Rifle Scopes Decision made!! Need help choosing scopes!

[Vicdiesel]

I am in need of a new scope of a .22 trainer.
I currently have 3 Athlon Argos BTR on a different .22 trainer, a .308 and a .300 win mag. They serve their purpose very well.
Since I am in need of a new scope and, most importantly, the .300 has shown exceptional accuracy, I am thinking of getting a higher end scope with zero stop.

My options are saving for a new scope of selling off my Razor Gen 2 4.5-27 and using the money for 2 scopes.

They would go on my AX308 (where the razor now sits) and a Remington.300 win 5r milspec in a chassis(now with one of the Athon)

What should I do? I don't compete and my current range only goes out to 200.

I am thinking SHV F1 or Viper Gen 2 5-25.

Thanks everyone!

BTW: Not interested in any snide or dick comments, just some sound advice.
I brought this up cause lately I've seen some useless comments posted.

I'm thick skinned enough, I just don't want to waste my time on dipshits!

 

[ICU22250]

I say it's your money spent, if you don't think you will ever need the capabilities of your Razor 2 then sell it and buy whatever your heart desires.. But one thing to remember here, once you sell your Razor 2 and buy those cheaper optics, it doesn't work both ways if and when you realize you've made a mistake... Those 2 cheaper optics probably won't sell for enough to get you back into another Razor. If it were me, if just save and buy the cheaper optic straight out and keep my Razor in case I changed my mind later... You can probably snag a gen 2 PST for about 900 in a 3-15 for your distances of 200 yards... Good luck on your decision..

 

[Vicdiesel]

Thanks for the response. That of course is my biggest concern, regretting whatever decision I make. Considering how happy I am with my gen 2, it is a hell of a scope, definitely overkill for what I do but, badass non the less!

 

[Glassaholic]

A little confused, just want to make sure I understand what you're asking. You say you need a new scope for a .22 trainer. You have a Razor HD Gen II on your AX308 and you have an Athlon Argos BTR on your Remington 300WM. Your Remmy 300WM has shown exceptional accuracy so you're thinking of upgrading the scope on that, so you would move the Athlon Argos BTR off the Remmy and onto your .22 trainer, then you are thinking of selling your Razor Gen II and using the money from that sale in order to get another scope for the AX308 and the Remmy 300WM, is that correct? Can you afford to add any cash or will the 2 scopes come entirely from the proceeds of the Razor Gen II? The PST II's are probably going to be great scopes fro the price, but I doubt they will beat Razor Gen II's in glass quality, typically with optics you get what you pay for. My biggest issue with Nightforce is they have pretty bad FOV numbers at the low end, take a look at the SHV F1 4-14 - at 4x you get 25.1' FOV but with the PST II 5-25 - at 5x you get 24.1' FOV, that is only a loss of 1' FOV and you get 11x more magnification at the top end. Granted the SHV might have slightly better glass but the PST II offers a lot more scope for the money. Like ICU said, the big question is whether or not you would regret selling the Razor Gen II, and I agree that getting a PST Gen II first before you sell the Razor and deciding on whether or not it will be a sufficient replacement, if you decide it's not worth replacing then you can always sell the PST II probably without much loss if you didn't bang it around and decide to go in another direction.

 

[Vicdiesel]

Wjm,
you got it right.
The pst 2 is an option I just don't want to wait so long for them to be out.

however, I have decided to hold off on selling the razor gen 2 and just bitting the bullet on a new optic.

thanks for the replies

 

[digrazir]

Wjm,
you got it right.
The pst 2 is an option I just don't want to wait so long for them to be out.

however, I have decided to hold off on selling the razor gen 2 and just bitting the bullet on a new optic.

thanks for the replies

I can see selling two lesser scopes for a high end scope. But I would never sell a high end scope for two lesser scopes. My guess is your decision to keep your Razor is one you will not regret...Ray

 

[WeiserBucks]

Why not move the Razor between rifles while you save money for another optic ? I know it's a pain to have to re-zero, but it's good trigger time and you'll have a premium optic on whatever rifle your shooting at the time.

I was in the same boat as you , I had 1 good scope, 3 rifles and no money at the time . I moved the scope between the 3 while I built funds to scope the others with quality glass.

It's already been said , I wouldn't sell a $2k scope to buy 2 $1k scopes.

 

[kansas]

I've been looking for a scope for a .22 trainer also and one of the things you need to think about is how close the scopes you choose will focus. I'd like to be able to focus down to 25 yards and that rules out quite a few scopes. Even the Gen II Razor will only focus down to 32 yards and I've experimented with that and know that those specs are correct. The Gen II PST will focus down to 25 yards but as you say it's going to be a few months before the FFP scopes show up. If I had more experience with the Athlon scopes I would have went that way but...buy once, cry once. I really don't have the extra cash to buy a new $1000 scope like the PST but by the time you get zero stop, focus down to 25 yards, decent glass, FFP, decent turrets then, even in the Athlons, price starts to get within a few hundred dollars of the Vortex and if you don't like the PST then resale will be much easier.

 

[pineoak]

I'd keep the Razor2 regardless of what you decide.

How often do you shoot the .300WM? What can it do for you that your .308 can't if you're not hunting?

I'd put the Razor2 on the .308, and the 3 Argos on both the .22s and the .300WM OR swap the Razor2 on the .300 & .308 as needed. Cheaper to buy a few rounds of ammo (record your adjustments and it'll be very very close) than an entirely new optic.

You can run Argos on the .22s and sell one. Make sure you have a GREAT mount on the Razor2 that you can use between both the .300 & .308. Spuhr, ARC M10s, NF Magmount, etc.

 

[digrazir]

I'd keep the Razor2 regardless of what you decide.

How often do you shoot the .300WM? What can it do for you that your .308 can't if you're not hunting?

I'd put the Razor2 on the .308, and the 3 Argos on both the .22s and the .300WM OR swap the Razor2 on the .300 & .308 as needed. Cheaper to buy a few rounds of ammo (record your adjustments and it'll be very very close) than an entirely new optic.

You can run Argos on the .22s and sell one. Make sure you have a GREAT mount on the Razor2 that you can use between both the .300 & .308. Spuhr, ARC M10s, NF Magmount, etc.

This is basically what I do. I have AI AT 308, 260, 6.5 Creedmoor, 243. S&B 5-25. I just record my settings from barrel to barrel. I had a Leupold Mark 4 on my AX338 which I really don't shoot that often and another Leupold Mark 4 on a SAC Defiance 30-06. I sold both Leupods and have a new S&B 5-25 and a Spuhr mount which will be here on Wednesday. I only shoot the 338 about 5 or 6 times a year anyway. After getting behind the S&B I found an excuse not to shoot the SAC not because I didn't like the rifle but because I didn't like the scope. With the Spuhr mount it will be easy to switch the S&B between the two rifles. Ray

 

[Vicdiesel]

Thanks for the replies guys!
the razor is mounted in a spuhr mount but I'll just suck it up and wait for the new optic.
Looking at a Cronus as an option as well.
i will keep the post updated.
Thanks!