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Range Report Density Altitude calculator for iphone...

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FDAC and other similar systems sort of defeats the purpose of this, but I randomly came across it and thought it might be of some use to people who use DA cards and have an iPod/iphone. Looks like it estimates it based on temp/altitude, thus not requiring a data signal. Anyone familiar with it?

http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/density-altitude-calculator/id313097113?mt=8


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Just for comparison, I run the numbers in the picture through BB Density Altitude on my Android. The only way I get the same results is to run the Dew Point input all the way down to 21 degrees.

Does this program not account for dew point/humidity? If not, it won't be accurate.
 
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Hmmm I'm curious about the why of erroneous Dew point inputs also. Interested in hearing some more results
 
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It was my understanding that these days people choose FDAC, Magic Wheel, Ballistic Charts printouts to avoid dependency on potentially fragile and battery-operated electronic devices.

So, if you already submit to using an iPhone with an app on it, why not run the "right" app - a ballistic calculator on that very iPhone? After all, who really cares about density altitude? It's the scope adjustments that the shooter needs - elevation and windage. So why bother running an app to determine just the density altitude and then go to FDAC, or a printout, or..., when you could as easily compute the elevation/windage adjustments by feeding the same data to a different app and be done with it?

If you assume your electronics "dies" - then no iPhone density altitude calculator either.
 
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A reminder for ipods, may be the same on iphones. After making any change
in "settings" you have to quit the FTE program. To do this in a ipod double tap
the home button and the live programs will appear at the bottom with a "-" icon
in the corner of them. Tapping the icon will shut down the program. After restarting the program your changes in settings will take effect. This is for all
muli-tasking programs which FTE is one.

 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bigwheeler</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A reminder for ipods, may be the same on iphones. After making any change
in "settings" you have to quit the FTE program. To do this in a ipod double tap
the home button and the live programs will appear at the bottom with a "-" icon
in the corner of them. Tapping the icon will shut down the program. After restarting the program your changes in settings will take effect. This is for all
muli-tasking programs which FTE is one.

</div></div>


+1 To this.





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If it is not taking into account humidity, then it is not giving a value as good as it should/could. I know humidity makes a small difference, but all the little things start to add up, espically at long range.

+1 for Ballistic FTE, I just wish he would fix the wind direction problem and the units in the FTE part.
 
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Anybody been able to figure out how to save a profile and use DA? When I save a profile, even if I have the atmospheric conditions not set, it prompts me for them when I load the profile in HUD instead of letting me input DA.

If I open FTE and go to HUD and create a new profile, then I can input DA.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blklabs</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Anybody been able to figure out how to save a profile and use DA? When I save a profile, even if I have the atmospheric conditions not set, it prompts me for them when I load the profile in HUD instead of letting me input DA.

If I open FTE and go to HUD and create a new profile, then I can input DA. </div></div>

The zero atmosphere never changes to DA and Mach only, but that should load with a profile. You will have to enter the current atmosphere each time as this does not load with the profile.

This is what happens in the FTE, you just don't see the Zero atmosphere data.
I hope this helps.

This has been a good app so far, Today I was shooting a 6mm Turbo and the dope was great, I just messed up on some initial wind calls.
 
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@ctressler, I think FTE takes wind input the same way as JBM. I.e., it considers <span style="font-style: italic">3 o'clock wind</span> as wind blowing <span style="text-decoration: underline">to your right</span> - despite claiming that it calls 3 o'clock wind blowing from your right to your left (as any decent app should
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With that in mind, can you comment on your wind calls?
 
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I'm glad somebody else has come up with the same solution to the FTE wind bug as me. I have emailed the author about this and also about the incorrect DA units on the FTE screen, but he hasn't replied or fixed them.

As for the wind calls, we where shooting out in Ash Fork, AZ with the AZPRC group and the wind was gusty. Targets are set up from 200 to ~1100 yards, one had to stay aware of the changing conditions or shots were easily blown.

They had a target out at a mile, I think most everyone with a .338 or a large 30 caliber hit it at least once. The guys shooting 308 rifles were burning up a lot of ammo trying to hit that plate.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ctressler</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm glad somebody else has come up with the same solution to the FTE wind bug as me.</div></div>
Oh, it's is not a solution - we call it a "workaround".
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have emailed the author about this and also about the incorrect DA units on the FTE screen, but he hasn't replied or fixed them.</div></div>
1. Don't feel bad - he usually doesn't reply. I was dignified with a couple of answers from Jonathan in the past, but the total hit/miss ratio for my reports and questions is very poor.

2. It's still a very nice application - but in the field I tend to use Bullet Flight more. As I said before: FTE is an engineer's app, nice with lots of useful features, nice user interface. Bullet Flight is a soldier's app - nothing extra, not as flashy, but it gets your rounds on target fast (and its support is great!). Interestingly, now Bullet Flight is also available on 'Droid.

3. The source of that bug is in how JBM engine (that FTE uses) deals with wind direction input. For reasons unknown to me, JBM treats wind direction opposite to how everybody else does it (military, merchant marines, aviation) - for everybody else wind direction is the azimuth <span style="text-decoration: underline">from</span> where the wind blows, but for JBM it's the azimuth <span style="text-decoration: underline">to where</span> the wind blows. Probably now due to JBM's popularity it's too late to change (at least in the author's opinion).

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As for the wind calls, we where shooting out in Ash Fork, AZ with the AZPRC group and the wind was gusty. Targets are set up from 200 to ~1100 yards, one had to stay aware of the changing conditions or shots were easily blown.</div></div>
What I'm saying is - you had some hits and some misses, right? Hopefully you recorded the shooting conditions (weather, etc) and both the predicted adjustments that you got from FTE and the actual adjustments that got you on target. So I'm thinking - if you key all that back into FTE but correct the wind input for this bug, would the predicted/suggested windage adjustment match your actual?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">They had a target out at a mile, I think most everyone with a .338 or a large 30 caliber hit it at least once. The guys shooting 308 rifles were burning up a lot of ammo trying to hit that plate.</div></div>
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That must be something! <span style="font-style: italic">I'd like to try a mile+ shot - but here it would end up in the next town, and they might object to serving as a target!
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Re: Density Altitude calculator for iphone...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bigwheeler</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A reminder for ipods, may be the same on iphones. After making any change in "settings" you have to quit the FTE program. To do this in a ipod double tap the home button and the live programs will appear at the bottom with a "-" icon in the corner of them. Tapping the icon will shut down the program. After restarting the program your changes in settings will take effect. This is for all multi-tasking programs which FTE is one.</div></div>

thanks for the reminder