^3

    where a is the age of the universe in Planck times and r is its radius in Planck lengths.

    The current radius of the observable universe in Planck lengths is 2.75*1061 and the age in Planck times is 8.03*1060. The values are quite close, but relation between the values is complicated.

    But for simplicity's sake, we can assume that at any time the Planck radius will generally be 3.42 times the Planck age. Though this is not strictly true, it's a decent estimation which allows us to simplify the formula to:

    1/4 * a * 4/3 * π * (3.42*a)^3

    Simplifying further gives us the formula for quartic hypervolume based on age:

    41.89*a4

    Now, things just got a lot simpler. Now all we need to is solve the equation:

    10^303 = 41.89*a^4

    a = 2.2104e75

    Keep in mind that a is in Planck times, so what we need to do ... all we need to is convert to years. That gives us 3.778 septillion years. Then we can say:

    The quartic hypervolume of the observable universe from the Big Bang to 3.778 septillion years in the future is about a centillion quartic Planck units.

    However, another way we can consider a centillion's size is by probability, but we'll get to that in a later article. For now we'll push the idea of measuring things to its very limits by going hypothetical!

    Beyond?

    How would we get numbers beyond a centillion in the real world? By now it's difficult, but the best option we have goes as follows:

    First off, it is theorized that the universe encompasses an area far greater than the observable universe. It is not known how big that area is. Some believe that the size of the whole universe is infinite, but that would be boring to us since that would not provide a real example of a large finite number. Something more interesting, however, is that the size of the entire universe, based on extrapolations from the theory of inflation in the Big Bang, may be something on the order of 1010^12 meters wide. That's quite big alright, since this estimate is one followed by a trillion zeros. This number is horrifying to even complicate. To get the size of this entire universe you need to dwarf the diameter of the observable universe by a factor of its diameter in meters, 37,000,000,000 times! If you did such a gigantic dwarfing factor once every second, then it would take 1190 years to get the size of what could be the entire universe!! This diameter is so big that it doesn't really matter what units we use (it could be Planck lengths or yottameters); the estimate is still around 1010^12.

    However, chaotic inflation is a theory devised by Andrei Linde that allows for even bigger estimates of the size of the universe. With chaotic inflation, there can be something known as a Grand Universe, which can be imagined as not just one single universe, but a sort of "grand universe" with local Big Bangs constantly going off. Not a lot is known about how that theory would work in the real world, but it can lead to some even bigger numbers. Sbiis Saibian lower-bounded the chaotic inflationary size of the universe by assuming that it expanded by a factor of 1010^12 every Planck time and extending it to 13.7 billion years, to be on the order of 1010^64 [10]. This is an interesting figure especially since it's a lower bound. With such a Grand Universe it could well be that our Big Bang was not even the first ... and yet, with that theory the universe still must be finite. It's impossible to really know how big the Grand Universe might be, or if it even exists ...

    Is it possible to go further than this Grand Universe? Maybe theoretically, but anything past measuring the entire observable universe is quite theoretical, especially with the idea of chaotic inflation. For now let's review what we've seen.

    Conclusion

    As we saw, millions, billions, and trillions are way bigger numbers than you probably thought, and the even bigger numbers like a vigintillion are absolutely incredible! Our world is full of large numbers, but it's easy to make numbers so big that our world can't even keep up with their size! But hold on, those are for later. For now let's continue with looking at the legendary numbers, the googol and googolplex, with their history, size, and cultural impact, and after that we'll return to the idea of large numbers in the real world with probability.
     
    ".....there is a theory that after an EXTREMELY long time (believed to be between 1035 and 1043 years)..."

    That sentence is pure retard.

    This must come from a British news mag.

    Is a millenium even a measure of time when considering the universe?

    I thought the same thing but it must be a misunderstanding. It has to mean something else.

    10,000 years is a pimple on the butt of the universe.

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    I think there is an implied 10^12 in there which would make a lot more sense
     
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    If you want an idea of what centillion is, then put a dozen nameless, faceless, ultra rich bankers in charge of the global economy, they'll show you what that number means. Unfortunately, they will be showing you what you OWE them.

    Thank God for speed reading.

