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Re: My tree hugger sister finally figured it out .
nice... wonder what grade that will fetch....wonder what her prof. drives?...
nice... wonder what grade that will fetch....wonder what her prof. drives?...
Re: My tree hugger sister finally figured it out .
Most schools are festering liberal crapholes - so this well thought out, factually relevant work will not score well. Liberals NEVER let silly little things like FACTS get in the way of their righteous attitudes and beliefs.
Most schools are festering liberal crapholes - so this well thought out, factually relevant work will not score well. Liberals NEVER let silly little things like FACTS get in the way of their righteous attitudes and beliefs.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-weight: bold">My tree hugger sister finally figured it out</span></div></div>
Amusingly short-sighted. Or maybe I am. We bought 2 Priuses, two years apart. The second Pruis replaced my piece of shit WS6 Firebird which died at 140,000 miles--the a/c vacuum switch died and along with it, both air and defroster are inoperable... and there are no aftermarket or OEM replacement parts to be had anywhere at any price; at least, that's what two dealerships and a national parts chain claimed. The 'Bird was coming apart in its' last 5,000 miles--blown water pump, new timing chain, dead smog air pump, dead Oh-2 sensor, computer sporadically quit; oil pump dead, etc; all in the last 5,000 miles.
Why a Prius, especially when I could give a shit about the environment when compared to the cost?? Because one thing's right about the "dollar vs. environment" argument--it costs plenty to save it, and frankly, me and mine won't be here long enough to suffer the ramifications of a poor environment. So why'd I break down for two, count'em, two Priuses?
I didn't count the environmental benefits at all. I'm in Mississippi; down here the air's too clean for us to give a shit about the environment... I could run that WS6 with a blown smog air pump all year long without having to fix it--the O2 sensor was different, but it wasn't smog laws that made me fix it. And we're retired... we drive maybe a total of 80 miles a week, but in two different directions at the same time. Gas could go to $5 a gallon and it wouldn't hurt us in a 15mpg muscle car, as little as we drive weekly.
So, Why?? The answer is "blood". In the weekly ~80 miles we drive, I figure we sit at stop signs and lights about 25-30 minutes per trip (11-15 miles roundtrip average). When I sat at the light in that 17mpg WS6, I used to think, somebody's boy is over in the Middle East, prayin' he don't get killed for the gallon I'm burnin' here. And all his folks is all wishin' he lives to make it home--"mostly intact" is what they'd be satisfied with; I bet they're willin' to trade his eyesight for his life. Us, we got no kids. The environment??--that's for them of you whose kids gotta deal with it... we don't deliberately go out and litter with our cans, oil, etc., and burn toxics in the back yard like so many do down here, but 'environment' wasn't even a thought for us.
It was "blood". Somebody's losin' theirs so I can idle at the light. It'd be nice to take the economic power of oil/fuel away from them Ay-rab motherfuckers.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-weight: bold">My tree hugger sister finally figured it out</span></div></div>
Amusingly short-sighted. Or maybe I am. We bought 2 Priuses, two years apart. The second Pruis replaced my piece of shit WS6 Firebird which died at 140,000 miles--the a/c vacuum switch died and along with it, both air and defroster are inoperable... and there are no aftermarket or OEM replacement parts to be had anywhere at any price; at least, that's what two dealerships and a national parts chain claimed. The 'Bird was coming apart in its' last 5,000 miles--blown water pump, new timing chain, dead smog air pump, dead Oh-2 sensor, computer sporadically quit; oil pump dead, etc; all in the last 5,000 miles.
Why a Prius, especially when I could give a shit about the environment when compared to the cost?? Because one thing's right about the "dollar vs. environment" argument--it costs plenty to save it, and frankly, me and mine won't be here long enough to suffer the ramifications of a poor environment. So why'd I break down for two, count'em, two Priuses?
I didn't count the environmental benefits at all. I'm in Mississippi; down here the air's too clean for us to give a shit about the environment... I could run that WS6 with a blown smog air pump all year long without having to fix it--the O2 sensor was different, but it wasn't smog laws that made me fix it. And we're retired... we drive maybe a total of 80 miles a week, but in two different directions at the same time. Gas could go to $5 a gallon and it wouldn't hurt us in a 15mpg muscle car, as little as we drive weekly.
So, Why?? The answer is "blood". In the weekly ~80 miles we drive, I figure we sit at stop signs and lights about 25-30 minutes per trip (11-15 miles roundtrip average). When I sat at the light in that 17mpg WS6, I used to think, somebody's boy is over in the Middle East, prayin' he don't get killed for the gallon I'm burnin' here. And all his folks is all wishin' he lives to make it home--"mostly intact" is what they'd be satisfied with; I bet they're willin' to trade his eyesight for his life. Us, we got no kids. The environment??--that's for them of you whose kids gotta deal with it... we don't deliberately go out and litter with our cans, oil, etc., and burn toxics in the back yard like so many do down here, but 'environment' wasn't even a thought for us.
It was "blood". Somebody's losin' theirs so I can idle at the light. It'd be nice to take the economic power of oil/fuel away from them Ay-rab motherfuckers.
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How many miles/years are the Prius' batteries warranted for, and how much does it cost to replace them?
I wonder whether all that many Pius owners have gotten to see the true cost of ownership yet.
Don't get me wrong, with a significant cardio-pulmonary disability (I get out of breath just rolling the garbage collection bin the length of the driveway to the curb...), I breath better when the air is cleaner, and the demise of the ultimate Dino-Flash automotive achievements helped, no kidding.
The world has changed. Prius and his twisted sisters are not an answer. They're a stop along the way, on a long and winding road that may still end up going nowhere.
The idea of personal transportation, of personal anything (including rights), might as easily turn out to be as dead as the Dodo fifty years down the road. Current directions point to that bleak hinterland.
But we'll be happy, because we saved the planet. This time. From this threat.
Honestly, I worry less about the planet fifty years hence than I do about us folks who have to cope, right now, right here. Fifty years from now, me and that Dodo will be rolling craps in Paradise, wondering where all those virgins got to after the first week or so (the Dodo, less so...). Probably at Kohls...
Greg
How many miles/years are the Prius' batteries warranted for, and how much does it cost to replace them?
I wonder whether all that many Pius owners have gotten to see the true cost of ownership yet.
Don't get me wrong, with a significant cardio-pulmonary disability (I get out of breath just rolling the garbage collection bin the length of the driveway to the curb...), I breath better when the air is cleaner, and the demise of the ultimate Dino-Flash automotive achievements helped, no kidding.
The world has changed. Prius and his twisted sisters are not an answer. They're a stop along the way, on a long and winding road that may still end up going nowhere.
The idea of personal transportation, of personal anything (including rights), might as easily turn out to be as dead as the Dodo fifty years down the road. Current directions point to that bleak hinterland.
But we'll be happy, because we saved the planet. This time. From this threat.
Honestly, I worry less about the planet fifty years hence than I do about us folks who have to cope, right now, right here. Fifty years from now, me and that Dodo will be rolling craps in Paradise, wondering where all those virgins got to after the first week or so (the Dodo, less so...). Probably at Kohls...
