desert tactical arms srs wildcat

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#1
I have been doing a lot of research on this rifle and decided to purchase one. I know there are a few members here who own one. Have any of you who own one tried it with a wildcat cartridge or caliber that DTA does not currently offer? So far I have seen these rifles do 3/8moa, have any of you got it to shoot better? And finally, after 30 or so rounds does this rifle ever shift POI (I plan on competing with it)? This is my only concern or hesitation with this rifle, any input would be appreciated.
 
#2
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To have a new barrel/caliber made is very easy. You order a barrel extension,and barrel extension "key" from DTA. You ask them to email you the CAD drawing/specs for their barrels. You supply this to your barrel maker of choice.

The barrel extension uses standard Remington threads I was told.

I was going to have one made in 6XC but went a different route.

Take care,Stan
 
#3
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I havent fired my 308 conversion yet, hope to this weekend.

I have started break in on the 338LM conversion and gotten a couple groups under 2" (gross) at 300 yards for 5 shots. Would take some getting used to for competition, given the bull pup design. Sure it could be done though.

ETA- For conversions, I know FreedomGunWorks is going to be doing them. Seem like good folks down there.
 
#4
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hydro556</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I havent fired my 308 conversion yet, hope to this weekend.

I have started break in on the 338LM conversion and gotten a couple groups under 2" (gross) at 300 yards for 5 shots. Would take some getting used to for competition, given the bull pup design. Sure it could be done though.

ETA- For conversions, I know FreedomGunWorks is going to be doing them. Seem like good folks down there. </div></div>

Was that with handloads or factory match?
 
#5
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MuleHunter</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hydro556</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I havent fired my 308 conversion yet, hope to this weekend.

I have started break in on the 338LM conversion and gotten a couple groups under 2" (gross) at 300 yards for 5 shots. Would take some getting used to for competition, given the bull pup design. Sure it could be done though.

ETA- For conversions, I know FreedomGunWorks is going to be doing them. Seem like good folks down there. </div></div>

Was that with handloads or factory match? </div></div>

New Lapua cases, 250 grain SMK's, 300 grain SMK's with Retumbo and H4831. Used 215M primers.

Have some 300 grain Scenars and some RL 25 on the way. These were the first few rounds fired. I really think with some development, 1/2moa is a reasonable goal.

I have to get myself used to developing loads at longer ranges. Most all of my shooting has always been at 300 and in. Going to start doing most of my shooting at 500-600 so it doesnt seem like such a waste of powder with the 338.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MuleHunter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For the amount of money I would expect better than 1/2 moa. $4200 is a lot of money for only 1/2 moa. Have you noticed any poi shifts after multiple rounds?
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<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline">ONLY</span></span> 1/2 MOA!! While I understand the quest for more and more accuracy, the simple fact remains that most people who buy them won't be capable themselves of shooting a rifle that well. Also, what MORE of an accuracy guarantee do you want or need??? 3/8 MOA?? Again, 0.375" groups (give or take) is something that regardless of the guarantee...many if not most shooters won't be able to sustain even if the rifle is capable. Just something to think about...

Also, I agree that the $4,200 price point is high and that there are other options on the market that will get your more for less...it all comes down to what you want/need and your ultimate plans for the rifle at the end of the day. The design certainly has a lot of promise, particularly with the switch barrel/caliber design. Time will tell. I am interested to see more and more range reports from folks on the SRS...particularly with additional "non-standard" chamberings.
 
#8
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It is easy to get obsessive about accuracy....that is, after all, what we do right? But, the difference between .25 and .5 MOA is absolutely "lost" in field, for me anyway. I can not read the wind or even range to .25MOA accuracy......

When I am at the range, I still shoot for little bitty groups and I still try and smack them smilies and blast them little dots. But, the truth is, I would be the shooter of my dreams and consider myself a true marksman if I could shoot 1moa all the time in all conditions at all ranges........
 
#9
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Most of the rifles I have are capable of better than 3/8moa (vertical stringing of course, no matter how good you are with the wind there will always be a little left to right at long range) I was thinking the 'mil~spec' match chamber was possibly the weak link for really tiny groups that's why I wanted to see if any body has put there own chambered barrel on one and if it shot better than 3/8moa. Krieger barrels are good barrels but a lot of the rifles accuracy comes from chamber bore alignment. I am sold on the system I would just like to see some 'wow' groups from it before fully commiting, plus repeatability. GAP rifles are also gauraunteed 1/2 moa but I have seen Rob shoot .06" with his .243. Sometimes that last little bit of accuracy comes from the action too. I would like to see what the best this system has to offer is, if its still 3/8 and there is no poi shift then SOLD!
 