    The universe isn't as big as you think, it's quite finite actually. At the edge of the universe, is a giant brick wall, guarded by a mean dog. Very simple.
     
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    Your brain has about 80 billion neurons. Each neuron has on average 10,000 synapses connecting it to other neurons, about 800 trillion synapses in total. The basis of memory is synaptic plasticity- a synapse can undergo a persistent change in strength depending on prior history. The total collection of potential brain states is greater than 2 (the minimum number of synaptic states) raised to the 800 trillion power, a number that exceeds the number of atoms in the universe.
     
    Your brain has about 80 billion neurons. Each neuron has on average 10,000 synapses connecting it to other neurons, about 800 trillion synapses in total. The basis of memory is synaptic plasticity- a synapse can undergo a persistent change in strength depending on prior history. The total collection of potential brain states is greater than 2 (the minimum number of synaptic states) raised to the 800 trillion power, a number that exceeds the number of atoms in the universe.

    Um.....my brain has morons. I'll just leave this here:
     
    AOC was taking her lunch break when one of her aides casually mentioned while browsing the news, "oh by the way, did you know that two Brazilian soldiers were killed while conducting drug operations yesterday?" AOC's face showed an expression of pure shock, and then dissolved into tears. "My God... How many is a Brazilian???", she stammered.
     
    If you want an idea of what centillion is, then put a dozen nameless, faceless, ultra rich bankers in charge of the global economy, they'll show you what that number means. Unfortunately, they will be showing you what you OWE them.

    Thank God for speed reading.

    The universe isn't as big as you think, it's quite finite actually. At the edge of the universe, is a giant brick wall, guarded by a mean dog. Very simple.
    There is a restaurant at the end of the universe
     
    There is a restaurant at the end of the universe


    And its Mexican. ?

    Within 5 miles (much smaller than a centillion) of my house, which is in a fairly rural area, there are 5 Mexican places. They pop up like mushrooms.
     
    ".....there is a theory that after an EXTREMELY long time (believed to be between 1035 and 1043 years)..."

    That sentence is pure retard.

    This must come from a British news mag.

    Is a millenium even a measure of time when considering the universe?
    Thought the same thing. 1,000 years is nothing to the universe, except perhaps for the Young Earth Creationism camp.
     
    Thought the same thing. 1,000 years is nothing to the universe, except perhaps for the Young Earth Creationism camp.

    My Bible says "replenish" the earth and not plenish.

    The Young Earth Creationism camp have reading comprehension problems it seems. The Earth is billions of years old, if not much older.

    Jesus still saves despite the well having been poisoned at the pulpit.
     
    My Bible says "replenish" the earth and not plenish.

    The Young Earth Creationism camp have reading comprehension problems it seems. The Earth is billions of years old, if not much older.

    Jesus still saves despite the well having been poisoned at the pulpit.
    *shrug* Only reason I mentioned them is 'cause they're the ones who say the Earth is only ~7K years old when most others, religious or otherwise, acknowledge the reality of the planet being much much older and accept that the knowledge of the ancient Hebrews was (understandably) rather lacking in some arenae and is not to be taken 100% at face value.
     
    Gotcha, I just want to point out for those who it may matter to that nowhere in scripture does it allude to a "young earth" in any translation or original language. That "belief" ( sect, cult, division, interpretation, whatever) first shows up in mainstream around the turn of last century so that is a relatively new belief, not a historical one.
    Well I would amend that to say that the use of the term "Young Earth Creationism" is a relatively recent invention, because the concept of the Earth being vastly younger than the reality was extant for the last couple thousand years with the likes of Calvin, Luther, and Shakespeare ascribing to it because of the lack of scientific study and methods that wouldn't be developed for another few centuries. That is to say, the literal interpretation of Genesis as being six 24-hour periods and heralding the beginning of an apparently traceable lineage from Adam down (which was roughly determined to be some six thousand years or so's worth of Hebrew genealogy) was still prevalent thought up until ca. 1800. The Scientific Revolution and strides in geology, paleontology, and archaeology among the other disciplines started to rethink that idea and started dating the Earth as older and older until we've come to the modern age and the billions-year-old theory.
     