Greg
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Jezza had the right idea http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsJjZIuF1lg
Jezza had the right idea http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsJjZIuF1lg
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Hi Greg,
I traded my 1999 Corvette in on a Prius this past January. I loved the 'vette and the Prius is a poor substitute in the power and handling departments.
My commute is 124 miles round trip per day, in December 08 (last full month with the 'vette) I spent $985 on fuel; in Feb 09 (first full month with the Prius) my fuel bill was $131.82!
Not only is my car payment "free" due to gas savings but my insurance as well.
Maybe when I retire I'll get another Corvette but as long as my commute is in effect, I'll stick to the Prius.
Dave
Hi Greg,
I traded my 1999 Corvette in on a Prius this past January. I loved the 'vette and the Prius is a poor substitute in the power and handling departments.
My commute is 124 miles round trip per day, in December 08 (last full month with the 'vette) I spent $985 on fuel; in Feb 09 (first full month with the Prius) my fuel bill was $131.82!
Not only is my car payment "free" due to gas savings but my insurance as well.
Maybe when I retire I'll get another Corvette but as long as my commute is in effect, I'll stick to the Prius.
Dave
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Dave,
I'm guessing that was an A4 trans and not an M6. I'm not sure on mpg ratings for C5s, but my buddy's dad has a C6 ('07 or '08) and he averaged 27mpg on a trip and that included the 160mph blast. Of course, that was one trip of all highway driving.
Dave,
I'm guessing that was an A4 trans and not an M6. I'm not sure on mpg ratings for C5s, but my buddy's dad has a C6 ('07 or '08) and he averaged 27mpg on a trip and that included the 160mph blast. Of course, that was one trip of all highway driving.
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I drive old cars. My primary is a '95 Honda LX wagon, and my secondary is a '93 Geo Tracker wich just ripped a crank seal while starting up after sitting idle for a year or two. I had been satring it up every month or two, but somehow, had managed to neglect it over the Summer. Now I gotta do a teardown. In Spring, when I get back from Florida, got enough to keep my busy before then...
No biggie..
I appreciate the fuel and insurance savings. At 124 miles per day, they certainly do add up. But so do the miles and months, while the warrantee ticks on down.
To me, as my Honda moves into the 260,000 mile range; 100,000 miles seems like it's just broken in. My Geo has only about 110,000, so it's well worth the effort to fix it, IMHO. I don't know, honestly don't know, where that Prius warrantee will be at 100,000 miles, what state the batteries will be in, and what it will cost to replace them. Maybe it'll be a downstream owner's problem, but that doesn't make me stop wondering.
Look, I understand. We do what we have to. Good gas mileage is good gas mileage. I just hope you didn't buy yourself a ticking bomb. Right now, I have too many questions about the new ones, and I sure'n Hell won't be buying one used; I'm not willing to be a guinea pig regarding the longevity of relatively new technology. What does Toyota say about endurance testing of their Prius?
Greg
I drive old cars. My primary is a '95 Honda LX wagon, and my secondary is a '93 Geo Tracker wich just ripped a crank seal while starting up after sitting idle for a year or two. I had been satring it up every month or two, but somehow, had managed to neglect it over the Summer. Now I gotta do a teardown. In Spring, when I get back from Florida, got enough to keep my busy before then...
No biggie..
I appreciate the fuel and insurance savings. At 124 miles per day, they certainly do add up. But so do the miles and months, while the warrantee ticks on down.
To me, as my Honda moves into the 260,000 mile range; 100,000 miles seems like it's just broken in. My Geo has only about 110,000, so it's well worth the effort to fix it, IMHO. I don't know, honestly don't know, where that Prius warrantee will be at 100,000 miles, what state the batteries will be in, and what it will cost to replace them. Maybe it'll be a downstream owner's problem, but that doesn't make me stop wondering.
Look, I understand. We do what we have to. Good gas mileage is good gas mileage. I just hope you didn't buy yourself a ticking bomb. Right now, I have too many questions about the new ones, and I sure'n Hell won't be buying one used; I'm not willing to be a guinea pig regarding the longevity of relatively new technology. What does Toyota say about endurance testing of their Prius?
Greg
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I think you would most likely find that 90% of prius owners actually own them for economical reasons and not for environmental ones.
I think you would most likely find that 90% of prius owners actually own them for economical reasons and not for environmental ones.
Re: My tree hugger sister finally figured it out .
HI RBE17
I could average over 30mph in the 'vette on long all highway trips but it dropped to 9 mph on surface streets. The real killer was prem. gas at .50-58 per gallon extra.
HI RBE17
I could average over 30mph in the 'vette on long all highway trips but it dropped to 9 mph on surface streets. The real killer was prem. gas at .50-58 per gallon extra.
Re: My tree hugger sister finally figured it out .
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: unrepentant</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-weight: bold">My tree hugger sister finally figured it out</span></div></div>
The second Pruis replaced my piece of shit WS6 Firebird which died at 140,000 miles--the a/c vacuum switch died and along with it, both air and defroster are inoperable... and there are no aftermarket or OEM replacement parts to be had anywhere at any price; at least, that's what two dealerships and a national parts chain claimed. The 'Bird was coming apart in its' last 5,000 miles--blown water pump, new timing chain, dead smog air pump, dead Oh-2 sensor, computer sporadically quit; oil pump dead, etc; all in the last 5,000 miles.
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How dare you talk bad about the TA!! Loved mine (sold it for a bike) but learned that if you dont take care of them they will eat your wallet up. What year was it cus if it was a LS1 its not going anywhere and parts are very plentiful.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: unrepentant</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-weight: bold">My tree hugger sister finally figured it out</span></div></div>
The second Pruis replaced my piece of shit WS6 Firebird which died at 140,000 miles--the a/c vacuum switch died and along with it, both air and defroster are inoperable... and there are no aftermarket or OEM replacement parts to be had anywhere at any price; at least, that's what two dealerships and a national parts chain claimed. The 'Bird was coming apart in its' last 5,000 miles--blown water pump, new timing chain, dead smog air pump, dead Oh-2 sensor, computer sporadically quit; oil pump dead, etc; all in the last 5,000 miles.
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How dare you talk bad about the TA!! Loved mine (sold it for a bike) but learned that if you dont take care of them they will eat your wallet up. What year was it cus if it was a LS1 its not going anywhere and parts are very plentiful.
Re: My tree hugger sister finally figured it out .
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mj2evans</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Most schools are festering liberal crapholes - so this well thought out, factually relevant work will not score well. Liberals NEVER let silly little things like FACTS get in the way of their righteous attitudes and beliefs. </div></div>
I'd say her impending "F" has more to do with her inability to form a complete thought, than what her "liberal" professor thinks of the "facts". Grammar, spelling, incomplete sentences, run on sentences, this paper has it all. Made my eyes hurt trying to read it.