#10
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MuleHunter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Most of the rifles I have are capable of better than 3/8moa (vertical stringing of course, no matter how good you are with the wind there will always be a little left to right at long range)</div></div>

Please post some of YOUR rifles and targets so you can share the "WOW" with the rest of us.

Take care,Stan
 
#12
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You must be aware too of the magazine limitation with the SRS. You can make a wildcat out of any cartridge its designed for. 6mm/338LM, 22-308 etc. If you want to shoot a 30-06 based cartridge, its not going to happen. The short magazine will handle up to 7WSM or 6.5-284..but nothing longer. Or so my testing with my mags tells me. If you have other successful info I am all ears.
 
#13
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I was planning on a 7x300wsm shooting the 180 bergers through a 28" benchmark barrel. I am going to order the 300win mag bolt and magazine, should be plenty of room to seat them out a ways. Then a 338 improved throated for the 300vld (when they come out) for the switch barrel. According to DTA their mag length is 3.95"
 
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MuleHunter call and verify...but my understanding is the 300WM and the 338 share the same magazine. So that may ruin your plans. You may have to as I suspect have to use the 300WM bolt but the 308 magazine.
 
#16
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I will have to call. I currently use the single stack AI 300wm magazine with v~bull bottom metal and it works great. My loaded 7x300 rounds measure 3.150". A 3.95" mag may be an issue, plus the DTA mag is shaped different which may present a problem. I will call them tomorrow, thanks for the heads up.
 
#17
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MuleHunter,
The 338LM and 300Win use the same magazine. We have not tried any WSM cartridges from our mags so I can't say if they will fit or function.

As far our our chambers I was told by three different barrel makers that the reamers that we are using have provided the very best results and that they are the ones they like the best so.
 
#18
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dogtown</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Back on subject, Freedom Gunworks is apparently making SRS barrels in different calibers...

http://www.freedomgunworks.com/desert-ta...ns/prod_39.html</div></div>

While I'm glad someone is offering barrel kits for them, I've gotta say $1200 is REALLY pricey IMHO. The barrel extension from DTA is like $400 or $450 (still not exactly sure why as it looks more like a $150-$200 part to my uneducated eye, but Nick assures me their price is fair) so that's somewhere in the order of a $750+ chambered barrel.
 
#19
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Yeah and we know Pac-Nor can barrel the extension now thanks to BgBmBoo. Maybe he can post what his cost was for them to thread up a barrel on to an extension. I am going Pac-Nor make me up a 3 groove Super Match in 6.5x47L when I get ready for it.
 
#20
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sr90</div><div class="ubbcode-body">MuleHunter,
The 338LM and 300Win use the same magazine. We have not tried any WSM cartridges from our mags so I can't say if they will fit or function.

As far our our chambers I was told by three different barrel makers that the reamers that we are using have provided the very best results and that they are the ones they like the best so. </div></div>

Are you chambering in house or is krieger chambering your blanks?
 
#21
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Ratbert,
For our barrel extensions we use is much stronger steel than 4140 or 4340 steel and thus significantly more expensive, in addition the cost of ensuring 100% contact on all six lugs and having the barrel extensions work with any of our bolts that we ever produce takes a lot of work.

If we married the barrel extension to just one bolt it would be much easier but we garentee our barrel extensions will work with any DTA bolt or barrel and still establish proper headspace.

We chamber our barrels in-house of course.
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#22
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The shit is pricey, but the results I have gotten thus far (very early still) have been phenomenal. I put 50 rounds thru the 308 conversion saturday(breaking in) and got as good 5 shot groups as I have ever had, period. I am impressed early on. The things shoot well. Hope to get time to spend a whole day at the range this coming weekend and stretch it out.
 
#23
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sr90</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ratbert,
For our barrel extensions we use is much stronger steel than 4140 or 4340 steel and thus significantly more expensive, in addition the cost of ensuring 100% contact on all six lugs and having the barrel extensions work with any of our bolts that we ever produce takes a lot of work.