    Well I would amend that to say that the use of the term "Young Earth Creationism" is a relatively recent invention, because the concept of the Earth being vastly younger than the reality was extant for the last couple thousand years with the likes of Calvin, Luther, and Shakespeare ascribing to it because of the lack of scientific study and methods that wouldn't be developed for another few centuries. That is to say, the literal interpretation of Genesis as being six 24-hour periods and heralding the beginning of an apparently traceable lineage from Adam down (which was roughly determined to be some six thousand years or so's worth of Hebrew genealogy) was still prevalent thought up until ca. 1800. The Scientific Revolution and strides in geology, paleontology, and archaeology among the other disciplines started to rethink that idea and started dating the Earth as older and older until we've come to the modern age and the billions-year-old theory.


    Theolutionists.
     
    Well I would amend that to say that the use of the term "Young Earth Creationism" is a relatively recent invention, because the concept of the Earth being vastly younger than the reality was extant for the last couple thousand years with the likes of Calvin, Luther, and Shakespeare ascribing to it because of the lack of scientific study and methods that wouldn't be developed for another few centuries. That is to say, the literal interpretation of Genesis as being six 24-hour periods and heralding the beginning of an apparently traceable lineage from Adam down (which was roughly determined to be some six thousand years or so's worth of Hebrew genealogy) was still prevalent thought up until ca. 1800. The Scientific Revolution and strides in geology, paleontology, and archaeology among the other disciplines started to rethink that idea and started dating the Earth as older and older until we've come to the modern age and the billions-year-old theory.

    Lets get right down to it:

     
    Well I would amend that to say that the use of the term "Young Earth Creationism" is a relatively recent invention, because the concept of the Earth being vastly younger than the reality was extant for the last couple thousand years with the likes of Calvin, Luther, and Shakespeare ascribing to it because of the lack of scientific study and methods that wouldn't be developed for another few centuries. That is to say, the literal interpretation of Genesis as being six 24-hour periods and heralding the beginning of an apparently traceable lineage from Adam down (which was roughly determined to be some six thousand years or so's worth of Hebrew genealogy) was still prevalent thought up until ca. 1800. The Scientific Revolution and strides in geology, paleontology, and archaeology among the other disciplines started to rethink that idea and started dating the Earth as older and older until we've come to the modern age and the billions-year-old theory.

    I just want to point here that number one, God’s time is not the same as earthly time. In other words, one day of God’s May be like 1000 years to us or more. As others have pointed out, it doesn’t say anywhere in the Bible that the earth is young, nor does it say that the days of Genesis was literally 24 hrs.

    Second, as you said, there are many things that prove the earth is a lot older than people think. Just because we go by a specific timeline doesn’t mean we think the earth is only 2000-5000 years old. In fact, there are many references to things in the Bible such as dragons that would indicate that people seen something that one could conclude might be dinosaurs indicating man was here at the same time.

    Third, you cannot assume that the generations after Adam are the same length as ours, see number one but I want to add that mans sinful nature corrupted not only the mind but the body and that people live a lot shorter lifespans than they did back during Adams time. In fact, the idea was that we were to live forever in the Garden of Eden until Adam and Eve sinned. We have been falling every since.
     
    I just want to point here that number one, God’s time is not the same as earthly time. In other words, one day of God’s May be like 1000 years to us or more. As others have pointed out, it doesn’t say anywhere in the Bible that the earth is young, nor does it say that the days of Genesis was literally 24 hrs.

    Second, as you said, there are many things that prove the earth is a lot older than people think. Just because we go by a specific timeline doesn’t mean we think the earth is only 2000-5000 years old. In fact, there are many references to things in the Bible such as dragons that would indicate that people seen something that one could conclude might be dinosaurs indicating man was here at the same time.

    Third, you cannot assume that the generations after Adam are the same length as ours, see number one but I want to add that mans sinful nature corrupted not only the mind but the body and that people live a lot shorter lifespans than they did back during Adams time. In fact, the idea was that we were to live forever in the Garden of Eden until Adam and Eve sinned. We have been falling every since.

    No disrespect intended to anyone or the discussion, but I stopped wondering and/or caring about that stuff years ago. What really matters is:

    -Im here, now.
    -How I conduct myself.

    Period.
     
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