Tell your sister to take a creative writing class before she graduates. If one of my employees handed me a report that read like this paper...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mj2evans</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Most schools are festering liberal crapholes - so this well thought out, factually relevant work will not score well. Liberals NEVER let silly little things like FACTS get in the way of their righteous attitudes and beliefs. </div></div>
I'd say her impending "F" has more to do with her inability to form a complete thought, than what her "liberal" professor thinks of the "facts". Grammar, spelling, incomplete sentences, run on sentences, this paper has it all. Made my eyes hurt trying to read it.
Tell your sister to take a creative writing class before she graduates. If one of my employees handed me a report that read like this paper...
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Wow , Tough Crowd ! I figured that since I put it in Maggies Drawers people would read it for the humorous content and not grade it . I bet you guys are a load of fun to hang out with in person .
Wow , Tough Crowd ! I figured that since I put it in Maggies Drawers people would read it for the humorous content and not grade it . I bet you guys are a load of fun to hang out with in person .
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Michael N</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wow , Tough Crowd ! I figured that since I put it in Maggies Drawers people would read it for the humorous content and not grade it . <span style="text-decoration: underline">I bet you guys are a load of fun to hang out with in person</span> . </div></div>
You don't know the half of it!
Sorry, I didn't see the original post.
I am seeing a lot of older folks driving Priuses.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Michael N</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wow , Tough Crowd ! I figured that since I put it in Maggies Drawers people would read it for the humorous content and not grade it . <span style="text-decoration: underline">I bet you guys are a load of fun to hang out with in person</span> . </div></div>
You don't know the half of it!
Sorry, I didn't see the original post.
I am seeing a lot of older folks driving Priuses.
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What does your car sound like? "Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa".....Love that VW commercial for the Diesel 57mpg jetta LOL
If you get a smart car in Canada they get 75mpg, but in the US they rate 40-50....dunno why.
I just spent $200 on my 96 Nissan truck and all of last weekend changing hte timing chain, thermostat (Was stuck open), PCV valve that was buried behind the timing cover etc etc...clutch, engine and tranny mounts, U-joints - all told $3000 worth of labor, but did it all myself...
My truck jumped from 18mpg to 30mpg overnight.....thermostat's that don't open don't warm the engine so the computer tells the engine to run rich until warmed up, so my PCV valve was gummed up because of it as well as everything else.
That was my 100,000 maintenance, at 28-30mpg I'm good for an other 100k.
But a lady at work here spent hte $30,000 on a prius. Asked her what she used to spend in gas per mo nth - roughly $150.
She said she sp ends $35-40 now.
Asked her what her car payment is, $495.....I burn maybe $100 a month in gas.
For some a prius is a bad idea, but for commuting - absolutely.
I still like the smart car tho - they have body kits for them now..
What does your car sound like? "Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa".....Love that VW commercial for the Diesel 57mpg jetta LOL
If you get a smart car in Canada they get 75mpg, but in the US they rate 40-50....dunno why.
I just spent $200 on my 96 Nissan truck and all of last weekend changing hte timing chain, thermostat (Was stuck open), PCV valve that was buried behind the timing cover etc etc...clutch, engine and tranny mounts, U-joints - all told $3000 worth of labor, but did it all myself...
My truck jumped from 18mpg to 30mpg overnight.....thermostat's that don't open don't warm the engine so the computer tells the engine to run rich until warmed up, so my PCV valve was gummed up because of it as well as everything else.
That was my 100,000 maintenance, at 28-30mpg I'm good for an other 100k.
But a lady at work here spent hte $30,000 on a prius. Asked her what she used to spend in gas per mo nth - roughly $150.
She said she sp ends $35-40 now.
Asked her what her car payment is, $495.....I burn maybe $100 a month in gas.
For some a prius is a bad idea, but for commuting - absolutely.
I still like the smart car tho - they have body kits for them now..
Re: My tree hugger sister finally figured it out .
LOL WTF I HAVE NOT SEEN THOSE BEFORE
Thats hilarious.
LOL WTF I HAVE NOT SEEN THOSE BEFORE
Thats hilarious.
Re: My tree hugger sister finally figured it out .
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ArcticLight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What does your car sound like? "Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa".....Love that VW commercial for the Diesel 57mpg jetta LOL
If you get a smart car in Canada they get 75mpg, but in the US they rate 40-50....dunno why.
I just spent $200 on my 96 Nissan truck and all of last weekend changing hte timing chain, thermostat (Was stuck open), PCV valve that was buried behind the timing cover etc etc...clutch, engine and tranny mounts, U-joints - all told $3000 worth of labor, but did it all myself...
My truck jumped from 18mpg to 30mpg overnight.....thermostat's that don't open don't warm the engine so the computer tells the engine to run rich until warmed up, so my PCV valve was gummed up because of it as well as everything else.
That was my 100,000 maintenance, at 28-30mpg I'm good for an other 100k.
But a lady at work here spent hte $30,000 on a prius. Asked her what she used to spend in gas per mo nth - roughly $150.
She said she sp ends $35-40 now.
Asked her what her car payment is, $495.....I burn maybe $100 a month in gas.
For some a prius is a bad idea, but for commuting - absolutely.
I still like the smart car tho - they have body kits for them now..
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Those aren't real body kits. Just someone using photoshop to create the images. Very nice if they were real though.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ArcticLight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What does your car sound like? "Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa".....Love that VW commercial for the Diesel 57mpg jetta LOL
If you get a smart car in Canada they get 75mpg, but in the US they rate 40-50....dunno why.
I just spent $200 on my 96 Nissan truck and all of last weekend changing hte timing chain, thermostat (Was stuck open), PCV valve that was buried behind the timing cover etc etc...clutch, engine and tranny mounts, U-joints - all told $3000 worth of labor, but did it all myself...
My truck jumped from 18mpg to 30mpg overnight.....thermostat's that don't open don't warm the engine so the computer tells the engine to run rich until warmed up, so my PCV valve was gummed up because of it as well as everything else.
That was my 100,000 maintenance, at 28-30mpg I'm good for an other 100k.
But a lady at work here spent hte $30,000 on a prius. Asked her what she used to spend in gas per mo nth - roughly $150.
She said she sp ends $35-40 now.
Asked her what her car payment is, $495.....I burn maybe $100 a month in gas.
For some a prius is a bad idea, but for commuting - absolutely.
I still like the smart car tho - they have body kits for them now..
</div></div>
Those aren't real body kits. Just someone using photoshop to create the images. Very nice if they were real though.
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The batteries on all Hybrids are HUGELY expensive!!! They have a huge amount of toxic substances. They are VERY dangerous to work with. I have to "suit up" before working on them. You would think I was getting ready to go into a burning building. The cost of disposal is "E" freakin' normous'. I get to see the cost of manufacturing and all of the costs of operation and in almost every case the "total" cost of the Hybrid is MORE than an equal vehicle that is gas only. I am talking about from the moment of production to its final resting place for recycling. If you are buying a Hybrid or all electric vehicle because you want to save money or the planet.... You are not doing either......