If we married the barrel extension to just one bolt it would be much easier but we garentee our barrel extensions will work with any DTA bolt or barrel and still establish proper headspace.

We chamber our barrels in-house of course.
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Hey, my uneducated eye bought one didn't it?
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#25
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Chiller you can have Pac-Nor make you one like I am going to do since BgBmBoo already provided them the barrel drawing from DTA they know the dimensions for the barrel. I am thinking a 28" 3 groove Super Match like a guy I knows silouette gun will be very nice in the DTA and still be the length of the 338 barrel with a brake.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dogtown</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hell, I want a .375/408 barrel for mine
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Me too!!!
 
#30
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That's debateable. It's not THAT big of a step up from .338LM. Of course, moving up to .50BMG would require a much larger chassis.
 
#31
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hmmm 50 bmg, 375/408 and 338 Lapua all in one platform would be pretty interesting.. get your self a few Larue QD mounts from the AR guys and your all set with optics
 
#33
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50's are bad ass, but seem extreme. Given the differences in capability, versus the difference in practicality of the 2 rifles, 338LM seems a much better "compromise".

If I truly wanted LR anti vehicle capability, then I could see it. But man, they are big bastards. to each his own, though.
 
#34
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Guys, we do not know if it is safe to load the 408 Cheytac in our SRS, our biggest concern is the restricted barrel diameter to allow mounting in the SRS, we have ordered a handful of 375/408's for R&D in our existing receivers. Unfortunately even it it turns out to be okay then the cheytac rounds will have to be a single shot option as our magazine well is too short to accept the long Cheytac rounds inside a magazine.
 
#35
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For the guys who have the need for the ballistics of the 408, I imagine the compactness that the bull pup offers would be intriguing. Is it a down the road possibility that a larger chassis could be produced to accommodate the 408?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sr90</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Guys, we do not know if it is safe to load the 408 Cheytac in our SRS, our biggest concern is the restricted barrel diameter to allow mounting in the SRS, we have ordered a handful of 375/408's for R&D in our existing receivers. Unfortunately even it it turns out to be okay then the cheytac rounds will have to be a single shot option as our magazine well is too short to accept the long Cheytac rounds inside a magazine.



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Let's see? If I could have a 243, 300, 308, 338, and a 375/408 all on one platform I think I could easily accept the fact that the 375/408 would be a single shot!!!
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If it does end up working you can put me down for a 375/408 conversion since I all ready have one of your rifles in 243 and 338.
 
#38
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Never wanted to go bigger than 338, but if they get a single conversion for the 375/408...gotta have one just to complete the set even if it is s single shot.

Hey we need to develop some kind of shell holder for these things maybe the off side quick disconnet swivel could be uses or the picatinny rail.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gol1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think that 50 cal will be an ideal cartridge on the SRS
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Even though it is in no way going to fit?
 
#41
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chiller</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Be careful or Later will float in wanting a 20mm.</div></div>

I would think he would disdain the SRS even with a Vulcan option just because it COULD be used as a 308...
 
#44
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Would someone who has the 338lm mind telling me what the bolt diameter is, and snapping a photo of the bolt face and side profile? I am trying to see if the boltface could be opened up to accept the Cheytac (338 Snipetac or Big Bear) and still have room for an external extractor. I was thinking of machining an aluminum follower to fit in the magwell and having a single shot Cheytac.
 
#47
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sr90</div><div class="ubbcode-body">MuleHunter,
The 338LM and 300Win use the same magazine. We have not tried any WSM cartridges from our mags so I can't say if they will fit or function.

As far our our chambers I was told by three different barrel makers that the reamers that we are using have provided the very best results and that they are the ones they like the best so. </div></div>

Do you have any plans to do a magazine and barrel conversion in WSM or SAUM?
 
#48
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Sorry to resurrect an old thread but i have an update!

Talked to a guy that has chambered one in 7WSM. 3/8 to 1/2moa accuracy. He uses the 300win mag bolt and the 300win/338Lap Magazine. Over the phone he fed and extracted 5 7WSM rounds smoothly for me to listen to and drool over.

I will be ordering mine this week! i am going to chamber it in 6.5WSM, shooting the 140JLK's. Picks and review coming soon
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