So I'm finishing an AR-10 build in 308. I'm running a 20" barrel and trying to pick out an optic. I think I've pretty much narrowed it down to these. Though I'm always open for suggestions. My target budget is $1000 -$1200 with my military discount.
You couldn’t give me a Burris or Steiner, they’re junk. Just read some of the reports on them.
I also wouldn’t even consider the PST, they don’t have a solid track record either.
The PR1 reticle sucks for a DMR rifle. You can barely tell the .2 from the 1 mil hash marks on the vertical even on max magnification, it only has reference numbers every 5 mils, and no tree for wind. Supposedly the PR2 is coming in that optic and with that reticle or the T3 it would make a good choice. I’ve had a few MK5 T3’s on DMR rifles and they’re excellent for that role.
The NX8 wouldn’t be a bad choice but the DOF isn’t great in that line which is why I’ll probably never own one. It’s the nature of the beast with high optic designs like that.
The ten mile is a LONG optic but otherwise they’re good and they have a decent tree reticle.
You might also want to look at the Bushnell DMR3, they’re solid scopes with a great feature set for DMR use and Japanese built. The new Leupold MK4HD might be worth considering but they just released and who knows when they’ll hit shelves. I rolled the dice with the MK5HD right off of the release and had no regrets and I’d totally do it again with the MK4HD.
Far from Junk. I own three T6xi’s. They got them right. The only problem if it bothers some they have is a soft (not easy) turret feel, same as Trijicons I own.
OP, all of them listed are good optics. I would say the PST ii is towards the bottom far as reliability, and the nx8 has a tight eye box I didn’t like. The rest of them just weight out your options of what you like and want from it by size, weight, turret style and mechanics, glass, fov, reticles, etc…. Pick the one that fits your criteria the most and go with it.
Sorry but you’re not going to convince be that they’re solid optics.
Go look up the other optics you praised, plenty of them have shit the bed. I’ve picked up on here from your post you have a for fact correct minded opinion. So changing your mind wasn’t the point of my post. Enjoy your optic of choice
Luepy has just announced the MK4 HD line, while they are 4x erectors, the 4.5-18 looks like a pretty solid choice. For a DMR, the 2.5-15 range is attractive. If you can live with SFP, the Credo 2.5-15 is a solid scope. The Toric illuminated 2.5-15 FFP scope, while no lightweight, would be attractive as well, they do offer Mil pricing and it is a substantial savings.So I'm finishing an AR-10 build in 308. I'm running a 20" barrel and trying to pick out an optic. I think I've pretty much narrowed it down to these. Though I'm always open for suggestions. My target budget is $1000 -$1200 with my military discount.
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I will agree on Steiner /Burris being turds of the first order.
As far as your list of prospects in regards to your budget, I'm a little confused. I doubt you can get a NX8 for $1200 with a MIL discount. Same goes for a Mk5 with a Horus reticle or even the PR-1. The PST is way under your budget. If you could stretch your budget a little, I would recommend a 4-16x42 ATACR in reticle of your choice. They come and go on the PX pretty often for $2Kish. Nightforce has a MIL program but kinda stingy. Eurooptic is often cheaper with MIL. I bought a couple demo Nightforces from Eurooptic and they were perfect.
The 4-16x42 is THE quintessential large-frame gas gun optic for a reason.
It's just a little north of that but close enough if it's worth it. $1000 -n$1200 is a target. My limit is $1500Yeah they're not happening for $1200. I haven't looked on EV yet this year to see if there was any price increases but the cheapest NX8 configuration was a few hundred over that last time I checked. No idea on Leupolds mil pricing though, I don't get that and I'm pretty sure that's direct, if it's on EV I don't have access to it. I can't imagine it being $1200 though.
I’m on the other side, I’ve had a few lupy’s fail, mostly sucked tracking. They lost my faith many years back. They never lost zero though without a major reason I give them that. That doesn’t include the mk5hd as I’ve not personally owned one, only used on others. I owned and still own Elites. Those were my favorite hunting optics. Never owned a Burris/Steiner product that I remember, until the T6xi when they were first released and have ran mine hard shooting from my gas guns. No issues. To each there own.Anything can fail and I've had quite a few optics fail and I'll be the first to tell you about any of them. I'm not sure what you're referring to that I praised, but I'd assume it's the MK5's and Bushnell DMR's. Considering that my track record for reliability on 8 samples of MK5's and at least 10 samples of Bushnell elites has been flawless and I've sent back both Steiners I've ever owned for failures I think it's pretty reasonable to feel the way I do about them. I'm not a biased person and I'll give companies chances after being burned, but when the first time I put my hands on a new model and it such an obvious defect right out of the box that tells me that it's still a piece of shit.
He is full of shit, no other way to put it.Redneckbmxer24 is pretty opinionated and my experience differs from his pretty regularly.