The batteries on all Hybrids are HUGELY expensive!!! They have a huge amount of toxic substances. They are VERY dangerous to work with. I have to "suit up" before working on them. You would think I was getting ready to go into a burning building. The cost of disposal is "E" freakin' normous'. I get to see the cost of manufacturing and all of the costs of operation and in almost every case the "total" cost of the Hybrid is MORE than an equal vehicle that is gas only. I am talking about from the moment of production to its final resting place for recycling. If you are buying a Hybrid or all electric vehicle because you want to save money or the planet.... You are not doing either......
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My wife's has 7yr/75K bumper to bumper warranty. She just got it, and I'm trying to be a supportive husband, but the thing irks me. I just told her to be sure she got great insurance because a little fender bender ain't gonna be cheap.
In the end, its what she wanted and makes her happy (after a marriage or two one may learn the value of that).
It makes me chuckle parked next to my GMC 2500HD ext cab longbed....
My wife's has 7yr/75K bumper to bumper warranty. She just got it, and I'm trying to be a supportive husband, but the thing irks me. I just told her to be sure she got great insurance because a little fender bender ain't gonna be cheap.
In the end, its what she wanted and makes her happy (after a marriage or two one may learn the value of that).
It makes me chuckle parked next to my GMC 2500HD ext cab longbed....
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The Mechanic</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The batteries on all Hybrids are HUGELY expensive!!! They have a huge amount of toxic substances. They are VERY dangerous to work with. I have to "suit up" before working on them. You would think I was getting ready to go into a burning building. The cost of disposal is "E" freakin' normous'. I get to see the cost of manufacturing and all of the costs of operation and in almost every case the "total" cost of the Hybrid is MORE than an equal vehicle that is gas only. I am talking about from the moment of production to its final resting place for recycling. If you are buying a Hybrid or all electric vehicle because you want to save money or the planet.... You are not doing either...... </div></div>
From an environmental perspective it's really a chicken and the egg type of situation. If you don't take a forward approach and start working on getting batteries out into production then nothing will ever happen.
These first generation batteries are akin to the computers you stuffed punch cards into, which would make gasoline cars arm crank enigma machines in comparison.
As we progress newer and better technologies will be replacing the early innovations, which are already old in comparison to the steps made moving forward. They stuck their toes in the water and found a market so now they'll continue production and R&D funding.
The Nickel mines in Siberia are indeed a blight upon the tundra. However they're a concentrated one and the chemicals in those batteries can be handled and disposed of responsibly. Those batteries should be largely recylclable to some degree and I'd be surprised if there weren't already people trying to find ways to make money off of doing something with them when the new gens come out and replace the old ones.
In regards to saving money that really depends. Over the lifespan of a vehicle how much money do you save by halving your fuel costs?
I'd imagine personally more than enough to make up for the few thousand additional you would pay for a less fuel efficient vehicle like my truck.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The Mechanic</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The batteries on all Hybrids are HUGELY expensive!!! They have a huge amount of toxic substances. They are VERY dangerous to work with. I have to "suit up" before working on them. You would think I was getting ready to go into a burning building. The cost of disposal is "E" freakin' normous'. I get to see the cost of manufacturing and all of the costs of operation and in almost every case the "total" cost of the Hybrid is MORE than an equal vehicle that is gas only. I am talking about from the moment of production to its final resting place for recycling. If you are buying a Hybrid or all electric vehicle because you want to save money or the planet.... You are not doing either...... </div></div>
From an environmental perspective it's really a chicken and the egg type of situation. If you don't take a forward approach and start working on getting batteries out into production then nothing will ever happen.
These first generation batteries are akin to the computers you stuffed punch cards into, which would make gasoline cars arm crank enigma machines in comparison.
As we progress newer and better technologies will be replacing the early innovations, which are already old in comparison to the steps made moving forward. They stuck their toes in the water and found a market so now they'll continue production and R&D funding.
The Nickel mines in Siberia are indeed a blight upon the tundra. However they're a concentrated one and the chemicals in those batteries can be handled and disposed of responsibly. Those batteries should be largely recylclable to some degree and I'd be surprised if there weren't already people trying to find ways to make money off of doing something with them when the new gens come out and replace the old ones.
In regards to saving money that really depends. Over the lifespan of a vehicle how much money do you save by halving your fuel costs?
I'd imagine personally more than enough to make up for the few thousand additional you would pay for a less fuel efficient vehicle like my truck.
Re: My tree hugger sister finally figured it out .
Well we can start with the batteries. Nickel Metal Hydride (NiMH) batteries also contain Potassium Hydroxide. all pretty nasty stuff. Most battery failure can result in overheating with some seriously toxic substances. Second, any first responders need to check out https://www.gmstc.com/FirstResponder.aspx so you can understand that in an accident with any of these vehicles most would cut electrical lines from batteries, use caution and make sure you are perfect in cutting the right wires or you will get hit with 300 volts DC at mucho' lot of amps this will kill you, it won't hurt you it WILL kill you dead for sure approx 30KV. DOT and the feds consider these batteries if leaking hazardous waste.
As to the technology making these batteries better, sure it does I agree but we are still using the same technology right now... The Hybrids are not selling other than the Prius and they are just about giving them away at cost.. Why you ask? they are getting subsidized. Don't say they are not I have seen the checks.
As to the mileage increase, you do not get energy for free you have to use the energy you produce in the car or truck to propel your vehicle forward as efficiently as possible. That does not mean the least amount of an energy source, I mean the least expensive. Gasoline is still pretty cheap when it comes to production of energy and the technology is increasing much faster on gas and diesel then bio or battery. The weight and storage of the battery can not compare to diesel or gasoline.
New production gasoline motors have been getting mileage in the mid 30's on typical 4 door models like Chevrolet Malibu, Toyota Camry, Nissan Altima, Honda Accord, etc. etc. The Hybrid models are getting high 30's to low 40's when you get an extra 5 miles to the gallon out of your dully that is getting 13 miles to the gallon that is great but when you are talking about 5 MPG in the high 30's that is not that much. Not to mention if you have to plug one of the hybrids that require a pump up from you local gas and electric company (bend over).
Last but not least take any of these hybrids around my neck of the woods here in Southern Kalifornia (lots and lots of hills) you will almost never use the battery supply so you are just using the gas motor all the time dragging that 400 pounds of battery, electric motors, electronics and extra goodies to aid in the charging of that battery during braking.
Also don't go long distances, tow anything, or use it in cold weather.
To the uninformed the hybrid looks great on paper but they suck in the worst way. Get an extended warranty on those things because when you come into the dealer after your warranty is out and I have to suit up in that near bio hazard orange suit, 3 pairs of gloves. glassed and shields in 100 degree heat? You are going to pay me a shitload of money to fix your car..........
Happy motoring
Well we can start with the batteries. Nickel Metal Hydride (NiMH) batteries also contain Potassium Hydroxide. all pretty nasty stuff. Most battery failure can result in overheating with some seriously toxic substances. Second, any first responders need to check out https://www.gmstc.com/FirstResponder.aspx so you can understand that in an accident with any of these vehicles most would cut electrical lines from batteries, use caution and make sure you are perfect in cutting the right wires or you will get hit with 300 volts DC at mucho' lot of amps this will kill you, it won't hurt you it WILL kill you dead for sure approx 30KV. DOT and the feds consider these batteries if leaking hazardous waste.
As to the technology making these batteries better, sure it does I agree but we are still using the same technology right now... The Hybrids are not selling other than the Prius and they are just about giving them away at cost.. Why you ask? they are getting subsidized. Don't say they are not I have seen the checks.
As to the mileage increase, you do not get energy for free you have to use the energy you produce in the car or truck to propel your vehicle forward as efficiently as possible. That does not mean the least amount of an energy source, I mean the least expensive. Gasoline is still pretty cheap when it comes to production of energy and the technology is increasing much faster on gas and diesel then bio or battery. The weight and storage of the battery can not compare to diesel or gasoline.
New production gasoline motors have been getting mileage in the mid 30's on typical 4 door models like Chevrolet Malibu, Toyota Camry, Nissan Altima, Honda Accord, etc. etc. The Hybrid models are getting high 30's to low 40's when you get an extra 5 miles to the gallon out of your dully that is getting 13 miles to the gallon that is great but when you are talking about 5 MPG in the high 30's that is not that much. Not to mention if you have to plug one of the hybrids that require a pump up from you local gas and electric company (bend over).
Last but not least take any of these hybrids around my neck of the woods here in Southern Kalifornia (lots and lots of hills) you will almost never use the battery supply so you are just using the gas motor all the time dragging that 400 pounds of battery, electric motors, electronics and extra goodies to aid in the charging of that battery during braking.
Also don't go long distances, tow anything, or use it in cold weather.
To the uninformed the hybrid looks great on paper but they suck in the worst way. Get an extended warranty on those things because when you come into the dealer after your warranty is out and I have to suit up in that near bio hazard orange suit, 3 pairs of gloves. glassed and shields in 100 degree heat? You are going to pay me a shitload of money to fix your car..........
Happy motoring
Re: My tree hugger sister finally figured it out .
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: queequeg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I am seeing a lot of older folks driving Priuses. </div></div>
Would the plural be Prii?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: queequeg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I am seeing a lot of older folks driving Priuses. </div></div>
Would the plural be Prii?
Re: My tree hugger sister finally figured it out .
At work (Toyota dealer) we call them the Pious, after the attitude of most of the drivers.
How do you tell your wife you are gay> Buy a Prius.
1911fan
At work (Toyota dealer) we call them the Pious, after the attitude of most of the drivers.
How do you tell your wife you are gay> Buy a Prius.
1911fan
Re: My tree hugger sister finally figured it out .
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My wife's has 7yr/75K bumper to bumper warranty. She just got it, and I'm trying to be a supportive husband, but the thing irks me. I just told her to be sure she got great insurance because a little fender bender ain't gonna be cheap.
In the end, its what she wanted and makes her happy (after a marriage or two one may learn the value of that).
It makes me chuckle parked next to my GMC 2500HD ext cab longbed.... </div></div>
Well look on the bright side. if it ever breaks down then just pick it up and toss it in the bed of your truck!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My wife's has 7yr/75K bumper to bumper warranty. She just got it, and I'm trying to be a supportive husband, but the thing irks me. I just told her to be sure she got great insurance because a little fender bender ain't gonna be cheap.
In the end, its what she wanted and makes her happy (after a marriage or two one may learn the value of that).
It makes me chuckle parked next to my GMC 2500HD ext cab longbed.... </div></div>
Well look on the bright side. if it ever breaks down then just pick it up and toss it in the bed of your truck!
Re: My tree hugger sister finally figured it out .
No, no NO!! We didn't buy our Priuses to save the environment, nor were we concerned chiefly with the impact to our finances. Sure, saving money at the pump is a direct benefit to driving a hybrid--but do you really think I committed to buying the first one without researching the longevity and costs of maintaining and/or replacing the battery system?? This is a WAG that I'm pulling strictly outta my ass, but I'd theorize that 50% or more of the hybrid buyers (of ALL hybrid vehicles) didn't buy out of environmental concerns; I bet for most of them it was strictly a dollar-and-cents "commuter" expense decision.
But for us, personally, our decision was made "on the blind"--yes, we know there is no data other than (theoretical) projection regarding the cost of maintenance on our hybrids. But imagine if we made a national (or international) commitment to supporting alternately-fueled cars... do you really think the camel'd populace of our world would have such a domineering position over our economy?? There's nothing to base the Middle East's power on except oil--they have no computer technology, no electronics, aviation manufacturing, agricultural production, no textile-related industry; all they have is oil. Without oil, they're beggars at the door--they have had to hire it all done--they might actually understand enough of it now beyond 'monkey-see-monkey-do', but the infrastructure to manufacture for their own consumption and support isn't there yet. Remove the demand for oil and they're back in the 1960's waiting for technology to come to them.
Maybe <span style="font-style: italic">we</span> spent (and will spend) more than we should have on the hybrid format, but we did it because we held the narrow vision that it might save some soldier's life who's over there to claim oil for us--and we have a (dim and unrealistic) hope that others will join us, and indirectly (and unintentionally) wrest the power of the oil/fuel economics out of the Middle East.
Sure, our economic slump is really, REALLY hurting us here in the USA--and the world--but think about how many billions of dollars have been lost in the Middle East's oil-based economy during this slide. Imagine if we could make that permanent by shifting our source fuel to something other than oil. Sure, it's a pipedream--but if enough hybrids were sold, the manufacturing cost-per-unit would drop, and we--my America--as the largest consumers of automotive goods in the world, could someday again dictate worldwide economic policies.
America is what I believe in, and we spent our 'automotive' money where we believe it would do America the most good. I'm lucky enough to "afford" it. I wish everyone could.
No, no NO!! We didn't buy our Priuses to save the environment, nor were we concerned chiefly with the impact to our finances. Sure, saving money at the pump is a direct benefit to driving a hybrid--but do you really think I committed to buying the first one without researching the longevity and costs of maintaining and/or replacing the battery system?? This is a WAG that I'm pulling strictly outta my ass, but I'd theorize that 50% or more of the hybrid buyers (of ALL hybrid vehicles) didn't buy out of environmental concerns; I bet for most of them it was strictly a dollar-and-cents "commuter" expense decision.
But for us, personally, our decision was made "on the blind"--yes, we know there is no data other than (theoretical) projection regarding the cost of maintenance on our hybrids. But imagine if we made a national (or international) commitment to supporting alternately-fueled cars... do you really think the camel'd populace of our world would have such a domineering position over our economy?? There's nothing to base the Middle East's power on except oil--they have no computer technology, no electronics, aviation manufacturing, agricultural production, no textile-related industry; all they have is oil. Without oil, they're beggars at the door--they have had to hire it all done--they might actually understand enough of it now beyond 'monkey-see-monkey-do', but the infrastructure to manufacture for their own consumption and support isn't there yet. Remove the demand for oil and they're back in the 1960's waiting for technology to come to them.
Maybe <span style="font-style: italic">we</span> spent (and will spend) more than we should have on the hybrid format, but we did it because we held the narrow vision that it might save some soldier's life who's over there to claim oil for us--and we have a (dim and unrealistic) hope that others will join us, and indirectly (and unintentionally) wrest the power of the oil/fuel economics out of the Middle East.
Sure, our economic slump is really, REALLY hurting us here in the USA--and the world--but think about how many billions of dollars have been lost in the Middle East's oil-based economy during this slide. Imagine if we could make that permanent by shifting our source fuel to something other than oil. Sure, it's a pipedream--but if enough hybrids were sold, the manufacturing cost-per-unit would drop, and we--my America--as the largest consumers of automotive goods in the world, could someday again dictate worldwide economic policies.
America is what I believe in, and we spent our 'automotive' money where we believe it would do America the most good. I'm lucky enough to "afford" it. I wish everyone could.
Re: My tree hugger sister finally figured it out .
Unluckily for you the salesman who sold it to you was apparently making jokes at your expense and immasculating you for your decision behind your back while he collected the comissions for convincing you to buy it.
Apparently.
Unluckily for you the salesman who sold it to you was apparently making jokes at your expense and immasculating you for your decision behind your back while he collected the comissions for convincing you to buy it.
Apparently.
Re: My tree hugger sister finally figured it out .
I have a 2001 Z06 corvette that gets 24 mpg around town and 28-30 hwy. mpg. It's all in the coefficient of drag (.31) and horsepower to weight ratio I think. 3700lbs./405hp. I haven't seen the numbers on the newer ones. I drive about 80 miles round trip each day and travel occasionally. It's a very comfortable car on long trips and comes apart like an Indy car in accidents. Dollar for dollar it's the best sports car made and it's AMERICAN.
John
I have a 2001 Z06 corvette that gets 24 mpg around town and 28-30 hwy. mpg. It's all in the coefficient of drag (.31) and horsepower to weight ratio I think. 3700lbs./405hp. I haven't seen the numbers on the newer ones. I drive about 80 miles round trip each day and travel occasionally. It's a very comfortable car on long trips and comes apart like an Indy car in accidents. Dollar for dollar it's the best sports car made and it's AMERICAN.
John
Re: My tree hugger sister finally figured it out .
"Apparently" not.
Learn to read for content... this is Mississippi--NASCAR country--where hybrids sell for dirt. Lemme "talk" so's ya'll cain unnerstam me: Nobody here thanks ennythin' of 'em 'cause dey ain't manly enuff lookin' fer thar considration. Cain't be seen in some pinko fureign rice-eatin' VE-hicle. What we needs is mo' gasoline muxle cars an' trucks so's we kin tailgate and try and intimidate them fuckin' pinko drivers into testin' they engines. Them muxle cars and trucks is cheap fo' a reason. After all, they's all Mercun-made; and we know evahbuddy believes them manufacturer claims 'bout Mercun quality--when they go bust, we kin get the idiot public to bail them out.
Funny, I don't think the clunker rebate was adopted to bail out or stimulate foreign OEM profits. Even better for us, personally, that same gung-ho machismo attitude kept the price of the Priuses in Mississippi quite a bit lower than the national average. Kinda like their performance in health, education, welfare and industry. Dat rednek attitude is wurf sometin'--glad you feels like the rest ob dem too. Must be catchin'...
"Apparently" not.
Learn to read for content... this is Mississippi--NASCAR country--where hybrids sell for dirt. Lemme "talk" so's ya'll cain unnerstam me: Nobody here thanks ennythin' of 'em 'cause dey ain't manly enuff lookin' fer thar considration. Cain't be seen in some pinko fureign rice-eatin' VE-hicle. What we needs is mo' gasoline muxle cars an' trucks so's we kin tailgate and try and intimidate them fuckin' pinko drivers into testin' they engines. Them muxle cars and trucks is cheap fo' a reason. After all, they's all Mercun-made; and we know evahbuddy believes them manufacturer claims 'bout Mercun quality--when they go bust, we kin get the idiot public to bail them out.
Funny, I don't think the clunker rebate was adopted to bail out or stimulate foreign OEM profits. Even better for us, personally, that same gung-ho machismo attitude kept the price of the Priuses in Mississippi quite a bit lower than the national average. Kinda like their performance in health, education, welfare and industry. Dat rednek attitude is wurf sometin'--glad you feels like the rest ob dem too. Must be catchin'...
Re: My tree hugger sister finally figured it out .
on the 2009 they have the same mileage figure they just bumped the horsepower up another 100HP to 505 horsepower. The torque on them are nothing short of phenomenal and the braking would put you right through the windshield. The thing rides like it is on rails. And would be eaten alive by the new ZR1 Corvette, that thing is a beast.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Acehigh</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have a 2001 Z06 corvette that gets 24 mpg around town and 28-30 hwy. mpg. It's all in the coefficient of drag (.31) and horsepower to weight ratio I think. 3700lbs./405hp. I haven't seen the numbers on the newer ones. I drive about 80 miles round trip each day and travel occasionally. It's a very comfortable car on long trips and comes apart like an Indy car in accidents. Dollar for dollar it's the best sports car made and it's AMERICAN.
John </div></div>
on the 2009 they have the same mileage figure they just bumped the horsepower up another 100HP to 505 horsepower. The torque on them are nothing short of phenomenal and the braking would put you right through the windshield. The thing rides like it is on rails. And would be eaten alive by the new ZR1 Corvette, that thing is a beast.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Acehigh</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have a 2001 Z06 corvette that gets 24 mpg around town and 28-30 hwy. mpg. It's all in the coefficient of drag (.31) and horsepower to weight ratio I think. 3700lbs./405hp. I haven't seen the numbers on the newer ones. I drive about 80 miles round trip each day and travel occasionally. It's a very comfortable car on long trips and comes apart like an Indy car in accidents. Dollar for dollar it's the best sports car made and it's AMERICAN.
John </div></div>
Re: My tree hugger sister finally figured it out .
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The Mechanic</div><div class="ubbcode-body">on the 2009 they have the same mileage figure they just bumped the horsepower up another 100HP to 505 horsepower. The torque on them are nothing short of phenomenal and the braking would put you right through the windshield. The thing rides like it is on rails. And would be eaten alive by the new ZR1 Corvette, that thing is a beast.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Acehigh</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have a 2001 Z06 corvette that gets 24 mpg around town and 28-30 hwy. mpg. It's all in the coefficient of drag (.31) and horsepower to weight ratio I think. 3700lbs./405hp. I haven't seen the numbers on the newer ones. I drive about 80 miles round trip each day and travel occasionally. It's a very comfortable car on long trips and comes apart like an Indy car in accidents. Dollar for dollar it's the best sports car made and it's AMERICAN.
John </div></div> </div></div>
I'll want to hear about it when it goes all wheel drive....
it isn't is it?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The Mechanic</div><div class="ubbcode-body">on the 2009 they have the same mileage figure they just bumped the horsepower up another 100HP to 505 horsepower. The torque on them are nothing short of phenomenal and the braking would put you right through the windshield. The thing rides like it is on rails. And would be eaten alive by the new ZR1 Corvette, that thing is a beast.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Acehigh</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have a 2001 Z06 corvette that gets 24 mpg around town and 28-30 hwy. mpg. It's all in the coefficient of drag (.31) and horsepower to weight ratio I think. 3700lbs./405hp. I haven't seen the numbers on the newer ones. I drive about 80 miles round trip each day and travel occasionally. It's a very comfortable car on long trips and comes apart like an Indy car in accidents. Dollar for dollar it's the best sports car made and it's AMERICAN.
John </div></div> </div></div>
I'll want to hear about it when it goes all wheel drive....
it isn't is it?
Re: My tree hugger sister finally figured it out .
the CERV III was 4 wheel drive with active suspension (considered a Corvette) or this http://www.tremek.com/forum/car-pictures...3-corvette.html
4 wheel drive just adds to much weight even Porsche tossed theirs.
the CERV III was 4 wheel drive with active suspension (considered a Corvette) or this http://www.tremek.com/forum/car-pictures...3-corvette.html
4 wheel drive just adds to much weight even Porsche tossed theirs.
Re: My tree hugger sister finally figured it out .
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The Mechanic</div><div class="ubbcode-body">the CERV III was 4 wheel drive with active suspension (considered a Corvette) or this http://www.tremek.com/forum/car-pictures...3-corvette.html
4 wheel drive just adds to much weight even Porsche tossed theirs. </div></div>
That's pretty cool I was thinking something like this
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The Mechanic</div><div class="ubbcode-body">the CERV III was 4 wheel drive with active suspension (considered a Corvette) or this http://www.tremek.com/forum/car-pictures...3-corvette.html
4 wheel drive just adds to much weight even Porsche tossed theirs. </div></div>
That's pretty cool I was thinking something like this
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I wonder how a corvette would respond with this crazy ignition system
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I wonder how a corvette would respond with this crazy ignition system
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Re: My tree hugger sister finally figured it out .
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: unrepentant</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"Apparently" not.
Learn to read for content... this is Mississippi--NASCAR country--where hybrids sell for dirt. Lemme "talk" so's ya'll cain unnerstam me: Nobody here thanks ennythin' of 'em 'cause dey ain't manly enuff lookin' fer thar considration. Cain't be seen in some pinko fureign rice-eatin' VE-hicle. What we needs is mo' gasoline muxle cars an' trucks so's we kin tailgate and try and intimidate them fuckin' pinko drivers into testin' they engines. Them muxle cars and trucks is cheap fo' a reason. After all, they's all Mercun-made; and we know evahbuddy believes them manufacturer claims 'bout Mercun quality--when they go bust, we kin get the idiot public to bail them out.
Funny, I don't think the clunker rebate was adopted to bail out or stimulate foreign OEM profits. Even better for us, personally, that same gung-ho machismo attitude kept the price of the Priuses in Mississippi quite a bit lower than the national average. Kinda like their performance in health, education, welfare and industry. Dat rednek attitude is wurf sometin'--glad you feels like the rest ob dem too. Must be catchin'... </div></div>
Fill out your profile please. Thanks Elmer
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: unrepentant</div><div class="ubbcode-body">"Apparently" not.
Learn to read for content... this is Mississippi--NASCAR country--where hybrids sell for dirt. Lemme "talk" so's ya'll cain unnerstam me: Nobody here thanks ennythin' of 'em 'cause dey ain't manly enuff lookin' fer thar considration. Cain't be seen in some pinko fureign rice-eatin' VE-hicle. What we needs is mo' gasoline muxle cars an' trucks so's we kin tailgate and try and intimidate them fuckin' pinko drivers into testin' they engines. Them muxle cars and trucks is cheap fo' a reason. After all, they's all Mercun-made; and we know evahbuddy believes them manufacturer claims 'bout Mercun quality--when they go bust, we kin get the idiot public to bail them out.
Funny, I don't think the clunker rebate was adopted to bail out or stimulate foreign OEM profits. Even better for us, personally, that same gung-ho machismo attitude kept the price of the Priuses in Mississippi quite a bit lower than the national average. Kinda like their performance in health, education, welfare and industry. Dat rednek attitude is wurf sometin'--glad you feels like the rest ob dem too. Must be catchin'... </div></div>
Fill out your profile please. Thanks Elmer
Re: My tree hugger sister finally figured it out .
All of these little rice burner cars make me laugh... you have to spend thousands of dollar to get them a couple hundred horses.
I had an 07 Dodge ram 2500. it had a 5.9L diesel engine and I spent about a month buying parts and rebuilding the engine. After a low budget build I was looking at sitting in a 1200hp beast. I roasted porsche, corvettes, even beat a dodge viper on a racetrack here in KY.
All of these little rice burner cars make me laugh... you have to spend thousands of dollar to get them a couple hundred horses.
I had an 07 Dodge ram 2500. it had a 5.9L diesel engine and I spent about a month buying parts and rebuilding the engine. After a low budget build I was looking at sitting in a 1200hp beast. I roasted porsche, corvettes, even beat a dodge viper on a racetrack here in KY.
Re: My tree hugger sister finally figured it out .
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kyshooter338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">All of these little rice burner cars make me laugh... you have to spend thousands of dollar to get them a couple hundred horses.
I had an 07 Dodge ram 2500. it had a 5.9L diesel engine and I spent about a month buying parts and rebuilding the engine. After a low budget build I was looking at sitting in a 1200hp beast. I roasted porsche, corvettes, even beat a dodge viper on a racetrack here in KY.
</div></div>
Dudes that compare their Dodge Ram turbo diesels to production sports cars make me laugh.
I'm about the least interested person you'll find in 1/4 mile times.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kyshooter338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">All of these little rice burner cars make me laugh... you have to spend thousands of dollar to get them a couple hundred horses.
I had an 07 Dodge ram 2500. it had a 5.9L diesel engine and I spent about a month buying parts and rebuilding the engine. After a low budget build I was looking at sitting in a 1200hp beast. I roasted porsche, corvettes, even beat a dodge viper on a racetrack here in KY.
</div></div>
Dudes that compare their Dodge Ram turbo diesels to production sports cars make me laugh.
I'm about the least interested person you'll find in 1/4 mile times.
Re: My tree hugger sister finally figured it out .
ok it is kinda old school but here is a street legal lingenfelter doing doing back to back 9.22 at 149mph. hmmm sound like trouble is a brewing
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ok it is kinda old school but here is a street legal lingenfelter doing doing back to back 9.22 at 149mph. hmmm sound like trouble is a brewing
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Re: My tree hugger sister finally figured it out .
here is 1000 horse street legal lingenfelter.
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here is 1000 horse street legal lingenfelter.
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Re: My tree hugger sister finally figured it out .
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The Mechanic</div><div class="ubbcode-body">here is 1000 horse street legal lingenfelter.
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I wouldn't kick her outta bed for eatin crackers
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The Mechanic</div><div class="ubbcode-body">here is 1000 horse street legal lingenfelter.
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I wouldn't kick her outta bed for eatin crackers
Re: My tree hugger sister finally figured it out .
I drove a '79 Camaro (305 'electronic carburetor' overdrive auto) for 12 years. I made 29MPG at 75MPH on the interstate. the last car I drove that got less than 25MPG was my '76 Chev G-20 Sportvan, 305, 4BBL, auto. We won't discuss the '70 Charger (440, 4BBL, 14MPG)
My concerns are similar to The Mech's. The hybrid is essentially the carmakers' answer to global warming. A PT Barnum solution.
As a kindnesss to the planet, it isn't. As an economical transport, the gas consumption is attractive, but the accompanying costs are simply waiting in the wings to overcome the owner once the new smell wears off.
If you ever wondered where the economic payoff was for the 'global change' freaks, this is it.
All scams are the same. Sell the image, back it up with the snake oil, make all the right benevolent noises all the way to the bank.
Makes you wonder what's in the Algore's portfolio these days. All those 'responsible investments in worthy projects'.
I'll check back, not when the new car smell wears off, but when the paint wears off. Then we'll so how economical these little beauties really were.
Greg
I drove a '79 Camaro (305 'electronic carburetor' overdrive auto) for 12 years. I made 29MPG at 75MPH on the interstate. the last car I drove that got less than 25MPG was my '76 Chev G-20 Sportvan, 305, 4BBL, auto. We won't discuss the '70 Charger (440, 4BBL, 14MPG)
My concerns are similar to The Mech's. The hybrid is essentially the carmakers' answer to global warming. A PT Barnum solution.
As a kindnesss to the planet, it isn't. As an economical transport, the gas consumption is attractive, but the accompanying costs are simply waiting in the wings to overcome the owner once the new smell wears off.
If you ever wondered where the economic payoff was for the 'global change' freaks, this is it.
All scams are the same. Sell the image, back it up with the snake oil, make all the right benevolent noises all the way to the bank.
Makes you wonder what's in the Algore's portfolio these days. All those 'responsible investments in worthy projects'.
I'll check back, not when the new car smell wears off, but when the paint wears off. Then we'll so how economical these little beauties really were.
Greg
Re: My tree hugger sister finally figured it out .
I use to make good money rebuilding and tuning Qaudrajet carbs' No one really knew how to make them run right so I had my plate full of those that came from other shops or people that wanted it to run right. That was one carb that truly was the best of both worlds. Had great performance and great on gas mileage when set up correctly. It was a complex carb with a lot of adjustment that could be done wrong.
I use to make good money rebuilding and tuning Qaudrajet carbs' No one really knew how to make them run right so I had my plate full of those that came from other shops or people that wanted it to run right. That was one carb that truly was the best of both worlds. Had great performance and great on gas mileage when set up correctly. It was a complex carb with a lot of adjustment that could be done wrong.
Re: My tree hugger sister finally figured it out .
My 1970 Charger R/T-S/E's Magnum 440 had been worked on the outside, Mallory Dual point, and a Holley list 3310 vacuum secondary four barrel. I bought the book and the rebuild kit, and rebuilt and retuned that carb from scratch. We're talking a lot of parts and a few interesting adjustments. Basically a spreadbore, it was a two barrel kitten until you kicked it. Then hang on.
Rated at 375HP stock, it was easily over 400 with the carb, ignition, headers and free flow exhaust.
14MPG was with the foot in it, keeping the foot out of it netted around 20-22MPG on long highway cruises, which wasn't all that terrible considering the neighborhood.
That's with premium fuel, and the ignition tuned for full advance. The damned dual points were in need of retuning about once a month, total dwell was the sum of both sets of points. Thinking back, dual points were a strategy to keep the points from floating at high RPM, the Magnum was about wound out at around 5500rpm.
They were on the car when I got it, along with a deck lid which was pretty much wallpapered over on the inside with first place stickers from Englishtown Drag strip.
I bought the car for Celia...
I drove a 1968 Volvo...
Bought it new, sold it in 1983...
My 1970 Charger R/T-S/E's Magnum 440 had been worked on the outside, Mallory Dual point, and a Holley list 3310 vacuum secondary four barrel. I bought the book and the rebuild kit, and rebuilt and retuned that carb from scratch. We're talking a lot of parts and a few interesting adjustments. Basically a spreadbore, it was a two barrel kitten until you kicked it. Then hang on.
Rated at 375HP stock, it was easily over 400 with the carb, ignition, headers and free flow exhaust.
14MPG was with the foot in it, keeping the foot out of it netted around 20-22MPG on long highway cruises, which wasn't all that terrible considering the neighborhood.
That's with premium fuel, and the ignition tuned for full advance. The damned dual points were in need of retuning about once a month, total dwell was the sum of both sets of points. Thinking back, dual points were a strategy to keep the points from floating at high RPM, the Magnum was about wound out at around 5500rpm.
They were on the car when I got it, along with a deck lid which was pretty much wallpapered over on the inside with first place stickers from Englishtown Drag strip.
I bought the car for Celia...
I drove a 1968 Volvo...
Bought it new, sold it in 1983...
Re: My tree hugger sister finally figured it out .
carbs are still king when it comes to all out horsepower. Other than top fuel etc.
carbs are still king when it comes to all out horsepower. Other than top fuel etc.
Re: My tree hugger sister finally figured it out .
Would it be a sin to put something fuel injected in a 66 chevelle?
I've always wanted a daily driver Chevelle
Would it be a sin to put something fuel injected in a 66 chevelle?
I've always wanted a daily driver Chevelle
Re: My tree hugger sister finally figured it out .
not at all. Just saying that a carb set up right will get about 5% more power than an equally well set up fuel injection. However the fuel injection is much more user friendly on the street.
not at all. Just saying that a carb set up right will get about 5% more power than an equally well set up fuel injection. However the fuel injection is much more user friendly on the street.
Re: My tree hugger sister finally figured it out .
you guys are starting to freak the fucking shit out of me.....
whatever you are all smoking , can i have some...please.... lets drink some beer, watch some porn and cut this shit out....
Who here has a vagina |?
you guys are starting to freak the fucking shit out of me.....
whatever you are all smoking , can i have some...please.... lets drink some beer, watch some porn and cut this shit out....
Who here has a vagina |?
Re: My tree hugger sister finally figured it out .
She is sleeping right now don't wake her she will kick my ass.....
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eddieo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">you guys are starting to freak the fucking shit out of me.....
whatever you are all smoking , can i have some...please.... lets drink some beer, watch some porn and cut this shit out....
Who here has a vagina |?
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She is sleeping right now don't wake her she will kick my ass.....
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eddieo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">you guys are starting to freak the fucking shit out of me.....
whatever you are all smoking , can i have some...please.... lets drink some beer, watch some porn and cut this shit out....
Who here has a vagina |?
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